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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Johnny Mac on February 03, 2013, 07:09:45 AM
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http://www.uaudio.com/uad-plug-ins/uad-2-satellite.html (http://www.uaudio.com/uad-plug-ins/uad-2-satellite.html)
http://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/universal-audio-uad-2-satellite-quad-custom-firewire-dsp-acelerator--102038 (http://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/universal-audio-uad-2-satellite-quad-custom-firewire-dsp-acelerator--102038)
Drool!
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Just shot straight over my head, Johnny, but I'm sure it's good stuff.... whatever it's for. :?
Must be, judging by the price!
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It does excellent toasted cheese sandwiches while you're fixating over the nuances of a mix, Philly...
Have to admit, Johnny, if I was recording on a PC (and I might do yet one day), then I'd probably be drooling too.
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Philly, I believe it's supposed to be the "Axe FX" of rack studio gear.
Where the Axe FX emulates Amps, this thing emulates analogue rack-mount studio gear. Compressors, tape delays etc.
Someone correct me if I totally got that wrong, though, hah!
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Someone correct me if I totally got that wrong, though, hah!
Thanks, sounds plausible enough to me! :lol:
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Hi Johnny, they are really good, I have the UAD2 Duo (which replaced a pair of UAD1's). The sounds are spot on for the gear they model.
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Hi Johnny, they are really good, I have the UAD2 Duo (which replaced a pair of UAD1's). The sounds are spot on for the gear they model.
Are they the the cards that slot into the mother board on mega expensive Macs?
I've heard great things about them. I didn't realise they had a FireWire unit until yesterday. I drool :lol:
In the last few years I've been quite obsessive about a clean compressed funky guitar tone. I've recently found out that a lot of those tones were achieved by plugging directly into a UN 1176 LN limiting amplifier. Nice. 8) That unit alone is the same price of the huge amount of emulations in that FireWire unit and its made by UA.
So along with the mic I want, I'm looking at a lot of money.
Philly this stuff is amazing! :D
What's your opinion of this gear MDV?
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It does excellent toasted cheese sandwiches while you're fixating over the nuances of a mix, Philly...
Have to admit, Johnny, if I was recording on a PC (and I might do yet one day), then I'd probably be drooling too.
On a Mac Andy, with Logic 9. I spent most of Christmas and new year with my head in there. It's still blows me away and I've had it nearly 3 years! :)
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Philly, I believe it's supposed to be the "Axe FX" of rack studio gear.
Where the Axe FX emulates Amps, this thing emulates analogue rack-mount studio gear. Compressors, tape delays etc.
Someone correct me if I totally got that wrong, though, hah!
That's it! This thing is made by Universal Audio who made the original analogue units to very high standards. You get what you pay for. My life is incomplete without it ;) :lol:
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I love my UA plugins, tho these days I am pretty much only using the Pultec EQ and UA comps. I was using their reverbs a lot, but have been using REVenenace in Cubase 6 of late. The other vintage style plugins I really enjoy using are from Waves and the SonicToys Devil Loc. :)
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Nice! Well I have to say, being out of the technological loop (I've made a point of it due to bad spending habits) I'd not heard of this before... but now I have. And my GAS is worse for the experience.
KHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!! :x
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These hardware plugins have their own CPU. So they don't tax your Mac or PC's one. I've got hardware DSP on my audio interface but if you use it, it stays printed on your track and you don't have the option to adjust or remove it afterwards.
Oh the GAS!
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Oh god, everytime I heard about these I get such gas. If they would not be so darn expensive (still worth it though imho).
I like the Yamaha Rev-X Reverb I currently use and the comps I got can be worked with too, but to have this....oh my god.
Though of course I would need fittingly good mics, and preamps and....well there goes 100k easy.
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It got me dreaming for a bit, but not long :lol:
I still do everything on a BOSS BR1600. The only only outboard gear I use are the mics, a Vox Tonelab LE for guitar amps, a Line6 POD XTLive for bass amps, and a yahama desk to channel all the stereo stuff (Tonelab, XTlive, and all the keyboards) into the BR1600.
The BR1600 has all the mic preamps, effects, and drum programming on board.
It is kind of restrictive at times - but, for what I want to create, I seem to work a lot better within those restrictions. The biggest issues I have at the moment are space and getting a decent room sound when recording acoustics. So, I'm kind of free of GAS for stuff like this at the moment.
I might move back to PC recording one day. I downloaded the free version of Presonius Studio One a while back, and that felt quite homely and seemed to fit my workflow when I tinkered with it - I almost bought the full blown "super diva" (or wotever it's called :lol:) version there and then. But the last time I was using PC for recording, I never actually got any music finished that I liked. There's just too many options for me, and technical restrictions that need money throwing at them to get fixed.
On the standalone BR1600, it has restrictions, but they always have work-rounds that produce results. With a standalone solution, I seem to make and finish music (which is hard enough to get done anyway!!). On a PC I was always fiddling about.
Put it this way, if I was working on a PC, I'd be going through the same stuff as you guys now!! (Oh wow, gotta have me one of they, oh better upgrade the mics now, actually, could do with a better PC, etc, etc :lol:)
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Every 2 years I do a modest upgrade to my PC system, just to make sure I have enough juice to run the latest DAW and plugins as well as passibly play MMOs. :)
Surprisingly, the newer DAWs and anything running VST3 (granted, there are very few VST plugins right now), use a lot less CPU power than their forebears.
That being said, assuming that the UAD will simply handle the entire CPU load is not necessarily on point; it will carry the brunt of it, but UA plugins run at an embarrassingly high sample rate and you run out of onboard CPU quite quickly!
I have found that the best way around this is to group, group, group instruments together and then add effects as a whole.
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Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
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Good points taken on board. Another look at the UA site, the plugins are offered in bundles. Have you seen the fecking price of them? Jeez I thought they would chuck in the lot for £1100. Surely they would make more sales if they did! I think they understand just how the GAS gets mugs like me worked up!
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I think they understand just how the GAS gets mugs like me worked up!
It's a good job this stuff is so incomprehensible to me, because otherwise I am undoubtedly the kind of GAS-fired mug they're looking for!
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Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
+1 I agree with that 100%
you are better off investing in an ultra powerful PC, they are extremely powerful now and improving all the time.
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Word.
Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
+1 I agree with that 100%
you are better off investing in an ultra powerful PC, they are extremely powerful now and improving all the time.
I've got an ultra powerful iMac. Quad core i7 intel 2.8 ghz with 8g of ram it's over 2 years old but I spec'd it up high when I bought it.
So do you think I should just buy the UA software plugins?
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Well, what effects, specifically, are you looking for? There are so many good to great, free to inexpensive plugins out there that I would only get a UA plugin if it's precisely what you want. Some examples:
For analysis, dynamic range, and some EQ, I use open source plugins (MAnalyzer and MEQ are great)
For checking phase on my mixes, I use an open source plugin (I forget the name off the top of my head)
For tape saturation, I use an open source Plugin (Tesla SE)
For tape emulation, I use Waves Kramer Master Tape
For compression, I use the SoundToys DevilLoc or Waves Kramer Pi comps
For limiting, I use the Waves OneKnob brickwall limiter
For 90% of my EQ and reverb, I use Cubase's plugins; I also use Cubase's soft synths 90% of the time
What I use my UA for: Pultec EQs, pretty much. And that is only for flavour/colour, not for correction.
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Word.
Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
+1 I agree with that 100%
you are better off investing in an ultra powerful PC, they are extremely powerful now and improving all the time.
I've got an ultra powerful iMac. Quad core i7 intel 2.8 ghz with 8g of ram it's over 2 years old but I spec'd it up high when I bought it.
So do you think I should just buy the UA software plugins?
You would be very hard pressed to max that out.
I have an i7 (edit: 920, so not even a very powerful one by modern standards) and 6Gb. Never really approached the 6gb, maxed out the i7 once or twice...and there are always ways and means around it. And it was in some seriously heavy (computationally, not musically) projects; not normal day to day recording by any stretch.
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Word.
Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
+1 I agree with that 100%
you are better off investing in an ultra powerful PC, they are extremely powerful now and improving all the time.
I've got an ultra powerful iMac. Quad core i7 intel 2.8 ghz with 8g of ram it's over 2 years old but I spec'd it up high when I bought it.
So do you think I should just buy the UA software plugins?
if you think it's worth it get it, if not then don't simple as that. Can you visualise how it would improve your mixes and music? If there is no negative points at all and you can afford it why not
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Word.
Stuff like this hit the scene when a PC would be crippled by the DSP required.
Now, not so much.
It maintains interest and business by the hardware basically being dongles for the excellent plugs. But theres enough out there in 'normal' VSTs thats more than good enough that its not really worth worrying about.
imo.
The plugs are good, and if you get it, let it be for that reason, and fair play to you. But the hardware element is pretty much redundant on modern machines; they're more than powerful enough.
+1 I agree with that 100%
you are better off investing in an ultra powerful PC, they are extremely powerful now and improving all the time.
I've got an ultra powerful iMac. Quad core i7 intel 2.8 ghz with 8g of ram it's over 2 years old but I spec'd it up high when I bought it.
So do you think I should just buy the UA software plugins?
if you think it's worth it get it, if not then don't simple as that. Can you visualise how it would improve your mixes and music? If there is no negative points at all and you can afford it why not
If the software plugins are the same as the hardware ones, which thinking about it are really software but with their own processors then I'll get the software ones I want.
Some of the compressors, EQ, reverbs. I do use the Apple ones supplied with Logic and they're quite nice but I'm using combos of those, I don't always get what I hear in my head. I can't say for sure that these plugs will achieve that but, they will, I'm sure have charecters of their own.
I have got a lot of NI soft synth sounds and they're are verbs, compressors that come in Komplete. They do seem gimmicky and extreme in their effect rather than subtle and useful.
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This subject again!
I was thumbing through the manual of my Motu 828mk3 and it has an emulation of the Teletronix LA-2A limiting amplifier which was the 60's version of the UA limiting amplifier i was gassing over back in the winter (that we're still in). I just thought it was a built in DSP limiter I didnt realise it was an emulation of something cool like this. 8) I shall have to give it a good workout.
Can I tap some brains here with the recording enthusiasts please. I cant for the life of me seem to figure out how to route my audio signal though my Motu DSP effects for the the bounce or mixdown. The Motu effects are so nice compared to the Apple plugs. I can use them on imputs like mics and guitars coming in to the unit but anything soft synth doesn't go through there so I'm stuck a bit. I've read the manual over again and I'm drawing a blank. I'm not too bad on this stuff normally, well not bad for a truck driver at least. Do any of you super clued up forumites know? I'm hosting in Logic 9
Here's the manual. The bit I've been reading is on page 71
http://cdn-data.motu.com/manuals/firewire-usb-audio/828mk3_User_Guide_Mac.pdf (http://cdn-data.motu.com/manuals/firewire-usb-audio/828mk3_User_Guide_Mac.pdf)
I'll buy you beer and curry if you can help! :lol:
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You have to tell Logic that the MOTU will be your ASIO driver.
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You have to tell Logic that the MOTU will be your ASIO driver.
It's CoreAudio on a Mac I'm using which I think does the same job as ASIO.
I'm using the right driver or the Motu unit wouldn't be doing anything.
I'm trying to get a mix from Logic to route out to the Motu unit, pickup it's DSP effects and go back to Logic so when I bounce all the tracks, I get the Motu units effects. They blow the Apple plugs away on verbs, compression & EQ.
At the moment, cos I can't get over this problem, I'm restricted to only using them on inputs.
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Hi Johnny,
I think you need to make your output the pair that you want the effects to go through and set up the return to the same pair. That way the signal will just go through the MOTU & back to the computer. Check Page 7
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Hi Johnny,
I think you need to make your output the pair that you want the effects to go through and set up the return to the same pair. That way the signal will just go through the MOTU & back to the computer. Check Page 7
Ok thanks Phil, I'll have a go at that. :D
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Still can't get it to work. I've found some threads on other forums regarding I/0 plugins in a channel strip. I tried that but my brain hurts from too much Guinness last night and I needed a hair of the dog.