Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Searcher on March 06, 2006, 01:46:53 AM
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I got my bits and pieces from Warmoth this weekend and went out and bought myself some paint. I should have the thing finished by the end of next week.
I assembled it a tiny bit today--just stuck the neck and bridge on it to make sure the hole all lined up where they're supposed to. Man, the neck on this thing is s-o-o-o well donoe. It's the smoothest neck ever. Shame they put smaller frets on it than I asked for. At least I think they did; it's kinda hard to tell for sure. Ah well. And the body has a couple of holes that it shouldn't, but the bridge covers one completely and the other one is in the control cavity. Plus there's a hole that goes from the neck pickup to the neck itself! I have no idea what they were trying to do there.
Overall I'm happy with it, though. And when my Warpig comes for the bridge I'll be sure to post a clip or two. :D
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1. Did you hire a photagrapher for the back drop. :lol:
2. What color paint?
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1. Did you hire a photagrapher for the back drop. :lol:
2. What color paint?
Heh. Nah, I have my own little studio in my basement. The paint will be this garish colour (I think I'll leave the back of the neck natural though):
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So far so good. I'm curious about the extra holes though, you should ask them what they hell they're for. I've been wanting to do a Warmoth for a while, and a few others on the forum have mentioned them as well, so keep us posted :D
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You are gonna have this finished (i.e. painted also) by end of week?
Is that wise?
Paint needs to be "shadowed", cured, coats, lacquer.
Please NOT trying to tell ya how to do it, and ya may have a booth etc. but when I was taught to paint it is a very laborious process to get VERY good.
Just wondering.
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Unless you're going for that EVH paint job. Then all you need is a couple cans of spray paint and 10 minutes of your time :wink:
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If thats the finish you want, yes def. correct.
Sorry, was'nt trying to be bolshy.
Just I was "taught" to spray paint (on cars) and am abit damn picky is all and would'nt do anything but a 110% job on a guitar if mine.
But spray paint and ventilation is fine. No problems there.
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I did some reading on that as well and it can be quite a process. Fillers for the grain, depending on the wood, and all the wet sanding. This site has a lot of info http://home.flash.net/~guitars/ But they don't ship their products out of the US. I think they've got a how to section on there. But if you want the products shipped to Canada they have to got to a border store since they're classed dangerous goods.
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Ahh, not so good then, kinda drag.
I just undercoat (this is in general btw, not talking specifics to the piece, i.e. guitar/car) times at least three with wet sanding next. Then "shadow", this is VERY light top coat. The high spots become more apparent doing this. Then sand, shadow etc. till uniform. Then topcoat times two, then mix any additive like flake or shell, then topcoat times three. Then FINE sand then lacquer etc. as required.
Thing is, I let the paint CURE for at least a day on every coat (more depending on weather) if not in a bake oven. And I don't put the lacquer on for about 5 days after paint allowing more cure time for paint.
Of course. Ovens make the process WAY easier, but I was taught (old school) with cellulose paint (not Two Pack etc.)
Paint can be funny thing and is VERY open to personal prefference, just like paint on a canvas aka Art ;)
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wicked man that looks so cool
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the hole from the neck cavity to the neck pickup route is the only way they can drill a hole between the two pickup cavities for the wire from the neck pickup. unless someone has invented a special bendy drill bit? :roll:
interesting looking axe by the way, i wouldn.t have thought of a strat neck on an sg, but it looks fine. good luck with the whole thing.
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What can go wrong with painting? why don't you just spray it? haha
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When I repainted my old strat I just sanded down the wood till it was all smooth etc (after stripping). I then added sanding sealer, and then sanded that flat, added another coat and sanded flat. Then added Halfords primer, 2 coats, 3 coats of Halfords Colour, then 3 ish coats of Halfords Lacquer. I'm planning on doing it again soon seeing as I dont really like the colour I did it :lol:
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I made assumptions to his set-up due to his "pro" looking photo backdrop :)
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Ok, you can all lay off me for the backdrop! :P :P :P But she looks so pretty there . . . :)
Err, right. I was gonna spray it with urethane paint, but I'm having second thoughts, due to my dodgy health already and urethanes being fairly toxic. So I will try to find some waterbased stuff. Apparently they have all kinds of options for spraying that they didn't used to have.
Dakine, thanks for the spraying tips! Actually, I have a bit of experience in spraying from when I used to be a signwriter. Unfortunately, I wasn't very good at it. Heh. But at least I know what I'm in for and I figure I'll get it right.
I'm pretty sure you don't shadow a guitar, because if you sand through the colour to the sealer, then it can make your finish patchy. I'm gonna go: 1 coat filler-->2 coats sealer/primer-->about 5 coats colour-->maybe 5 coats clear.
I can spray up to 3 coats per day if the weather doesn't suck too much. And I'll let it all cure for maybe one week or so before I polish and buff it. So it is possible to get it finished in two weeks, I guess. I don't know if I want to stick a guitar in an oven! That might be ok for cars, but guitars?
Bird, I'll check out that link for any tips, cheers!
Blue--ah, I didn't know that. Well, I knew about the drill bits, but didn't put 2 and 2 together. ;) I've never noticed that hole in any other guitar! I guess I can fill it with something, if I feel like it.
Cheers, guys. This is something I've wanted to do for ages! I did it for my second ever guitar, but I stuffed it up back then coz I had no clue what I was doing. But now I've got a few years more experience under my belt and I hope this one turns out as good as I imagined it would.
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Sweet guitar, Mark! What wood/s are you using? Pickups and all that jazz, too?
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Hey, Ian--no jazz pickups here! ;)
Specs, eh? Hmm. The body is one hunk of mahogany and it's thicker than a typical SG. I think it's about as thick as a Paul or Strat. But it's still very light, somehow. I have a contoured heel for the guitar so it will be a little easier to play.
The neck is also mahogany and has an ebony fretboard. So the woods are what SG guitars normally have. The neck has a CBS-sized headstock and the machine heads are Planet Waves locking tuners that clip the excess string lengths as you tune up. The frets are 6150 size, which is the second largest available. I should have probably gone for the biggest stuff though, for my tastes. The nut is graphite.
The bridge is a hard tail (obviously) by Schaller and is adjustable in width, so you can put in trem-spaced pickups one day and then change to Gibson-spaced pickups the next with no problems--if that's something you want to do. The best thing about this bridge is that it's flat! That means I don't have to tilt the neck back like PRS and Gibson do, which is cool, because I prefer the straight line of Strat necks and I'm used to them.
I have a stacked tone/volume pot so that there are less holes and knobs on my guitar. I don't like lots of switches and things. All the hardware is black, by the way. I have a 3-way toggle switch for the pickups. I thought about getting a 4- or 5-way, but, err, didn't. So there won't be many different sounds, but that's what having multiple guitars is for. ;)
For pickups, I have a Warpig coming--soon I hope!--for the bridge and another brand of P90 for the neck. A bunch of Warpig clips have been posted since I ordered mine and I'm happier than ever with my choice (it was that or a Nailbomb).
Anyways, I better go look for paint again to replace the urethane. If it comes to it I can order some from stewmac.com, but I'd prefer to get it locally if I can.
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Meant oven as generic term :) My Luthier has one for guitars, basically a heated spray booth where he can control the temp.
As for shadowing, well it just always helped me to find uneven areas but hopefully this is not needed. Think your idea for cure time is def. good though.
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Have you seen this site?
http://home.flash.net/~guitars/
Also, jfyi Ernie Ball uses polyester paints (as they are in Ultra Liberal La La Land with rules about EVERYTHING, especially airborne conatminants).
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Looks like it's gonna be one helluva guitar. The 70's Fender neck on an SG is so wrong it's bad wich means good.
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^yes!!!! someone else who uses the term 'bad' to mean good!!! _tom_ thinks im being an idiot when i go "oohhh thats baddddd" meaning its excellent... thank you ratrod!
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Searcher since we're both in Canada I'm curious to know how badly you got hit with duty and taxes.
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Looks cool dude, i'm not to keen on the headstock, but hey, you're the one playing it so it doesn't matter as far as i'm concerned, and good luck with it, be sure to keep us updated.
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Cheers for all the info Mark, looks like it's going to be a great guitar! You better keep us all updated! :wink:
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Searcher since we're both in Canada I'm curious to know how badly you got hit with duty and taxes.
I had to pay a brokerage fee of about $60. I'm not sure if that includes import duty or not. Yesterday my Warpig came in and I had to pay an extra $25 on that, too. :(
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consider yourself lucky dude!!!! my mate got a guitar from the U.S and it cost him an extra £100-£200 cause of shipping and tax!!!!!! :o
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That looks like it'll be an awesome guitar man! 8)
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This is my Warmoth strat that I put together last year. It's got a nailbomb in the bridge, Irish Tour single coil, and Miacle Man in the neck. It sounds awesome!
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This is my Warmoth strat that I put together last year. It's got a nailbomb in the bridge, Irish Tour single coil, and Miacle Man in the neck. It sounds awesome!
That clear pickguard certaintly looks different! I like it
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Searcher since we're both in Canada I'm curious to know how badly you got hit with duty and taxes.
I had to pay a brokerage fee of about $60. I'm not sure if that includes import duty or not. Yesterday my Warpig came in and I had to pay an extra $25 on that, too. :(
I got dinged for $60-80 with my Irish Tours last year, that sucked. Should be a killer axe. :twisted:
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Did you guys both order your BKP's from the U.K? I'm waiting on an American distributor to get his shipment and then I should be receiving a Bridge position Nailbomb shortly. Do you think the duty/taxes would be any different? I'm a fellow Canadian who lives in Edmonton BTW.
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Did you guys both order your BKP's from the U.K? I'm waiting on an American distributor to get his shipment and then I should be receiving a Bridge position Nailbomb shortly. Do you think the duty/taxes would be any different? I'm a fellow Canadian who lives in Edmonton BTW.
Not sure, to be honest. But it would probably depend on how the US dealer gets the pickup to you. Hope that he doesn't use UPS; they're evil. For regular USPS or anything other than UPS you'll probably get slightly lower import fees.
Oh, and yeah, I ordered my BKPs from the website.
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I order mine from the U.K.
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That neck with that body is very different! :lol:
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Well, so far this has been a nightmare! I don't have much in the way of spray gear, so I bought an electric gun on the recommendation of a salesgirl. And, man, didn't that suck. Even on the lowest setting it was like a fog machine for a stage production! Instant paint runs everywhere.
So I sanded that back.
Then I borrowed a small compressor from a friend. The problem was it was too small and ran out of air in seconds, then took a full 5 minutes to refill.
So that got sanded back.
Next, I found a decent compressor and gun. I had finished the primer coats and had done one coat of colour, when i had a small problem and wanted to patch it. So I went back to Home Depot and spoke to their paint expert:
"Will this fix the problem in my finish?"
"No, this is what you need."
"Ok. Will it work with water-based paints without wrecking my finish?"
"Oh, yeah, that's what it's made for!"
You can see below what this recommended repair stuff did to my finished headstock. Frikken git. I should go back to the shop and beat him with the CBS neck.
I returned a few things, demanded not only my money back but free paint stripper and free replacement paint for what I'd wasted.
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ermm.... ouch....
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That sucks
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I thought it looked pretty good! :lol:
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yer lol thats what i was thinking after a while... thats if your going for the battered, bleeding look.... which isnt what i would want for my new custom sg.....
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Just my 0.02cents, but you would be better off (maybe bit tedious but can be VERY useful again and GREAT tool to learn) getting a half decent airbrush for all that money/trouble.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAASCHE-MILLENNIUM-AIRBRUSH-SET-w-Quiet-AIR-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ8265965647QQcategoryZ28111QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
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Just my 0.02cents, but you would be better off (maybe bit tedious but can be VERY useful again and GREAT tool to learn) getting a half decent airbrush for all that money/trouble.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAASCHE-MILLENNIUM-AIRBRUSH-SET-w-Quiet-AIR-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ8265965647QQcategoryZ28111QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
I had one of those! Than someone stole it, can you believe.
So thanks, but I think I'm going alright now with a little gun and small-but-fast compressor. It just took me a few frustrating misses before I hit on something that worked for me. I have two coats of Iridescent Brite Yellow (http://www.autoaircolors.com/series_4300.htm#Iridescent%20Colors) on the body at the moment. I'll probably end up with four or five coats of colour and about the same of clear.
Since I had to strip the headstock back I figured I'd just finish the clear satin on the back of the neck and then go back to colour-coating the face of the headstock when that's done. It's probably a better way round to go at it anyways.
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I thought it looked pretty good! :lol:
:P
Relic it, you say? Stay away from my guitar!!!
Here's an update on the body front:
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oo that is pretty fit in yellow! - i think just the headstock reliced like the other pic, but like glossed over would look hot.
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Lookin' good 8)
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oo that is pretty fit in yellow! - i think just the headstock reliced like the other pic, but like glossed over would look hot.
I do aswell actually, it looks cool with the $%&#ed up paint