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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Dave Sloven on August 17, 2013, 03:28:20 AM
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We've had a best thrash pickup discussion which inexplicably broke down into some kind of argument about the BKP Aftermath vs EMGs, but I am wondering if people have an opinion on pickups for punk?
Punk is a very broad category, and I'm assuming that a lot of the vintage pickups might do the '77 style punk well, especially the Riff Raff among the humbuckers. Teles, Strats, and SG Juniors were also popular punk guitars so I'm wondering what pickups people like for that style (and later punk styles) in those guitars?
Personally I don't listen to pop punk or NYC hardcore so I will spare you any thoughts of mine on those, but if you have some go ahead.
My personal experience with BKPs with the punk genres that interest me has been excellent.
I won't comment on the Cold Sweat neck I have as I really got that to allow me to do other things like metal and I pretty much exclusively use the bridge pickup when playing punk stuff.
The alnico version of the Nailbomb would have to be one of the best pickups for UK82, '80s US hardcore, and related styles (e.g., Brazilian hardcore). It is also great for the punkish Sepultura type metal, as you'd expect from the name of the pickup, and 'crossover' like RDP, SOD, and DRI. It can play other styles too when set up right (and the volume backed off to 9 or so) but on full tilt it is perfect for these styles, even though most of those bands had shiteeeeety gear back in the day. It is the pickup those bands *wished* they had! In an SG these characteristics are especially evident.
The alnico version of the Warpig is a great pickup for crust punk (e.g., Doom, Amebix, Anti-Cimex), classic grindcore (e.g., old Napalm Death, old Terrorizer, Righteous Pigs, Unseen Terror), and the various bands that straddle the two genres and are sometimes called 'crust grind' - for example Extreme Noise Terror.
Again, I'm not saying that they sound like the gear that these bands actually used, which was often very cheap, but rather that when playing these songs with these pickups they are sonically taken to the next level and these pickups fit those genres perfectly.
I'm wondering what opinions people have on these.
I don't play metalcore, deathcore, etc ... again I think these are related to punk via NYC hardcore, which really has never been my thing ... and also a lot of Pantera, again not my thing ... but maybe people will say something about those, I imagine the Blackhawk, Aftermath, or Painkiller might be the pickup for those applications.
On other guitars, I'm thinking the Piledriver and Pig 90 seem ideal for crust punk and probably '80s hardcore
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I don't listen to punk rock or any non hardcore version of punk so no opinion on that, for an everything pickup the Nailbomb probably, and for grindcore/crust I would probably use the Warpig. What about mathcore? Painkiller or Aftermath?
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I would think mathcore would need something like that. Tight with aggressive mids. To be honest though although I think I have watched half of a Dillinger Escape Plan video I haven't bothered with much mathcore, so maybe others have opinions on it, but I would have thought the same two options you've pointed out.
I don't play any early punk either. With the Nailbomb if I play a Ramones riff it sounds like a hardcore band doing a Ramones cover, and I'm happy enough with that. I'm not really interested in getting that early punk sound; I just mentioned it in case people had something to contribute on that.
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For me punk is much more a dirty Telecaster sound, such as The Clash. I wouldn't associate real punk music with high output humbuckers. That might work for American modern "punk" bands, but IMO they completely miss the spirit, with the exception of bands like Bad Religion maybe.
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The punk i listen to is Bad Religion and The Misfits, so id say Alnico Nailbomb
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For me punk is much more a dirty Telecaster sound, such as The Clash. I wouldn't associate real punk music with high output humbuckers.
Well that's why I included Teles ... single coil guitars were popular with early punk and also some of the more black metal influenced (i.e., recent) crust bands (those Teles do tend to have high output pickups though) .... P90s are often heard in some of the surf and skate punk bands ...
Any Tele pickups you think would be especially suited to that early punk style?
There's definitely a difference between the early punk stuff and the hardcore stuff in terms of sound ... right from the NWOBHM and UK82 onwards metal and punk have been feeding off one another in terms of sound and to a lesser extent song structure and chord choices. If anyone is interested in '80s UK hardcore I would recommend the three '80s books by Ian Glasper, which go through most of the bands. To be honest though I haven't bought the '90s book he did, it doesn't really interest me. He was close to people in the late '80s scene; he was the bassist for Decadence Within.
http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/music/interviews-2/ian-glasper-trapped-in-a-scene-interview1/ (http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/music/interviews-2/ian-glasper-trapped-in-a-scene-interview1/)
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Original factory pickups. More cr@ppy better :)
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Original factory pickups. More cr@ppy better :)
LOL. I have some cr@ppy Mighty Mite Motherbuckers, really rare, can be yours for $300 plus postage
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Ian Glasper was also in Stampin' Ground. Officer Down is a BIG tune. He sent me a bunch of questions to answer for a magazine years ago about UK Hardcore. He's doing a new band now but I can't remember what it's called. He's close to people in the ongoing scene.
Talk of what is real and legit within punk and hardcore always makes me laugh.
Nailbomb is a good all rounder. Sounds good when split too if you want some more jangle.
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Nailbomb is a good all rounder. Sounds good when split too if you want some more jangle.
I've thought of putting a coil split on mine, and also a parallel/series switch. I wonder if I can wire up the one pickup to do both using push-push pots for both volume and tone (SGs have a three way toggle plus a volume and tone for each pickup)? I'll have to look into it. I'm thinking I can probably move the existing volume and tone pots over into my Explorer as they are very nice ones (Mojotone CTS), and add a push-push volume pot to the Warpig neck on that guitar to split the coils.
Yeah I always get a laugh out of people who claim this or that is legit, either in punk or metal. Actually I think this is one of the less positive things that the metal scene picked up from the hardcore scene in the early '80s.
On the positive side there was a LOT of cross-pollination between punk and metal in the '80s. I remember quite a few metal bands that were popular with the punks. Besides the first three Black Sabbath albums they were also very much into the early Celtic Frost, Sodom, and Destruction records. A lot of metalheads got into the early hardcore stuff too, especially the thrash bands (worldwide, not just Metallica etc).
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Yeah I always get a laugh out of people who claim this or that is legit, either in punk or metal. Actually I think this is one of the less positive things that the metal scene picked up from the hardcore scene in the early '80s.
Not so sure what you mean by that.
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It comes down to the interpretation of punk(sound). I guess you can play punk with any guitar and pickups. If you have a highgainamp you don't need a highoutput-pickup and vice versa. I've seen people playing punk with Gretsches.
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Yeah I always get a laugh out of people who claim this or that is legit, either in punk or metal. Actually I think this is one of the less positive things that the metal scene picked up from the hardcore scene in the early '80s.
Not so sure what you mean by that.
If you look at the thrash scene in metal that's where the whole obsession with metal 'cred' started. I tend to think it is something that was picked up via punk to some extent, but no scene has been obsessed with all of that so much as the anarcho-punk scene. There are so many songs complaining about 'scene police' in the '80s hardcore stuff. In metal I tend to think it has manifested itself in more nerdy ways, i.e., what demos you might have collected, what obscure 7" singles or first press LPs you have, etc. It tends to be worse in some places than in others, some sections of a scene more than others. It sort of went along with the development of the underground in both genres. It is something that a lot of people over 45 don't know much about, at least in metal, if they sort of were in it when they were young and then drifted away. I know people who were into the metal scene here in the early-mid '80s and have absolutely no clue about the underground scene, but then there are a lot of people slightly younger - say those who finished school in '85-'86 - who were heavily into it. I think Glasper picks up on this in the third of his books.
This is just my vague memories though. I was part of the slightly older group (I finished school in '84) and didn't catch on until a few years later, in the late '80s.
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Ah I see. I thought you were going to say people being judgmental was picked up from the hardcore scene, but it's all just human nature really to behave like that.
I've seen an interview with Scott Ian were he says Hardcore bands are Thrash bands that can't play. I mean, that's daft to me. The Mid 80's crossover stuff Cro-Mags, Leeway, Agnostic Front etc were doing was incredible. Although bands like Void, Bad Brains and Discharge has moved away from that 70's punk blueprint already by then. That whole record/demo/shirt collecting thing is a big part of hardcore now. It's regional and weird and hard to explain. It's pretty dumb some of it. I think it's an age thing too. nobody I know who is around 30 and over cares much about what people think. They've been involved long enough to know they have nothing to prove. Some people just grow older and priorities change. It's less frequent that I get excited by a hardcore band, but sometimes something really interests me. The band Red Hare from DC feat dudes from Swiz is a good example. Lets not forget the influence of Hip Hop in hardcore either because that is pretty huge. Also, bands like Burn (Burn are awesome) were doing wild stuff in 88. Anyway... I don't think punk rock needs to fit a particular sound or aesthetic to be legit.
I once read an Interview with Vinnie Stigma were I think he suggested Agnostic Front's sound changed over the years because of what equipment was available. the Marshall 2203/2204 came out in 75 and became the JCM800's in 80. the Split channel with the diode clipping appeared in 82. The SLO100 arrived in 87 I think. The 5150 didn't arrive until 92 and then the JCM900's popped up, possibly the Dual Rec... So there was a whole period of 'high gain' development over that era that had to filter down to products that would then become widely available. What is considered the first high output pickup and when did that arrive? I find it interesting to wonder just how much sound from gear shaped the songs people played using it when it first became available. I would be interesting to see some sort of timeline pairing gear with recording they were used on.
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Yeah, on the changing sound thing I was thinking about that today when I listened to Venom's 'Cast in Stone' for the first time in a couple of years. It was recorded in 1996 and I think the difference in sound between that and what they were doing in the 1980s largely reflected changes in amps - especially the availability of high gain amps - and other equipment as much as changes in production methods and playing style.
I quite like the '80s sounds so rather than 'updating' the sound I'd prefer to use more recent gear to perfect those sounds, if that makes sense. It seems to me that in the '90s a lot of bands were using the technologies to try out new sounds rather than hone their old sounds, which to them probably just seemed like they were due to the limitations of their equipment. I read an interview with Tom G. Warrior (Celtic Frost and now Triptykon) about his sound; he was using different equipment in the late '80s and '90s - most notably with his industrial band Apollyon Sun, which sounds very '90s now - but went back to his old Ibanez Iceman (one of the cheapies with the bolt-on neck) to recapture his classic sound when Celtic Frost reformed ten years ago. He definitely uses more recent amps and other equipment now but he went back to that guitar for its dark sound and is conscious of his 'signature sound' in a way that he wasn't after To Mega Therion. It's likely that he simply thought of that sound as what was possible at the time. I'm sure a lot of other older bands have been through the same process.
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The Nailbomb was mentioned multiple times, but I would rather say Rebell Yell, as it is somewhat of a underwound brighter nailbomb, giving you most the nailbomb goodness while being a bit more in the direction of early punk (Clash and such).
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I was wondering about the Rebel Yell set.
I have Cold Sweat & A-bomb combination in my SG, which are the two pickups apparently closest in many ways to the RY set, but it seems that the RY has a quite different character, tending in the more mellow and less abrasive direction away from hardcore etc, so I was thinking that might be a very good set. Quite a few of my friends here have been experimenting with combining glam rock with '80s street punk, and I imagine that set would be great for that and probably the '77 punk stuff.
I'm wondering though if people have used vintage pickups like the Riff Raff set. I imagine that might be perfect out of the vintage humbucker sets for punk, more so than the others.
If I find my way clear to ever afford another set of BKP humbuckers on top of what I already have the Rebel Yell and Riff Raff sets would be the most likely ones.
I'm wondering if any of the single-coil users here play in these styles and have any ideas?
Obvious ones to seem to me the Supermassive, Stockholm, Pig 90, and Piledriver. I don't know much about Strats but I'm guessing either the Trilogy suite or one of the following HSS sets:
Rebel Yell humbucker & 2 Slow Hand single coils
Nailbomb humbucker & 2 Irish Tour single coils
Miracle Man humbucker & 2 Trilogy Suite single coils (or perhaps MM/Sinner for grindcore?)
Like I said though I don't know much about Strats
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The RY is not something I would describe as mellow, but maybe compared to the NB it is, I can´t tell. As I have written in my review, it has a voicing which scream rock like no other I have ever heard.
The combination of wire and magnet and the way it is wounds makes for that certain modern take on a old school sound, allowing to bridge into both directions any time you want (can super easily be steered into either direction by adjusting height too) while always retaining that certain agressive but mostly super alive and rocking mid character having its peak in the upper mids.
For what your friends are doing I think the RY is absolutly the ticket.
I have it set to what I feel is more the metal side and pop punk is all over this things still. I think I could make it the punk pup with 1-1/2 screw turns max.
If you wanne go true vintage the RR seems like the best option, as all vintage BKPs it can go heavy as heck, probably heaviest of all the vintage.
Vintage / modern = RY
Vintage = RR
If you are talking P90s I would say the MQ / Nantucket are actually my front runners by far, again being a bit more classic in essence (like the RY) but delivering all the body and power you should need. Old school if you want it, new school if you want it too, all depending on the rest of your rig and how you set it.
Something like a SM, SH or Pig90 would in my mind be too fat, modern and agressive in that modern way for what I understand as the punk sound. While they can do modern or hardcore punk sounds with ease I feel the MQ / NT are better as they can deliver both.
Plus I personally would always pair the RY with the IT rather than the SH in at least 80% of the cases. The voicing fits much better. Put the SH with a HD or Crawler.
Nailbomb I would guess rather TS and the MM TS or Sinner in most cases.
Oh and on Teles I have no experience, but there seems to be a lot of choice there. The Piledriver is of course cool, it can do metal like an ace after all, but I would deffo also have a look at the Boss and the Blackguards, they both should be more than capable of doing that more old school flavour while having that lovely hidden power / potential.
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Cheers. I was definitely wondering about the Nantucket.
Although there is no way I could afford a vintage SG Junior '60s (the recent 'reissue' from a year or two ago) seems decent, even if the pots are in the wrong place and the fretboard a couple of other little things are different. Not sure how you would intonate one of those bridges though. I'd probably just install a Schaller bridge as the reissue is hardly vintage spec anyway.
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-Junior-60s.aspx (http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-Junior-60s.aspx)
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Electric_guitar,_non-trem_bridges/Schaller_Bridge_Tailpiece.html (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Electric_guitar,_non-trem_bridges/Schaller_Bridge_Tailpiece.html)
A Telecaster is the other guitar I really want, even if it is just a Squier 'Vintage Vibe' with the pine body, just to get a feel for it. I think I would have to be really picky about the neck though as I really don't like the baseball bat type of neck.
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Cheers. I was definitely wondering about the Nantucket.
Although there is no way I could afford a vintage SG Junior '60s (the recent 'reissue' from a year or two ago) seems decent, even if the pots are in the wrong place and the fretboard a couple of other little things are different. Not sure how you would intonate one of those bridges though. I'd probably just install a Schaller bridge as the reissue is hardly vintage spec anyway.
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-Junior-60s.aspx (http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-Junior-60s.aspx)
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Electric_guitar,_non-trem_bridges/Schaller_Bridge_Tailpiece.html (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Electric_guitar,_non-trem_bridges/Schaller_Bridge_Tailpiece.html)
A Telecaster is the other guitar I really want, even if it is just a Squier 'Vintage Vibe' with the pine body, just to get a feel for it. I think I would have to be really picky about the neck though as I really don't like the baseball bat type of neck.
I bought a Squier Classic Vibe Custom for my (talented) cousin. It's really a good guitar, nice neck and mature sound. Hard to beat at this price.
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I wonder how the Miracle Man would work for grindcore or black metal. No one ever seems to talk about these genres here or whenever BKP's are involved in a thread.
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The Miracle Man was discussed as an option for my Explorer for grindcore, but I eventually decided on an A-Pig. You can read that thread here but the Miracle Man was only discussed briefly.
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30213.0
I dare say it might depend on the guitar too. I think a Miracle Man would probably be great in my SG.
I don't know if it would be that great for black metal. It would certainly seem likely to be good for all kinds of old school death metal. The main reason why I went for the A-Pig over the other two options I was considering (C-Pig and Miracle Man) was that I also wanted to use it for doom, for which it seemed likely to have the edge. I also thought the A-Pig might be good for old death metal stuff like Autopsy. As I said above it's great for crust, at least in the Explorer. I'm considering coil splits though to enable a few more sounds.
The best black metal sounds I've heard have come from single coils. A Telecaster with Piledrivers would be the BKP I'd go for if I was planning on doing black metal.
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I found the Holy Diver to be a great black metal pup.
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I have yet to really try playing some black metal through my A-bomb. It handles Celtic Frost reasonably well with the right amp settings. I was thinking I might have a go at some Bathory today, maybe '13 Candles' ... I presume from your username that you are familiar with Bathory!
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Indeed I am. I got "Blood Fire Death" for Christmas when it came out lol.
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I didn't get it for Christmas but I had the first four albums before Hammerheart came out.
A lot of punk influence in the early stuff. It goes both ways too, you definitely hear the Bathory influence in a lot of crust, especially from Sweden
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Wow this is a pretty interesting topic! I just joined the forum since I'm think of getting a couple of BKP sets and this is gold. I play in a Punk HC band (think CBK, Have Heart, Gallows, American Nightmare) and a regular old school punk "band" which more of a joke between a couple of old friends. I play a thinline Tele with P90s, an SG and i recently got a second-hand LPC that came with some awful SD pickups from a guy named Gus G (they even look bad ahaha. So i'm hoping to switch the SG's pickups and the LP's. I don't know why but for punk-rock the Tele really does it, it has a couple of SDs that sound quite good even though they really lack some bottom end. The SG is a cheap guitar made by a uk based company called Vintage, that plays really well except for it's tuning issues. And the LPC is a japanese Edwards and it plays and resonates heavenly, would be perfect if it wasn't for those active duncans ahaha. I was thinking of getting a set of RYs for the SG (since it's the darkest and heaviest SG i ever played) and something like a Black Dog or a Emerald for the bridge of the LPC since i'm not huge in high output pickups (and for the neck i got a duncan Alnico II Pro laying around that i'm willing to give a shot).
What do you guys think? :shock:
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I suspect that the Rebel Yell set will work well in the SG. I have the Cold Sweat neck & A-bomb bridge combo working fine in my SG but as I stated above it has a very hardcore character, really bringing out the 'Nailbomb' character of the pickup (if you remember the band by that name, I'll put a link to the youtube clip of their 'Live at Dynamo' DVD below). As the Rebel Yell set is based on those two pickups I'd say that it would work well, and the changes to them for the RY set would seem to allow more range in the '77 or Pop Punk directions (as Kiichi indicates above) rather than the hardcore and thrash tendencies of my combo. You might also consider the C-Bomb, which is a bit less abrasive in the mids than the A-Bomb (this characteristic is compounded by the 'middiness' of the thin SG body).
For the LP I am wondering why you don't go for the Riff Raff? Those are vintage but the AC/DC sound has a strong resonance within punk, as I am sure you know. It will give you that edge that punk needs.
Also, if you get the Riff Raff set and the Rebel Yell set and don't like them, swap them between the guitars. The Riff Raff was designed for SGs and the Rebel Yell for Les Pauls, more or less, so they are a 'no brainer' set-up for each in many ways, as long as your RY is fairly dark. If your LP is a bit brighter the Riff Raffs would be good for that, having been designed for the SG, which is a brighter guitar in general.
I hear that the Edwards guitars are very good. Weren't they made by Fujigen, like the old MIJ Fenders?
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Wow this is a pretty interesting topic! I just joined the forum since I'm think of getting a couple of BKP sets and this is gold. I play in a Punk HC band (think CBK, Have Heart, Gallows, American Nightmare) and a regular old school punk "band" which more of a joke between a couple of old friends. I play a thinline Tele with P90s, an SG and i recently got a second-hand LPC that came with some awful SD pickups from a guy named Gus G (they even look bad ahaha. So i'm hoping to switch the SG's pickups and the LP's. I don't know why but for punk-rock the Tele really does it, it has a couple of SDs that sound quite good even though they really lack some bottom end. The SG is a cheap guitar made by a uk based company called Vintage, that plays really well except for it's tuning issues. And the LPC is a japanese Edwards and it plays and resonates heavenly, would be perfect if it wasn't for those active duncans ahaha. I was thinking of getting a set of RYs for the SG (since it's the darkest and heaviest SG i ever played) and something like a Black Dog or a Emerald for the bridge of the LPC since i'm not huge in high output pickups (and for the neck i got a duncan Alnico II Pro laying around that i'm willing to give a shot).
What do you guys think? :shock:
I like the RY, but I favour the Alnico Nailbomb over it. I do like a pushy pickup though. The Emerald is really nice. It's like a lower output RY. I'd say its a pickup that doesnt get mentioned enough. It was the first BKP I ever got. It'll do the Have Heart / AN stuff easily and gallows too, they aren't that heavy. I haven't heard CBK since their first ever UK tour, and that old record has a fairly ballsy tone that I'd use a hotter pup for, but you can always use a little boost if you want heavier. The Emerald will be tasteful.
If you have active electronics you'll have to swap the pots too, in case you weren't aware.
what amp are you using?
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I have to admit that I hadn't heard those bands before, but listening to the clips on youtube I'd say either an RY set or an A-bomb set in the SG couldn't go too far wrong.
You could also consider throwing a Supermassive in the bridge position of the Tele. That might be good for the CBK style. I think an A-bomb in the SG would handle the rest.
To give you an idea of what comes naturally to the A-bomb/SG combination, I'd say Ratos De Porao, The Exploited, Sepultura, and maybe the more recent poweviolence bands (if you need a more recent reference point!) like Weekend Nachos. It *can* be more subtle than that, but it has a very pronounced chainsaw-like low-mid sound. When I am playing darker music like Celtic Frost or Sabbath I have to either fiddle with the volume and tone knobs on the guitar or put an EQ between the guitar and the amp. You can of course change the sound with the amp EQ, but what I am getting at is that if you change from a Gibson 498T to an A-Bomb in an SG that's the direction you are heading in.
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For the LP I am wondering why you don't go for the Riff Raff? Those are vintage but the AC/DC sound has a strong resonance within punk, as I am sure you know. It will give you that edge that punk needs.
Also, if you get the Riff Raff set and the Rebel Yell set and don't like them, swap them between the guitars. The Riff Raff was designed for SGs and the Rebel Yell for Les Pauls, more or less, so they are a 'no brainer' set-up for each in many ways, as long as your RY is fairly dark. If your LP is a bit brighter the Riff Raffs would be good for that, having been designed for the SG, which is a brighter guitar in general.
I hear that the Edwards guitars are very good. Weren't they made by Fujigen, like the old MIJ Fenders?
Yeah I hadn't thought of the RR cause I was looking more at the "Vintage Hot" section. That actually might be a good idea. I'm not really sure if the LP is on the bright side or not because those pickups seems to mask the whole character of the guitar. And yes I think so, it's hands down the best guitar I ever owned aha.
I like the RY, but I favour the Alnico Nailbomb over it. I do like a pushy pickup though. The Emerald is really nice. It's like a lower output RY. I'd say its a pickup that doesnt get mentioned enough. It was the first BKP I ever got. It'll do the Have Heart / AN stuff easily and gallows too, they aren't that heavy. I haven't heard CBK since their first ever UK tour, and that old record has a fairly ballsy tone that I'd use a hotter pup for, but you can always use a little boost if you want heavier. The Emerald will be tasteful.
If you have active electronics you'll have to swap the pots too, in case you weren't aware.
what amp are you using?
I'm just afraid the Emerald might be too bright (or trebly). Yeah, playing hardcore I prefer lower gain tones to the standard LTD + EMG + Mesa setup. I'm using a Bugera XXX, that's a clone of a Peavey Triple X, but i've been looking into trying a jcm 800 or an orange dual terror, since i'm almost only using the bugera's crunch channel with the gain at about 1 o'clock (it has a lead channel with even more gain but it just sounds fizzy for what i play.) Yeah I have the previous electronics, 500k pots I think, the active system featured all the 4 pots + stereo jack etc.
I have to admit that I hadn't heard those bands before, but listening to the clips on youtube I'd say either an RY set or an A-bomb set in the SG couldn't go too far wrong.
You could also consider throwing a Supermassive in the bridge position of the Tele. That might be good for the CBK style. I think an A-bomb in the SG would handle the rest.
To give you an idea of what comes naturally to the A-bomb/SG combination, I'd say Ratos De Porao, The Exploited, Sepultura, and maybe the more recent poweviolence bands (if you need a more recent reference point!) like Weekend Nachos. It *can* be more subtle than that, but it has a very pronounced chainsaw-like low-mid sound. When I am playing darker music like Celtic Frost or Sabbath I have to either fiddle with the volume and tone knobs on the guitar or put an EQ between the guitar and the amp. You can of course change the sound with the amp EQ, but what I am getting at is that if you change from a Gibson 498T to an A-Bomb in an SG that's the direction you are heading in.
I've actually though about that when I read that the Subways custom ordered one but I think I'll miss the duncan's sound ahaha. Are you from Brazil? I'm from Portugal! I see what you mean, I think the A-bomb might be too heavy for me, but i'll check it!
Thanks guys!
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Are you from Brazil? I'm from Portugal! I see what you mean, I think the A-bomb might be too heavy for me, but i'll check it!
I'm from Australia but RDP are popular around the world! I don't understand the lyrics too much though. I can play Agressao/Repressao! :D I discovered them around the same time that I discovered Sepultura, 1989-1990. Other than them I don't know too many Brazilian bands; a couple of grindcore bands, Hutt and that silly pornogrind band Manduca Na Roça. You are lucky living in Portugal though as far as I am concerned; that means you are not too far from some of my favourite grindcore and death metal bands, Machetazo, Looking for an Answer, and Nashgul. I bought the A-pig for my Explorer in an attempt to get that Spanish grindcore sound!
If you think that the A-bomb might be too much I'd say go for the Rebel Yell. Or go for the C-Bomb, it has a lot of the same character as the A-Bomb but less aggressive low mids.
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I'm just afraid the Emerald might be too bright (or trebly). Yeah, playing hardcore I prefer lower gain tones to the standard LTD + EMG + Mesa setup. I'm using a Bugera XXX, that's a clone of a Peavey Triple X, but i've been looking into trying a jcm 800 or an orange dual terror, since i'm almost only using the bugera's crunch channel with the gain at about 1 o'clock (it has a lead channel with even more gain but it just sounds fizzy for what i play.) Yeah I have the previous electronics, 500k pots I think, the active system featured all the 4 pots + stereo jack etc.
Thanks guys!
Try replacing the tubes with EL34's/E34L's, my 6260 sounded way better when I put the JJ E34L tube set in, and replaced the v1 preamp tube with a Tung Sol.
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I'm from Australia but RDP are popular around the world! I don't understand the lyrics too much though. I can play Agressao/Repressao! :D I discovered them around the same time that I discovered Sepultura, 1989-1990. Other than them I don't know too many Brazilian bands; a couple of grindcore bands, Hutt and that silly pornogrind band Manduca Na Roça. You are lucky living in Portugal though as far as I am concerned; that means you are not too far from some of my favourite grindcore and death metal bands, Machetazo, Looking for an Answer, and Nashgul. I bought the A-pig for my Explorer in an attempt to get that Spanish grindcore sound!
If you think that the A-bomb might be too much I'd say go for the Rebel Yell. Or go for the C-Bomb, it has a lot of the same character as the A-Bomb but less aggressive low mids.
I only now a couple of those bands since im not really into grind, powerviolence, etc. But that's really cool, do you know any portuguese bands? Devil in me or For the glory, maybe? (not the best ones by far but definitely the most well know internationally) I think DIM toured with an australian band called Deez Nuts.
Thanks for the input on the pickups!
Try replacing the tubes with EL34's/E34L's, my 6260 sounded way better when I put the JJ E34L tube set in, and replaced the v1 preamp tube with a Tung Sol.
I play two of them. I got a combo at home with 6L6s and a head (that is owned by a friend of mine) at our rehearsal space that has EL34s. I also prefer the EL34's sound but since i'm not sure i want to keep it (at least as my main amp) i dont want to spend 200€ upgrading tubes. Hell if i was rich i'd just get a kemper, that thng is gold ahaha.
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I know For The Glory. I got one of their ep's years and years ago. There was a video on it and I think half those dudes had Terror shirts on in every cut. I think I have a Pointing Finger 7inch somewhere too, and I have the Black Friday 29/What Went Wrong split 7inch, which is good. What Went Wrong where from Portugal I think? Reality Slap is another band I know. Deez Nuts ain't my kind of thing.
If you were rich, you should aim higher than a kemper. haha.
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Try replacing the tubes with EL34's/E34L's, my 6260 sounded way better when I put the JJ E34L tube set in, and replaced the v1 preamp tube with a Tung Sol.
Something happened with the quotes above in case anyone's confused. But on these tubes, I have EL34s as well in my Peavey, and I'm wondering if you found this out because a tube failed or you just experimented with different tubes? I have read a lot of recommendations for the JJs.
I only now a couple of those bands since im not really into grind, powerviolence, etc. But that's really cool, do you know any portuguese bands? Devil in me or For the glory, maybe? (not the best ones by far but definitely the most well know internationally) I think DIM toured with an australian band called Deez Nuts.
I haven't really heard any bands from Portugal except Simbiose (great band, very much the style of music I'm into, are there other crust bands in Portugal?). I haven't heard of any of the bands you have mentioned except for Deez Nuts, which I only heard about because they are included on the flyer for some show here. To be honest my punk knowledge and taste is almost completely '80s bands, and pretty much hardcore genres like UK82 (e.g., The Exploited), Swedish (e.g., Anti-Cimex), Japanese (e.g., Warhead), crust (e.g., Doom), crossover (e.g., R.D.P.), crustgrind (e.g., E.N.T.), and grindcore (e.g., Unseen Terror). In other words that fringe of punk closest to metal. I've always been in that area of overlap between punk and metal, although I never got into NYC hardcore or the more recent metalcore and deathcore scenes (not a big fan of breakdowns, although I liked the way Dying Fetus used them that is the exception). actually pretty much every genre that appeared in the '90s or later (including in metal, e.g. nu-metal, but also a lot of '90s death metal etc) I don't seem to like. I guess I'm an old fuddy-duddy at 46 now. Kind of sad! I think some of the basic guitar sounds though are similar, its more the vocal styles and songwriting that has changed. Actually powerviolence is the one new genre I've gotten into, but it has its roots in the '80s bands I mentioned above
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I know For The Glory. I got one of their ep's years and years ago. There was a video on it and I think half those dudes had Terror shirts on in every cut. I think I have a Pointing Finger 7inch somewhere too, and I have the Black Friday 29/What Went Wrong split 7inch, which is good. What Went Wrong where from Portugal I think? Reality Slap is another band I know. Deez Nuts ain't my kind of thing.
If you were rich, you should aim higher than a kemper. haha.
For the glory are pretty cool, they rehearse right next to me, we have a full block of garages (maybe 9-10) where many hc bands from Lisbon rehearse. It's a shame that most of those bands are not around anymore, but FTG and Reality Slap are pretty big around here. I don't really listen to DN, but their lyrics crack me up. ahah
I didn't think it was any good before i actually saw one in a shop around here that mostly sells boutique stuff so i was intrigued. I tried it with the dude, and we profiled a couple of amps and it really does it! Of course the eq doesn't react the exact same way and such but it sounds much better then any other digital stuff that i've heard.
I only now a couple of those bands since im not really into grind, powerviolence, etc. But that's really cool, do you know any portuguese bands? Devil in me or For the glory, maybe? (not the best ones by far but definitely the most well know internationally) I think DIM toured with an australian band called Deez Nuts.
I haven't really heard any bands from Portugal except Simbiose (great band, very much the style of music I'm into, are there other crust bands in Portugal?). I haven't heard of any of the bands you have mentioned except for Deez Nuts, which I only heard about because they are included on the flyer for some show here. To be honest my punk knowledge and taste is almost completely '80s bands, and pretty much hardcore genres like UK82 (e.g., The Exploited), Swedish (e.g., Anti-Cimex), Japanese (e.g., Warhead), crust (e.g., Doom), crossover (e.g., R.D.P.), crustgrind (e.g., E.N.T.), and grindcore (e.g., Unseen Terror). In other words that fringe of punk closest to metal. I've always been in that area of overlap between punk and metal, although I never got into NYC hardcore or the more recent metalcore and deathcore scenes (not a big fan of breakdowns, although I liked the way Dying Fetus used them that is the exception). actually pretty much every genre that appeared in the '90s or later (including in metal, e.g. nu-metal, but also a lot of '90s death metal etc) I don't seem to like. I guess I'm an old fuddy-duddy at 46 now. Kind of sad! I think some of the basic guitar sounds though are similar, its more the vocal styles and songwriting that has changed. Actually powerviolence is the one new genre I've gotten into, but it has its roots in the '80s bands I mentioned above
There a couple more like Atentado, Besta and I think Local Trap is also in the crust category. Grindcore the only onw that comes to my mind is a band called Holocausto Canibal, which is more of a gore kind of think, so i'm not really into that ahaha. There's a thrash-crossover band called PxHxT (pussy hole treatment ahaha). That's all i can remember cause i keep most flyers of the shows i attend and im looking at them! There's also another band that's one of my favorite portuguese bands right now called A THOUSAND WORDS, that features members of Pointing Finger, Broken Distance and I think Please Die (great portuguese bands), they play a kind of darker hc, you might want to check them out. Metalcore and Deathcore really are not my thing but i like a band called Underoath that most people classify as metalcore even though i dont see it as that, they have some instrumental tracks that are amazing. 46 aint old and you're never to old to rock!
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Cheers! I found some of them on youtube and bandcamp; I really like Atentado.
But they look almost as old as me in the clip, which kind of underlines my point ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpWmfuRVpL0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpWmfuRVpL0)
Also, you could certainly get their sound out of an A-bomb with the right amp.
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try these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3XFD1Wbj9s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3XFD1Wbj9s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj2HoFFMVM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj2HoFFMVM4)
and my favorite brazilian thrashers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0DUvC8KxD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0DUvC8KxD0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxpaligtcYs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxpaligtcYs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNDub-oS-Cw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNDub-oS-Cw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIELdzctr78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIELdzctr78)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0e1rfo3K0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0e1rfo3K0k)
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Cheers, I've only gotten as far as Agrotóxico so far but it's great so now it might take me a while to get to the next one! ;)
The first band was good too.
EDIT: Checked out Claustrofobia, I like them too!
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Bones from Discharge playing an SG Junior with the dogear P90 in the early '80s.
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I've always wanted one of those!
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Bones from Discharge playing an SG Junior with the dogear P90 in the early '80s.
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I've always wanted one of those!
And now I have one! Not a dogear version but close ... soapbar should have more adjustment to it anyway ... I will keep the Nantucket in mind, I'm pretty sure Bones had a stock Gibson pickup and he always sounds punk as hell!
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I wasn't so happy with the P-90 that came in my Junior as far as hardcore and punk stuff goes - maybe it is different from the one Bones had (his was pretty old, might have been closer to the Nantucket) - but I have a Stockholm now, hopefully the extra output and bass will get around the issues I had with the stock pickup.
A P-90 with the output of an A-Bomb ... sounds very promising ... will give it a first try today
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Let us know what you think of the pickup :)
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It will have to wait until next week now as I've managed to lock myself out of the garage, and the only spare key is with my father, who has gone away until Monday! Couldn't believe it!!! Anyway I will get onto it ASAP next week. I have the shielding and wiring harness for my Explorer to finish too - I just received the components in the mail and was going to instal them as soon as the shielding was finished :?
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It will have to wait until next week now as I've managed to lock myself out of the garage, and the only spare key is with my father, who has gone away until Monday! Couldn't believe it!!! Anyway I will get onto it ASAP next week. I have the shielding and wiring harness for my Explorer to finish too - I just received the components in the mail and was going to instal them as soon as the shielding was finished :?
I think I'll quote the Dude here: That's a bummer, man! It's a bummer! :D
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What can you do, eh?
I must be getting old and silly.
Oh, and on the Big Lebowski, I've got plenty of leads. Mainly patch leads.
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What can you do, eh?
I must be getting old and silly.
Oh, and on the Big Lebowski, I've got plenty of leads. Mainly patch leads.
My short time memory can be pretty bad so I totally understand your situation :D
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BEST BKP FOR HARDCORE = STOCKHOLM.
No question. Beats the Nailbomb easily.