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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 03:21:10 PM

Title: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 03:21:10 PM
Well, not that old!  :lol:

I wasn't planning on buying a guitar, but then this came up for sale and I'm weak.  My PRS Signature Limited wasn't selling, so I traded it in today for another 2006 Brazilian Rosewood Modern Eagle - with a trem this time.  I wasn't going to buy another ME unless my Holy Grail of one in Emerald Green appeared in the UK, but it appears that not a single example ever made it here.  This one will have to do as a substitute  ;)

May I introduce "Norma Jeane".  Not a bad looker it has to be said...

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/Guitar%20stuff/20130207_143550_zps89fefdca.jpg)

As a colour comparison, here she is with "Billie Jean" who I've owned from new.  Quite a difference in colour!

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/Guitar%20stuff/20130207_143412_zps1d2acd5c.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Andrew W on February 07, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Very pretty indeed. Beautiful guitar. Her sister's not bad looking either. :)
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: gwEm on February 07, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
can I be nerdy and request shots of the back of the guitars - to show off the lovely wood :)

great top on the new one by the way, its just right.. a little bit of green in there maybe, looks like a mountain water pool. congrats!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
can I be nerdy and request shots of the back of the guitars - to show off the lovely wood :)

You can be as nerdy as you want, matey!

Here are the backs and necks...

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/Guitar%20stuff/20130207_154530_zps83c01009.jpg)

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/Guitar%20stuff/20130207_154608_zps795df9db.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: gwEm on February 07, 2013, 04:17:11 PM
absolutely gorgeous mate! definitely as nice as the fronts, in their own way. i'd love a rosewood necked guitar, was impressed when I tried yours
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 04:25:37 PM
These two are better than the one you tried, but to be fair that one was pretty decent  ;)

They're a different beast, especially with the stock pickups.  Like a Tele on steroids...
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: AndyR on February 07, 2013, 05:42:53 PM
I knew we'd get a TF-NGD :lol:

But sound reasoning, very sound :D

Looks FAB, I actually prefer the look of these to the ones in your avatar (scrummy as they are). And, I have to admit, the colour of this one just shades the blue one for me... In fact, my advice, if it didn't have a trem, would be "bin that old one - looks tat beside it..." :lol: :wink:

So how do they compare playing?
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 05:58:16 PM
The neck on the trem is a touch rougher, unlike the stoptail which is like silk.  The stoptail's neck feels a touch larger too.  I need to do a setup tweak on the trem as the action is a bit too low for me, and the bridge isn't floating as I like.  I'll sort that out in a bit, won't take long to do.

Tonally, the trem is a touch more open and bright although it does have fresh strings.  Very similar ballpark though, not a huge amount in it, which is good as I like the tone of the stoptail!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: dave_mc on February 07, 2013, 06:54:45 PM
ooo very nice :)

are they meant to be the same colour? that's sorta what your post implied but i might just have read it wrong (which is fairly likely since the first time i read it i thought you said this one was emerald green :oops: :lol: )
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Telerocker on February 07, 2013, 06:57:13 PM
That's a fantastic top with a heavenly colour. Sort of jealous....  :)
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
Yep, they're both Faded Blue Jean but the trem model has faded a bit, plus the maple is a bit yellower giving it a green tinge.

It's gorgeous in the flesh...
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: d1dsj on February 07, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
Very very nice Dave, looks like you have a natural progression of colours..... Forrest Green Sig, faded FBJ ME trem, FBJME ST, Collection, blue Sig..... Wow.  :? did I miss any??????  :lol:
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Ian Price on February 07, 2013, 09:18:22 PM
Nice one Dave - the original ME is still my favourite guitar of yours though!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
The original ME is a cracker, and the tone is more Fender-like so it's right up your street.  I love playing all of my PRS guitars, and I've got to the point where I don't really have an overall favourite any more - just a favourite for that day/mood.  I'm grateful that I'm fortunate to be able to have them.  They're like my kids now, I don't think I could bear to see any go!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 07, 2013, 09:35:06 PM
Very very nice Dave, looks like you have a natural progression of colours..... Forrest Green Sig, faded FBJ ME trem, FBJME ST, Collection, blue Sig..... Wow.  :? did I miss any??????  :lol:

It's Rainforest mate, and you missed the Smoked McCarty Burst singlecut  ;)

You'll have to bob up for a test drive sometime with your fine ME example!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: 38thBeatle on February 07, 2013, 09:35:51 PM
Dave and a NGD thread=all is how it should be and the world is in good shape. Lovely planks Dave.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: d1dsj on February 07, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Oh Rainforrest... dohhhhhhh

Yes mate, will definitely have to get up there with my own to check'em all out!
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: juansolo on February 07, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
Looks lovely!

...and...


I'm completely and utterly done with buying gear.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Philly Q on February 08, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
This is one of those pesky threads where I couldn't see the pictures in work, so I had to be patient....

Nice, very nice!  :D

It's fascinating how different the colours are.  Rather like faded blue jeans, in fact.


I love playing all of my PRS guitars, and I've got to the point where I don't really have an overall favourite any more - just a favourite for that day/mood.  I'm grateful that I'm fortunate to be able to have them.  They're like my kids now, I don't think I could bear to see any go!

That's an interesting point.  I think there are certain guitars, or certain models of guitars, which just feel completely "right" and you can't imagine ever getting rid of them.  Whereas others just come and go.... and often you know, deep down, which category a guitar falls into even in the excitement of having just bought it.  Maybe those feelings change over time though, I don't know.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 08, 2013, 07:45:01 AM
I'm completely and utterly done with buying gear.

:lol:

I tried, I really really did.  I wanted to stop, and had the Signature Limited sold I wouldn't have bought another.  Nothing of any value is selling right now though, so I may as well have the cash stored in something that's better for me.

This is one of those pesky threads where I couldn't see the pictures in work, so I had to be patient....

Nice, very nice!  :D

It's fascinating how different the colours are.  Rather like faded blue jeans, in fact.

They're all unique, much like the old 'bursts...

I love playing all of my PRS guitars, and I've got to the point where I don't really have an overall favourite any more - just a favourite for that day/mood.  I'm grateful that I'm fortunate to be able to have them.  They're like my kids now, I don't think I could bear to see any go!

That's an interesting point.  I think there are certain guitars, or certain models of guitars, which just feel completely "right" and you can't imagine ever getting rid of them.  Whereas others just come and go.... and often you know, deep down, which category a guitar falls into even in the excitement of having just bought it.  Maybe those feelings change over time though, I don't know.

Some of mine over the years have been growers Phil, but the "right from the off" guitars seem to be the ones that have stuck around for me.  Mostly that's a PRS McCarty shape in a nitro finish - which are 5 of my 8 keepers.  As an aside, all bar one of my guitars are nitro finished so something in the feel really appeals to me.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Philly Q on February 08, 2013, 08:27:32 AM
Yeah, there is definitely much to be said for a nitro finish.  The debate about whether or not it affects tone has been done to death, but perhaps it's the way it actually feels that's the key.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 08, 2013, 09:02:16 AM
I think it is Phil.  I just prefer the feel of it, it just seems more natural in some way.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: dvorak on February 08, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
Utterly utterly stunning! Big congrats, that one is just perfect! Beautiful colour and a trem, that's a perfects ME.

So this is a secondhand then and not part of the NOS MEs?
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: blue on February 08, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Lovely guitar Dave.  I seem to recall saying that once or twice before :)  I've always loved your original ME, but the colour in that one is fantastic.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 08, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
Thanks Blue!

So this is a secondhand then and not part of the NOS MEs?

Correct - it's secondhand, bought here in the UK.  The NOS MEs released recently were only available in the US.  It's virtually impossible to get Brazilian Rosewood into (and even around) Europe now without a truckload of paperwork.  The only person who seems to be able to do it is Nick Huber, but I believe he's very organised with his mountains of documents.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Philly Q on February 08, 2013, 11:38:33 AM
Thanks Blue!

So this is a secondhand then and not part of the NOS MEs?

Correct - it's secondhand, bought here in the UK.  The NOS MEs released recently were only available in the US.  It's virtually impossible to get Brazilian Rosewood into (and even around) Europe now without a truckload of paperwork.  The only person who seems to be able to do it is Nick Huber, but I believe he's very organised with his mountains of documents.

Does Huber use Brazilian rosewood as standard?  I'm no expert, but I'd say mine looks like it's pretty bog-standard Indian rosewood.

(Edit:  I just looked at the Krauster specs on the website, it is Indian, ignore the question!  He must only use Brazilian on expensive models.)
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: dvorak on February 08, 2013, 12:02:18 PM
Thanks Blue!

So this is a secondhand then and not part of the NOS MEs?

Correct - it's secondhand, bought here in the UK.  The NOS MEs released recently were only available in the US.  It's virtually impossible to get Brazilian Rosewood into (and even around) Europe now without a truckload of paperwork.  The only person who seems to be able to do it is Nick Huber, but I believe he's very organised with his mountains of documents.
Then I understood it correctly. Sweet guitar mate, absolutely stunning. But then, I'm a sucker for PRS guitars. :) What pups are in it 53/10?

Just some speculation: It might be that PRS didn't have the correct documents since they were produced several years ago, and it's not possible or worth it to recertify.  They could possibly do it again with new materials if Huber can, at least in limited quantities.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: dave_mc on February 08, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
Yep, they're both Faded Blue Jean but the trem model has faded a bit, plus the maple is a bit yellower giving it a green tinge.

It's gorgeous in the flesh...

thanks :) wow that is a pretty big difference (from the pics, anyway, maybe not as obvious in real life). They both look really good, though :)

Yeah, there is definitely much to be said for a nitro finish.  The debate about whether or not it affects tone has been done to death, but perhaps it's the way it actually feels that's the key.

yeah that's what i'd say. i haven't done any scientific tests past "this poly guitar still sounds good", lol, but i have a tokai tele which has the poly finish, and while it's still a really nice guitar, it doesn't feel as nice under my fingers as my nitro tokai strat (or nitro edwards or sg).
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on February 08, 2013, 02:32:08 PM
That neck on Billie looks scrumptious.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Mr. Air on February 08, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
Super nice looking guitar, Dave. I have always wanted to try out a ME, but have never stumbled upon one.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 08, 2013, 02:57:09 PM
Phil - Huber uses Braz as an option on Orcas etc I believe.

dvorak - both have the stock pickups in, PRS "RPs".  Not everyone likes them, but I think they're great.  They're very much like BKP VHIIs.

dave_mc - the colour difference is just as obvious in real life!

Mr Air - if you're ever my way drop in for a test drive  :)

Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: dave_mc on February 09, 2013, 03:34:39 PM
dave_mc - the colour difference is just as obvious in real life!

haha wow. as i said, they do both look good though. Plus i guess if you have two of them a little difference in the colour is a good thing :D
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on February 09, 2013, 04:54:35 PM
incredible guitars, are there any audio recordings with it in we can hear? I have always wanted to hear what they sound like.
Title: Re: NGD: An oldie but goodie...
Post by: Twinfan on February 10, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
I haven't got any recording gear, but here are a few decent YouTube clips of MEs.  This first one gives a great idea of their tone, slightly honky in the mids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZGslFbbn24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZGslFbbn24)

A more general example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1JFNnZEV8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1JFNnZEV8)

Nice Santana style demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtbanwPqhQU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtbanwPqhQU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spCFlbHgqjg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spCFlbHgqjg)