Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Studiostriver on September 12, 2013, 01:01:16 AM
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Hi to all!
I had no luck I guess,my old computer died.Buying a new one makes me suffer,even more waiting.Buy my pair of bare knuckles will have to wait...
Well ,i have a lot of time know to think,questions starts coming again,and one of them is:
"Is the Miracle Man(bridge) the right choice for Mahogany body 7 string guitar?
To be precise (maple top)/mahogany neck / rosewood fretboard..
I heard some clips of basswood/alder guitars which is far from mahogany and sounded great.I am just a little suspicious is it gonna sound muddy due to a 80% guitar is mahogany and despite that even 7 string?
I need your opinion on this one please..
Thanks in advance,Studiostriver.
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It probably depends on how much mahogany and how the guitar is constructed (e.g, how thick, set-neck or bolt-neck, etc). When I asked about a MM in my Explorer people who had experience of MM in Gibson Explorers said it would probably be muddy. My Explorer is actually korina though, it is Epiphone not Gibson, and thus might be a bit brighter. I ended up with an A-pig in that guitar and it was fine.
On the other hand, the MM is a highly-recommended pickup for SGs. We would need to know more than just the fact that it's made from mahogany. Does it sound like an especially dark guitar acoustically? SGs have a 'ring' to them when you strike them with your fist (not too hard!), with bright mids.
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It probably depends on how much mahogany and how the guitar is constructed (e.g, how thick, set-neck or bolt-neck, etc). When I asked about a MM in my Explorer people who had experience of MM in Gibson Explorers said it would probably be muddy. My Explorer is actually korina though, it is Epiphone not Gibson, and thus might be a bit brighter. I ended up with an A-pig in that guitar and it was fine.
On the other hand, the MM is a highly-recommended pickup for SGs. We would need to know more than just the fact that it's made from mahogany. Does it sound like an especially dark guitar acoustically? SGs have a 'ring' to them when you strike them with your fist (not too hard!), with bright mids.
Well here is some basic info:
* Construction: Set-neck with Ultra Access
* Scale: 26.5"
* Tuning: B-E-A-D-G-B-E
* Body: Mahogany
* Top: Quilted maple
* Neck: 3-piece mahogany
* Fingerboard: Rosewood
* Frets: 24 extra-jumbo
* Inlays: Gothic cross
* Pickups: EMG Active 707-TW
* Electronics: 2 Vol with push/pull coil-splitting/Tone/3-Way Toggle Switch
* Bridge: Original Floyd Rose Tremolo
* Binding: Abalone
* Tuners: Grover
* Hardware: Black Chrome
My personal opinion that acousticly sound is not too dark,but rather has a very big bass sound.And guitar is heavy(weight) as hell.
I remmember well when I tested Jeff Loomis model I firstly just play chords unplugged,and then with Hellraiser I sad whoa,this is one mean m...f...r :) Very massive and warm sound,but I would not call it muudy...
EMG 707 TW i just found too scooped..I would decribe it by equalization something like this bass 7 mid 1/2 and highs 4/5
For neck I have no doubt,ColdSweat baby will sit very well...
But for bridge I am still thinking..First I was going for Nailbomb Ceramic,then Painkiller and then Mirace Man...
I liked Miracle Man beacuse of mid/bass meaty and again pronounce sound...
Cheers bro :shock:
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For neck I have no doubt,ColdSweat baby will sit very well...
But for neck I am still thinking..First I was going for Nailbomb Ceramic,then Painkiller and then Mirace Man...
You mean the bridge, right?
I'm not sure how the maple top affects the overall tone, but basically I would make sure you can accurately describe (or as accurately as possible) the acoustic character of your guitar and what you want it to sound like, and then contact BKP. It's also important to have realistic expectations regarding the amount of territory the pickup is expected to cover. BKPs tend to have a fairly focused range of what they are good at, and do it brilliantly, rather than being bland jack-of-all-trades pickups. Seems to me that you are looking to do the heavier end of things, somewhere in the metal genre. It is a very broad genre though, so you would need to be specific about what the main core of what you are trying to achieve is, and then ask 'do you think it will stretch to X without problems' and maybe send a clip.
For example, when I asked about the options of a Cold Sweat versus a Miracle Man for my SG, the answer I got first was that I might be happier with the Miracle Man, because from the list of bands I have them as examples of what I wanted to cover it seemed very metal. The facts of the matter were though that the heaviest band style I wanted to cover with that guitar (tuned to E or Eb standard) was the early Celtic Frost sound, whereas a lot of the rest of it was '70s and '80s rock and metal, with I guess the core being Judas Priest but stretching to Thin Lizzy in one direction and '80s Slayer in the other. Celtic Frost is quite dark so I wanted to make sure it could do that well (maybe with the tone rolled off), so I gave Ben a clip of one of their songs, I think it was 'The Usurper', and restated what I said above regarding early '80s sounds being important to me and asking if the Cold Sweat could manage the CF stuff well. With this information Ben was able to clearly say that I would probably be happier with the Cold Sweat and that it would be fine for CF, and thus cover all the metal ground that my Warpig-equipped down-tuned Explorer can't manage. In a different guitar a Holy Diver could also have done a good job, but they don't work well with SGs.
If you haven't written to BKP yet I would suggest that you do so, as they are very helpful and know the pickups better than anyone, and of course have heard a lot of feedback regarding various applications.
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For neck I have no doubt,ColdSweat baby will sit very well...
But for neck I am still thinking..First I was going for Nailbomb Ceramic,then Painkiller and then Mirace Man...
You mean the bridge, right?
I'm not sure how the maple top affects the overall tone, but basically I would make sure you can accurately describe (or as accurately as possible) the acoustic character of your guitar and what you want it to sound like, and then contact BKP. It's also important to have realistic expectations regarding the amount of territory the pickup is expected to cover. BKPs tend to have a fairly focused range of what they are good at, and do it brilliantly, rather than being bland jack-of-all-trades pickups. Seems to me that you are looking to do the heavier end of things, somewhere in the metal genre. It is a very broad genre though, so you would need to be specific about what the main core of what you are trying to achieve is, and then ask 'do you think it will stretch to X without problems' and maybe send a clip.
For example, when I asked about the options of a Cold Sweat versus a Miracle Man for my SG, the answer I got first was that I might be happier with the Miracle Man, because from the list of bands I have them as examples of what I wanted to cover it seemed very metal. The facts of the matter were though that the heaviest band style I wanted to cover with that guitar (tuned to E or Eb standard) was the early Celtic Frost sound, whereas a lot of the rest of it was '70s and '80s rock and metal, with I guess the core being Judas Priest but stretching to Thin Lizzy in one direction and '80s Slayer in the other. Celtic Frost is quite dark so I wanted to make sure it could do that well (maybe with the tone rolled off), so I gave Ben a clip of one of their songs, I think it was 'The Usurper', and restated what I said above regarding early '80s sounds being important to me and asking if the Cold Sweat could manage the CF stuff well. With this information Ben was able to clearly say that I would probably be happier with the Cold Sweat and that it would be fine for CF, and thus cover all the metal ground that my Warpig-equipped down-tuned Explorer can't manage. In a different guitar a Holy Diver could also have done a good job, but they don't work well with SGs.
If you haven't written to BKP yet I would suggest that you do so, as they are very helpful and know the pickups better than anyone, and of course have heard a lot of feedback regarding various applications.
Yes i ment bridge,I rewrite it... :?
I love to many bands and metal genres that list will be so huge it will just confuse what sound I`m after.
So I`lll post just clips ,they will hit at right spot more:
For rhythm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkc08_dR-0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkc08_dR-0)
start from 1 minute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KKLrbpD9V0&list=PL0F061913B65AD2F2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KKLrbpD9V0&list=PL0F061913B65AD2F2)
For Solo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYmNT1kgl2M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYmNT1kgl2M)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wnQfCzAog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wnQfCzAog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDS0t10zHg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDS0t10zHg)
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Looking at those artists I'm going to suggest that you might want to take a closer look at the Cold Sweat. I'm guessing you will be happier with that set than with the Miracle Man one. I think it would be between that and the Holy Diver set. Of the two the Cold Sweat (as a ceramic) would be closer to the Miracle Man, but you might decide you prefer the Holy Diver. I'm pretty sure that you'd be safe with either. The only mahogany guitar that the Holy Diver doesn't like is the SG, but your guitar doesn't sound anything like one of those. The Cold Sweat is pretty much a safe bet in any mahogany guitar, like the Miracle Man (the Rebel Yell is also in that category, but I don't see any bands on your list that seem to be especially within its 'zone' so to speak).
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Looking at those artists I'm going to suggest that you might want to take a closer look at the Cold Sweat. I'm guessing you will be happier with that set than with the Miracle Man one. I think it would be between that and the Holy Diver set. Of the two the Cold Sweat (as a ceramic) would be closer to the Miracle Man, but you might decide you prefer the Holy Diver. I'm pretty sure that you'd be safe with either. The only mahogany guitar that the Holy Diver doesn't like is the SG, but your guitar doesn't sound anything like one of those. The Cold Sweat is pretty much a safe bet in any mahogany guitar, like the Miracle Man (the Rebel Yell is also in that category, but I don't see any bands on your list that seem to be especially within its 'zone' so to speak).
Thanks for your reply bro. So you think Coldsweat even for a bridge will get me closer to sound of the rhythm guitar?
I like how they sound in one hand,but somehow maybe too little raw and less precise...I would like to have that percussive tight characteristics when playing fast pulm muting,but the main sound that will stay in mid bass territory,not in mid like lets say like Aftermath.
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I haven't actually used a Cold Sweat bridge yet. I have one on the way from BKP so my knowledge of it is based on clips and what others have said, plus a recommendation from Ben at BKP. My choice was basically between that and the Miracle Man. I decided that while I wanted that area where they overlap the heavier, downtuned stuff was already covered by the A-pig in my other guitar, and I have an A-bomb that I can use for abrasive hardcore stuff and some metal like Sepultura.
I have a Cold Sweat neck, it is very nice.
I'm not sure on which might be closer to Arch Enemy, the Cold Sweat or the Miracle Man, but I think it falls in that overlap between them that I'm talking about. I think you will find the CS to be preferable for the other stuff you've listed. The Yngwie clip I think the Cold Sweat would have the edge on the MM for sure, but there might be other pickups in the BKP range that are closer. I think the neck would be very good for that though, at least as far as humbuckers go.
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I haven't actually used a Cold Sweat bridge yet. I have one on the way from BKP so my knowledge of it is based on clips and what others have said, plus a recommendation from Ben at BKP. My choice was basically between that and the Miracle Man. I decided that while I wanted that area where they overlap the heavier, downtuned stuff was already covered by the A-pig in my other guitar, and I have an A-bomb that I can use for abrasive hardcore stuff and some metal like Sepultura.
I have a Cold Sweat neck, it is very nice.
I'm not sure on which might be closer to Arch Enemy, the Cold Sweat or the Miracle Man, but I think it falls in that overlap between them that I'm talking about. I think you will find the CS to be preferable for the other stuff you've listed. The Yngwie clip I think the Cold Sweat would have the edge on the MM for sure, but there might be other pickups in the BKP range that are closer. I think the neck would be very good for that though, at least as far as humbuckers go.
From Bare Knuckle official demo clips,to me bridge have big sound but somehow"roarring"little bit and lack thightness.I like where they sitting in frequency term of speaking..
Sound color is great,if they are just a little bit tighter I will have no doubts..
Miracle man still sound more great to my ears for bridge,more sharper definetily but mid bass tightness is just wonderfull...
Is there anyone here who is tested MM with mahogany body guitar?
I need little more opinions please to get final thought..
Also it do not have to be Bare Knuckle for bridge,suggest any pickup for 7 String guitar that will sit for this kind of sounds from previous clips post.
Please.
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Cold Sweat neck and Miracle Man bridge is a popular combination in SGs. You can lower the bridge and raise the neck to balance the output between them a bit if you play with both pickups much (personally I don't tend to).
I'm not sure why people said that a Miracle Man can be very dark in an Explorer, whereas it's considered perfect for an SG. I think it's a matter of different construction and perhaps the sheer mass of wood behind the bridge on an Explorer. I've not read negative comments about the Miracle Man in a Les Paul, which is a big hunk of mahogany (admittedly generally with a maple top).
I'm sure others will comment, but I think the best resource is the wisdom at BKP
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Hi
Arch Enemy sound = Holy Diver or Miracle Man, depending on the guitar.
I use the MM and play some AE songs, it works really well for their sound. I also had a Holy Diver and it does the lead sounds even better, but in the case of my guitar I needed something with a bit more presence and brightness on the low end (baritone, tuned to B standard). So normally I'd say Holy Diver for that type of sound, but I do think you need to ascertain yourself how bright and defined your guitar is on the lower strings.
To add - that intermezzo liberte is played on Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge - Mike used that pickup for many years - the Holy Diver is closest to that.
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Hi
Arch Enemy sound = Holy Diver or Miracle Man, depending on the guitar.
I use the MM and play some AE songs, it works really well for their sound. I also had a Holy Diver and it does the lead sounds even better, but in the case of my guitar I needed something with a bit more presence and brightness on the low end (baritone, tuned to B standard). So normally I'd say Holy Diver for that type of sound, but I do think you need to ascertain yourself how bright and defined your guitar is on the lower strings.
To add - that intermezzo liberte is played on Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge - Mike used that pickup for many years - the Holy Diver is closest to that.
Hi Alex,I think you are right about Holy Diver.I listened some demos how they sound in Les Paul (mahogany) guitars and absolutely loved what I have heard so far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrHxhfLSoC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrHxhfLSoC8)
JB sounds good and balanced from this clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFO9phrDBig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFO9phrDBig)
but SH-5 even better.
I thinks that"my"7th string is very articulate,definetely not muddy by any criterium,just very massive (not unbalanced 8) ).
I put another neck pickup in the game for neck,just to ask for your opinions? What you think about Trilogy neck in compare to Coldswet?
I`m ment of course will it fit better for music style and list of musicians i put in post above?
And i write to BKPto ask their opinion too.
(And beside all these chat I`m even re-think selling my guitar and made custom guitar,i spoke to our great luthier here...
But again guitar it will have mahogany body/neck for sure,i like that meaty sound,so for spec i think wood type will be the same,except i will put some bubinga top,not maple...) :shock:
Cheers and thank you both guys for taking time to write your thoughts. :P
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I don't know the Cold Sweat, I've used the Miracle Man and Holy Diver.
About the matching singles, I guess you can just email the BKP team and as what would fit with a HD.
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Answer(s) from BKP:
"Hi,The Cold Sweats could be a good option I think. "
After i ask for a little more tight and less roarring sound they sad:
"The Cold Sweat bridge is very tight. If you want tighter then you'll need maybe the Painkiller or Aftermath."
After i asked would be better match for rhythm Holy Diver or Miracle man,and also ask how split coil Coldsweat sounds,and my sympathy for Trilogy neck they sad:
"If you want clarity and bass response then the Cold Sweat bridge is better for you than the HD and MM.
Yes you can split the Cold Sweat neck but it will be nowhere near as fat as the Trilogy Suite."
And that will be it. 8)
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You are going with a Cold Sweat set? Let us know your thoughts on it when you have them fitted.
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You are going with a Cold Sweat set? Let us know your thoughts on it when you have them fitted.
I do not know what to think really..I will buy neck Cold Sweat without any doubt,that is for sure...But I will check for other brands for bridge and compare them to CS Bridge which should be my bst deal from Bare Knuckle..Maybe Duncan Custom SH-5.I recently became fond of WCR pickups...I found they made Jon Schaeffer`s Icebucker (Iced Earth).The only problem is it is vintage style pickup and I think it will not sit well for neck Cold Sweat...The best alternative I found is WCR Iron Man bridge...
That is alternative combination for me...At the end of the year I will buy those pickups and make a review,with some sound clips of course. :)
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The Cold Sweat bridge is tight, bright and cutting but its relatively light wind means it sounds quite open to give it a bit of a vintage vibe.
The Holydiver is smooth, warm, thick and more saturated than the Cold Sweat. Very versatile with a nice 80's Metal feel to it. Very Doug Aldrich and Jake E. Lee. There's lots of mids there but it's a bit more balanced than it looks on the EQ chart. It's often compared to a JB but in reality, it's so much better it's untrue.
The Miracle Man should work fine in your guitar as the official BKP clips were done using a Les Paul. Like the Holydiver, it's smooth thick and warm and like the Holydiver, the EQ chart doesn't tell the whole story. It is scooped for sure but it isn't all highs and lows with no mids, it's just that a lot of the mids are low mids. As a result it gives you a big and articulate bottom end with screaming highs.
Another one you may consider is the alnico Nailbomb. This one is more about high mids. It's incredibly tight and aggressive sounding, with a real edge to the tone. Different to the others here but in mahogany, I think it might work well.
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The Cold Sweat bridge is tight, bright and cutting but its relatively light wind means it sounds quite open to give it a bit of a vintage vibe.
The Holydiver is smooth, warm, thick and more saturated than the Cold Sweat. Very versatile with a nice 80's Metal feel to it. Very Doug Aldrich and Jake E. Lee. There's lots of mids there but it's a bit more balanced than it looks on the EQ chart. It's often compared to a JB but in reality, it's so much better it's untrue.
The Miracle Man should work fine in your guitar as the official BKP clips were done using a Les Paul. Like the Holydiver, it's smooth thick and warm and like the Holydiver, the EQ chart doesn't tell the whole story. It is scooped for sure but it isn't all highs and lows with no mids, it's just that a lot of the mids are low mids. As a result it gives you a big and articulate bottom end with screaming highs.
Another one you may consider is the alnico Nailbomb. This one is more about high mids. It's incredibly tight and aggressive sounding, with a real edge to the tone. Different to the others here but in mahogany, I think it might work well.
Hi,at BKP they says that Miracle Man or Holy Diver are less tight and articulate then Cold Sweat and this should be "the best choice" for type of my music from clips I posted. From original BK clips I don`t hear that CS (bridge) is really something I`ll be happy with,but I have not heard how they sound on 7 string guitars either,so maybe the are right.
Beside that I really like Sykes,Aldridge and Jake Lee very much.But the best tone of mentioned 80thies to me is Sykes from Whitesnake 87 era.
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I was wondering the same, how the MM set would work in mahogany body and neck with palisander fingerboard guitar.
Basically Im thinking about installing at some stage MM set in another Dean Cadillac (mahogany body with maple top, mahogany neck with palisander fingerboard).
In my old Cadillac I have CBomb bridge and to be honest I find it quite dark sounding while according to the BKP charts MM has less mids and the rest is the same as CBomb.
Im really into Zakk Wylde sound and MM is perfect choice for that but dont want MM set to be muddy at all. would that be the case with MM as well in mahogany guitars?
Cheers.
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Hi,at BKP they says that Miracle Man or Holy Diver are less tight and articulate then Cold Sweat and this should be "the best choice" for type of my music from clips I posted. From original BK clips I don`t hear that CS (bridge) is really something I`ll be happy with,but I have not heard how they sound on 7 string guitars either,so maybe the are right.
Beside that I really like Sykes,Aldridge and Jake Lee very much.But the best tone of mentioned 80thies to me is Sykes from Whitesnake 87 era.
Mmmmm, tricky. To me, the one that best fits your tone is the Holydiver. It nails Aldrich and Lee and frankly, does Sykes from the Whitesnake 1987 era better than the Cold Sweat! That's more the Thin Lizzy era tone than Whitesnake to my ears. The only thing that would make me hesitate on the Holydiver is the fact that you're wanting it in a 7 string and I've never tried that (I have enough trouble with 6 strings!). The Cold Sweat is a tighter pickup than the Holydiver so I can see the logic there but so is the Miracle Man, which in many ways sounds closer to the Holydiver.
Tightness is a relative thing. Compared to the Miracle Man, Cold Sweat and especially the A-Bomb, I never thought the Holydiver was especially tight; just nicely tight. However, once I bought the Crawler I realised just how tight it is. If your guitar is a 7 string in standard tuning, I'd be inclined to take a punt on the Holydiver and if you drop the tuning at all I'd maybe switch to either the Cold Sweat or Miracle Man. Someone with more insight on 7 strings may be able to help you out more.
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Mmmmm, tricky. To me, the one that best fits your tone is the Holydiver. It nails Aldrich and Lee and frankly, does Sykes from the Whitesnake 1987 era better than the Cold Sweat! That's more the Thin Lizzy era tone than Whitesnake to my ears. The only thing that would make me hesitate on the Holydiver is the fact that you're wanting it in a 7 string and I've never tried that (I have enough trouble with 6 strings!). The Cold Sweat is a tighter pickup than the Holydiver so I can see the logic there but so is the Miracle Man, which in many ways sounds closer to the Holydiver.
Tightness is a relative thing. Compared to the Miracle Man, Cold Sweat and especially the A-Bomb, I never thought the Holydiver was especially tight; just nicely tight. However, once I bought the Crawler I realised just how tight it is. If your guitar is a 7 string in standard tuning, I'd be inclined to take a punt on the Holydiver and if you drop the tuning at all I'd maybe switch to either the Cold Sweat or Miracle Man. Someone with more insight on 7 strings may be able to help you out more.
Well,that is where problem starts,I start making all my songs for 7 Strings guitar and never went back... I`m in A (whole step down) tuning. I changed tuning cause all vocal melodies sits better when they are slightly lower,and guitars are even more heavier. ;)
But to be honest the tone I`m after I would describe vintage/modern..So something between two worlds..I could not live without organic sound,but also too vintage sounds to soft and not cut enough for todays music...
I like the idea to get something Sykes (Whitesnake 87) tone,and 7 string will make more modern approach to sound...
But at the same time pitch and extra string as you sad are more problems also...
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Well,that is where problem starts,I start making all my songs for 7 Strings guitar and never went back... I`m in A (whole step down) tuning. I changed tuning cause all vocal melodies sits better when they are slightly lower,and guitars are even more heavier. ;)
But to be honest the tone I`m after I would describe vintage/modern..So something between two world..I could not live without organic sound,but also too vintage sounds to soft and not cut enough for todays music...
I like the idea to get something Sykes (Whitesnake 87) tone,and 7 string will make more modern approach to sound...
But at the same time pitch and extra string is as you sad are more problems also...
Ok I did not follow the thread at all and just dropped in, but this post really makes it sound like a Rebel Yell. Modern take on a classic sound. Check on that. Organic? Hellsyes. Cut? All you should ever need. Works in mahagony. Check, check, check. Can hadle 7 string in A? Not really a doubt in my mind.
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If it's a mahogany 7 string tuned down a step and you want a vintage/modern voice, I'd suggest going with either a Cold Sweat or Rebel Yell, though if your guitar also has some maple in it, I still think a Holydiver is a possibility. Mine is in a mahogany PRS with a maple top and maple/rosewood neck that is tuned down half a step and it's not even close to becoming loose. All three would be great pickups so in that respect, you really can't lose.
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Hello there ! Just my two cents, but I have a Holydiver in my Silhouette, and though it's tuned to Drop C, it's still tight enough.
But hell, tightness also changes a lot with amps, cabs, even speakers. My actual amp setting is nowhere near loose, but tweak it a little and you could make it sound like a soup of mud (yummy).
My point is, if you told us what your amp is, we could give you a better advice. Cheers man !
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Good point.
My Orange Dual Terror with 2x12 open back it`s not the tightest amp either.
I`ve read somewhere on this forum that most of BKP pickups have a tendency to become muddy especially on E string while sitting too close to the strings. Can anyone confirm that?
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No BKP I've ever tried exhibited a tendency to go muddy; quite the opposite in fact, which is why I spend the extra over Seymour Duncan and DiMarzio.
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If it's a mahogany 7 string tuned down a step and you want a vintage/modern voice, I'd suggest going with either a Cold Sweat or Rebel Yell, though if your guitar also has some maple in it, I still think a Holydiver is a possibility. Mine is in a mahogany PRS with a maple top and maple/rosewood neck that is tuned down half a step and it's not even close to becoming loose. All three would be great pickups so in that respect, you really can't lose.
Yes guitar has a maple top,but neck is pure 3ply mahogany(no maple there) with rosewood fretboard.
I would like to go with Holy Diver bridge/Cold Sweat neck combination honestly...I like the sound of Rebel Yell,very unique.To my ears (correct me please if I`m wrong) the only negative thing is somehow to me it is little bit thin for metal,I need just little more meaty sound...
Hello there ! Just my two cents, but I have a Holydiver in my Silhouette, and though it's tuned to Drop C, it's still tight enough.
But hell, tightness also changes a lot with amps, cabs, even speakers. My actual amp setting is nowhere near loose, but tweak it a little and you could make it sound like a soup of mud (yummy).
My point is, if you told us what your amp is, we could give you a better advice. Cheers man !
Well to be honest,I`m not using metal amp at all.For 90% stuff I use my trustworthy Line 6 POD X3 Pro
http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/jun09/images/gt_line6podx3pro_01.jpg (http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/jun09/images/gt_line6podx3pro_01.jpg)
to Korg Tp-2 Instrumental Tube Preamp(to give warmth to sound),and to my EMU 1212M music card.
For clean sounds I`m using Acoustic 230 (Generation 3 Medium Duty Guitar Head) from 1978. It`s our family legacy ;) My father`s band use it for their recordings back in time.
http://acoustic.homeunix.net/twiki/bin/view/Acoustic/GuitarHead230 (http://acoustic.homeunix.net/twiki/bin/view/Acoustic/GuitarHead230)
All three components are connect at the same time so sometimes I use Acoustic as guitar preamp,then shape the sound in POD X3 PRO,and send it to Korg TP-2 instrumental,and that way I mix tube and transistor sound into one.
Trying to achieve that vintage/modern vibe philosophy.
And that`s it,know you my home studio guitar gear . :)
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The Rebel Yell seems to be very successful in mahogany seven strings.
I really don't think you can think of it in the same way as you would think of a six-string tuned to E, unless (as 5-string bass players often do) you only use that low string now and then for effect. Most seven string players seem to approach the B string very much as if it were an E string tuned down. Thus a good point of reference (at least for metal) would seem to be those death metal six-string players who tune down a long way, of whom I've known a few.
When I tuned down my Explorer to C# and C standard I remarked to my local guitar shop owner (who happens to be a guitarist in a notable death metal band that tunes to A# or A standard, I forget which, but lower than a standard seven-string anyway) that it 'sounds like a bass' and inquired as to how he got a clear, guitar sounding sound out of his guitars tuned much lower. Besides string gauge he emphasized that his whole set-up is much brighter than it would be if he were playing in E standard or even D standard, and emphasizes the mids rather than the scooped sound typical of thrash metal etc, which just gets too muddy in his tuning. Hence the preference for V30s and generally very bright EQ, although of course like most death metal players his pickups remain the old EMG 81/85 set.
I think this is why the Rebel Yell might work so well in low tunings and seven-strings for styles considerably heavier than it suits in standard six-string tunings. The low-end is inherent in the tuning and the additional mass of the instrument. A seven string compared to a six string made from the same wood has a noticeably larger amount of that wood directly under the strings. This might tend to accentuate a dark wood. There are clips of mahogany seven-strings with RYs on youtube and they don't sound like '80s glam guitars partly because of the way they are played and EQ'ed but also due in part to the tuning.
I'm not sure about the Cold Sweat in a seven-string, that seems a bit more mixed. It might need a brighter wood in a seven-string format. It is a bit 'scooped' compared to the RY. There is quite a bit of discussion of BKPs and seven-strings over at that American seven-string forum.
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The Rebel Yell seems to be very successful in mahogany seven strings.
I really don't think you can think of it in the same way as you would think of a six-string tuned to E, unless (as 5-string bass players often do) you only use that low string now and then for effect. Most seven string players seem to approach the B string very much as if it were an E string tuned down. Thus a good point of reference (at least for metal) would seem to be those death metal six-string players who tune down a long way, of whom I've known a few.
When I tuned down my Explorer to C# and C standard I remarked to my local guitar shop owner (who happens to be a guitarist in a notable death metal band that tunes to A# or A standard, I forget which, but lower than a standard seven-string anyway) that it 'sounds like a bass' and inquired as to how he got a clear, guitar sounding sound out of his guitars tuned much lower. Besides string gauge he emphasized that his whole set-up is much brighter than it would be if he were playing in E standard or even D standard, and emphasizes the mids rather than the scooped sound typical of thrash metal etc, which just gets too muddy in his tuning. Hence the preference for V30s and generally very bright EQ, although of course like most death metal players his pickups remain the old EMG 81/85 set.
I think this is why the Rebel Yell might work so well in low tunings and seven-strings for styles considerably heavier than it suits in standard six-string tunings. The low-end is inherent in the tuning and the additional mass of the instrument. A seven string compared to a six string made from the same wood has a noticeably larger amount of that wood directly under the strings. This might tend to accentuate a dark wood. There are clips of mahogany seven-strings with RYs on youtube and they don't sound like '80s glam guitars partly because of the way they are played and EQ'ed but also due in part to the tuning.
I'm not sure about the Cold Sweat in a seven-string, that seems a bit more mixed. It might need a brighter wood in a seven-string format. It is a bit 'scooped' compared to the RY. There is quite a bit of discussion of BKPs and seven-strings over at that American seven-string forum.
Thanks for your comments bro...
Well,for me personally I working with 5 string bass guitar,and I`m not using B string or 7 string for effects only by any means...Some songs I composed (for my releasing album) are from D/C/A/G ...It really depends from song to song....
I will definitely need to find some YT Rebel Yell 7 string clips to get idea where it could take me...
Due to fact I`m not using real hi gain amps but emulations I mostly depending on heaviness of guitar and pickups and then translate it and shape in processing.Cheers bro.