Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: mongey on September 20, 2013, 02:17:16 AM
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just saw picture Bulb posted on sevenstring of these.
anyone know anything about em ?
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Saw a drawing of that posted on the BKP facebook, asking what we thought it was.
I can see the juggernaut, but I also see a lightbulb in the middle and like most suspect a link to Perithery.
I would actually think a Misha signature PU to be not unlikely. Perhaps that would be something based on the AM with a bit of BH in there or something. Dare I hope for it to be alnico?^^
Wonder if it is just another special etch or a new PU entirely? Questions, questions...
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There is definitely a light bulb in there, and there is a vaguely Indian look about the design, which probably derives from the origins of the word juggernaut, summarized on wikipedia:
"Originating ca. 1850, the term is a metaphorical reference to the Hindu Ratha Yatra temple car, which apocryphally was reputed to crush devotees under its wheels."
All of this is pointing toward a Misha Mansoor signature pickup ... especially the Aftermath look of it
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yeah its gotta be a sig pick up . he just posted the picture no info
I wasnt a fan of just the design when I saw it on FB but with the pole pieces and the battleworn I dig the look
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Lets speculate some!
I say it is based on the AM, but more asymetrcial. Also it has either Alnico 5, 8 or a combo of alnico and ceramic!
Neos are possible, but I would rather rule those out.
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To quote Daemoness Guitars on Tim's Facebook:
"These new Bare Knuckle Pickup's "Juggernaut" humbuckers will be released soon, designed by Tim Mills, Adam Nolly Getgood and Misha Mansoor. I was honoured when the dueds asked me to design the logo. I based it on Achaemenid Persian griffon capital at Persepolis. If you don't like it, take it up with King Cyrus the Great. Although you will risk having your flayed skin stuffed with dung, straw and painted red if you loose the argument - as was his pleasure. From his gigantic, immovable mausoleum inscription - "O man, whoever you are and wherever you come from, for I know you will come, I am Cyrus who won the Persians their empire. Do not therefore begrudge me this earth that covers my bones"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5kIckut4Q&feature=c4-overview&list=UU6_dwqOUJodesgZb7TdgWhA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5kIckut4Q&feature=c4-overview&list=UU6_dwqOUJodesgZb7TdgWhA)
Obviously this is a video of Misha playing the Juggernauts. Really not my cup of tea, I thought Aftermaths where already dry and djenty, but this? I'm sure all the fanboys with 7 and 8 Strings will go nuts over these. I'll stick to my trusty Holydiver and Miracle Man old school sound :P
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
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I really can't get into that style or sound at all, but I'm sure a lot of people will want them
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I'd have to say that based on that video clip, I don't like it at all. Too dry, too tight and generally without soul. I'll happily stick to my Holydiver and Crawler pickups but I daresay that plenty will love it so live and let live :D
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I really can't get into that style or sound at all, but I'm sure a lot of people will want them
I think we'll just have to wait and see what it's capable of when it gets released. I've heard Misha play Djent on the ToneZone on Dimarzio's website, and you wouldn't think it was indeed the ToneZone. It could be capable of a lot more for all we know.
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
That clip doesn't sound like black winters to me
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
That clip doesn't sound like black winters to me
Obviously not the same, but in a similar ballpark to the Distortion. I believe the Black Winters is apparantly a hotter and brighter Distortion. Again I could be completely wrong about the Juggernaut. We'll just have to wait and see.
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
That clip doesn't sound like black winters to me
Obviously not the same, but in a similar ballpark to the Distortion. I believe the Black Winters is apparantly a hotter and brighter Distortion. Again I could be completely wrong about the Juggernaut. We'll just have to wait and see.
Interested in hearing more about them for sure. My favorites still are the A5 Warpig, and the Painkiller. I have a set of the Black Winter Duncans. I actually dig them in the Les Paul Standard.
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
That clip doesn't sound like black winters to me
Obviously not the same, but in a similar ballpark to the Distortion. I believe the Black Winters is apparantly a hotter and brighter Distortion. Again I could be completely wrong about the Juggernaut. We'll just have to wait and see.
Interested in hearing more about them for sure. My favorites still are the A5 Warpig, and the Painkiller. I have a set of the Black Winter Duncans. I actually dig them in the Les Paul Standard.
Same for me. I really want to try the Black Hawks, still. I just don't like the design. I guess beauty is skin deep, afterall. LOL
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I'd have to suggest that playing style really isn't my cup of earl grey, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
and while I understand that a business can have a lot on it's plate just getting things made and shipped, I will be looking forward to when pickup companies can offer an apples-to-apples sound comparison of the models available... i.e., using the different pickups in the same guitar, playing the same thing through the same rig. or... the same pickup in different guitars, playing the same thing through the same rig. or... a combination of all that.
it'd be a bit clinical and not the most exciting thing to produce. but it could represent the product better than end users using an iPhone to upload to youtube. as affordable as interfaces and DAWs are getting, it's a marvel at times as to how all these tech savvy guys aren't taking their home demos to the next level of quality. however...that's just me waxing/waning on about a bunch of what-ifs. lol!
I do like seeing names like Juggernaut on the BKP models. it falls in line with they way all the models are named. when another company that is more into vintage and traditional rock tones starts to get into names based on D&D sort of stuff they are calling their new line of djent stuff, it's a little out of place.
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God djenty riffs are really annoying its hard to figure out how any thing sounds in terms of proper metal. Misha gets some nice clean tones, lead tones and is a cool lead player but every clip I hear of his rythm playing sounds awful id rather hear some beginner messing up some riffs.
When premier guitar did the monsters of hi gain he made every top quality amp sound the exact same i.e poor. Thank God they got Ola Englund to take over. Djent riffs are even more annoying and predictable that the dark days of nu metal and thats saying some thing!
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I'd have to suggest that playing style really isn't my cup of earl grey, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
and while I understand that a business can have a lot on it's plate just getting things made and shipped, I will be looking forward to when pickup companies can offer an apples-to-apples sound comparison of the models available... i.e., using the different pickups in the same guitar, playing the same thing through the same rig. or... the same pickup in different guitars, playing the same thing through the same rig. or... a combination of all that.
it'd be a bit clinical and not the most exciting thing to produce. but it could represent the product better than end users using an iPhone to upload to youtube. as affordable as interfaces and DAWs are getting, it's a marvel at times as to how all these tech savvy guys aren't taking their home demos to the next level of quality. however...that's just me waxing/waning on about a bunch of what-ifs. lol!
I do like seeing names like Juggernaut on the BKP models. it falls in line with they way all the models are named. when another company that is more into vintage and traditional rock tones starts to get into names based on D&D sort of stuff they are calling their new line of djent stuff, it's a little out of place.
I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
It's not really aimed at players like me I don't think, but I am still vaguely interested in the Blackhawk but until I managed to try Jimmy Moorbys, all I'd ever heard of them was through axe FX and other modellers playing music I don't like the sound of. This is just another 1 of those pickups to me :lol:
I be they'll sell loads of them though! 8)
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This BKP aims at a specific category of players. I'm not one of them, but I expect there's a good market for it.
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While most of us here are a bit too old school to be in the aim of this PU we will might really like it in the end, lets not discount it quite yet.
There is often that versatility to BKPs. Painkiller was originally meant as Judas Priest sound after all, but most use it for Djent. The Warpig is a big mean metal machine and yet the neck delivers nice jazz tones...
So let us not discount the PU yet...plus we have not heard the neck yet, could be something cool for us to pair with the Abomb and MM in the end.
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the way i see it, the more pickups to choose from, the better.
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I think people will be pleasantly surprised at the voicing and versatility of these pickups - they're not a one-trick "djent" pony by any means and if anything are fatter and smoother than the models Misha has used in the past. They're my favourite contemporary pickup set to date; during the prototyping and testing process Misha and I were in agreement the whole time - despite our playing styles and tones being very different, the pickup delivered exactly what we each wanted. I look forward to hearing people's thoughts once get a chance to try them for themselves :)
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sounds cool nolly. once people try them a bit more and show them off in some different styles and setups we'll definitely get a better idea of how they sound.
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I'm sure that will be the case. Bear in mind Misha is playing through an iPad in that video :lol:
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the jackson he's using looks awesome. been a loooong time since i've used a jackson. maybe i should buy one... or five.
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So it (I assume you are talking bridge here) is darker and smoother than the AM. Like that direction.
Does it retain the dryness of the AM or is it juicier? Where are the mids focused? Is it as centered as the AM or is there a shift towards the low mids?
What kind of magnets and wire?
So many questions and I fear you are not really at liberty to help me out much with them xD
Really I am eating up any little piece of info you can give us =)
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Yes, smoother and more low-mid focussed than the Aftermath. The design brief was to marry the best tonal attributes of AV and Ceramic magnets in a single pickup so the result would be extremely tight but with a smooth and rich character that doesn't thin out on the unwound strings. I'll let Tim be the first to offer up a proper description and spec when the product page goes live in the very near future.
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Well the idea sounds pretty awesome. A smooth richness and fullnes on the high strings I get from my Crawler, but tight enough for metal...
If it pans out the way I think it can these are gonna be extremly cool.
Canīt wait for the release!
From what I know about it so far it sure sounds like it might be a hot contender for PUs to put into a baritone tuned to drop A# playing In Flames. Donīt wanne imitate their sound but get in the ballpark, then add my own preferences.
Now I just gotta buy a baritone and see what these PUs are like...and then there is still the issue of getting a Feline for my 10th PUs made. Sh*t, why are there so many cool pickups and sounds...
Got AMs sitting around (bridge did not work in a LP where a Stockholm now rules) for that, but these might be the thing.
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I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
at least one company went with the JCM800 50w for dirty and a Fender Super Reverb for cleans. these days, you can do it with modeling on a computer or an iPad, which is awesome. as long as there is a baseline for comparison, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim.
it will be interesting to learn more about this model. it's easy to get distracted by a name or a sample. hearing that it's a little more versatile has me curious.
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I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim.
The fact that modellers react extremely differently to the actual amps they're modelling.
Say run a mule through an axe fx modelling a soldano SLO and it will be tight and have a lot more attack in the midrange whilst with an SLO it wont be that tight or peaky.
Ideally companies need to have clips both with amps and modellers that will it will show how it reacts both ways which will cover the entire customer base.
Misha has posted a lot of info about this on the MG forum tonewise and broke it down in a little more detail than Nolly did above.
I'm kinda interested because I like new things but i fear once again it's just going to be too modern and processed sounding like the last few offerings for my personal playing style.
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I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim.
The fact that modellers react extremely differently to the actual amps they're modelling.
I do believe my comment was " as long as there is a baseline for comparison, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim."
not quite the same as how it was made to look in how you used it in your quote. *wags finger*
and, provided all things are equal, it wouldn't matter what type of amp or amp sim was being used.
the end goal I am referring to would be to get an idea of how one pickup model sounds next to another one. playing one model through a Plexi in a alder Charvel and one model through a dual rec in a LP Standard and another model through a sim/iPad using a basswood Ibby doesn't really give the listener a true idea of how the pickups relate on to another. playing them all in the same guitar through a Plexi would. or through a dual rec. or a amp sim. the listener doesn't need to know if it's a tube amp or what brand of tube or if it's a SS amp or if it's not an amp at all... any more than if it's going through a Mackie or a Neve or a DAW... just that it's an apples-to-apples comparison of one pickup to another. and THAT is my only point. :)
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I totally agree. Same guitar, same amp, variety of pickups to compare. That's the only way to compare apples for apples. However, it is also important to know how the pickups might react in your guitar. A guitar with vastly different wood and construction - or even hardware - might react to different pickups in different ways, so that the two pickups seem more 'alike' in one guitar than in another. Same with amps.
Even with the BKP clips I find it hard to tell how a pickup will sound in my setup. I can only compare them and go with the one with less mids than the other one, or more highs, or more smooth versus aggressive, juicy versus dry, etc.
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Thanks for clearing all that up Nolls!
And just to echo all of his sentiments, I was aiming a bit bigger than "LETZ MAEK ULTRIMAT DJENT PICKUP" when Tim and I were discussing the sig pickup.
I saw this as an opportunity to explore some new ground, and so did Tim. Long story short, he told me to come up with a wishlist, and we followed that.
In the end I think we ended up with a set that surpassed my expectations in that it excelled in categories I hadn't even initially considered.
For example, these sound absolutely fantastic on cleans, even on the bridge, and they are always very full sounding which is very pleasing.
I have always been of the mindset that the whole "Djent" tone is more of a picking thing combined with how you have your amp set.
Also to be noted, that video of me testing the Jamup app just happens to be one of the many things I have put together over the last year with a guitar that has a Juggernaut set in it, but the pickups are not the star of the show in that video, but the relatively inexpensive iOS app is.
Proper demos in several styles will be out soon, but ultimately one of my favorite things about this pickup is the feel and dynamics. I love to dig in and pick hard, and this is a very rewarding pickup in that sense, so I am very excited for people who play all styles to give it a whirl as I think you will be very happy with the results, even if you don't play heavier music!
I hope this gives everything some perspective!
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I think that's how all the clips were done back in the old days with a JCM800 I believe.
, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim.
The fact that modellers react extremely differently to the actual amps they're modelling.
I do believe my comment was " as long as there is a baseline for comparison, I don't see where it matters if it's a real amp or a sim."
not quite the same as how it was made to look in how you used it in your quote. *wags finger*
and, provided all things are equal, it wouldn't matter what type of amp or amp sim was being used.
the end goal I am referring to would be to get an idea of how one pickup model sounds next to another one. playing one model through a Plexi in a alder Charvel and one model through a dual rec in a LP Standard and another model through a sim/iPad using a basswood Ibby doesn't really give the listener a true idea of how the pickups relate on to another. playing them all in the same guitar through a Plexi would. or through a dual rec. or a amp sim. the listener doesn't need to know if it's a tube amp or what brand of tube or if it's a SS amp or if it's not an amp at all... any more than if it's going through a Mackie or a Neve or a DAW... just that it's an apples-to-apples comparison of one pickup to another. and THAT is my only point. :)
whoops. Sorry about that I misread after just glancing across most of the posts. My bad.
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Also just incase anyone missed it theres a official product page now
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/main/pickups.php?cat=humbuckers&sub=contemporary&pickup=juggernaut
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They look to have a new baseplate for these (unless it's for 7-string pickups in general). The lugs are more EMG shaped.
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They look to have a new baseplate for these (unless it's for 7-string pickups in general). The lugs are more EMG shaped.
I think they're just shaped for direct mounting rather than pickup rings but should work either way
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The official clips do sound better and more impressive than the video at the start of this thread but 'versatile' still isn't a word that leaps to mind when I listen to them. They just seem too tight and aggressive for anything much other than Metal but the idea of combining ceramic and alnico magnets is genius. I've often wondered if that could be done 8)
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The official clips do sound better and more impressive than the video at the start of this thread but 'versatile' still isn't a word that leaps to mind when I listen to them. They just seem too tight and aggressive for anything much other than Metal but the idea of combining ceramic and alnico magnets is genius. I've often wondered if that could be done 8)
regarding the mag combinations its been done before a few times.
I'm still a bit sceptical but just got a credit of Ģ130 on the closure of the bt account at my old address and it's burning a hole in my pocket.
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I'll say this about them: the 'modern metal' clip sounds very different from the other BKP clips I've listened to, and that's not a bad thing. The djenty one sounds not bad either as soon as the djenting is left behind and the leads start - are those done with the new neck pickup? If so I quite like it.
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Big thanks to Nolly and Misha for chiming in! =)
I like the sound of those babys. I feel you can really hear the alnico in the bridge. Plus the neck sounds really really nice.
Would love to hear more of these, especially non djent stuff (I know it does that, now I wanne know what else it does and how). Right now I am very intrigued cause I feel these really could be for me (when it comes to metal at least).
I think I would love to try these for a downtuned metal axe I think, might just add what I felt the AM was lacking for me.
Could you perhaps shed some light on how these compare to the AM tonewise? Both bridge and neck. Seems like a logical point of comparison.
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I know listened the clips from official BKP Juggernaut page.
Something i like,something i do not like ...
For rhythm I think they sound much better than Aftermath.When doing pulm mute riffing at modern metal clips it sounds ubber cool I must say.Thightness is good,and bass responce also.
But when playing open riff on intro it somehow do not attack enough,sound mellow and less agressive than Miracle Man or Nailbomb...That is think despite the fact pickup do not have presence in high notes at all...That is thing I do not like...
Same thing with neck pickup,has a really unique sound without a doubt but very high end closed.But balanced at the same time.The second thing I do not like is how pickup react with tremolo picking at higher notes,somehow sharp noisy clicking..Playing some busy alternate phrases neclassical style would be very messy in my opinion..
So + and - are in this pickup...I think that it is not versatile for anything that is not modern metal...
But I hope I`m wrong. If you have a time please post any new clips with standard ordinary metal riffings and solos please...
In ordering section I can not see Juggernaut 7 String version yet,are there gonna be 7/8 options too?
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Big thanks to Nolly and Misha for chiming in! =)
I like the sound of those babys. I feel you can really hear the alnico in the bridge. Plus the neck sounds really really nice.
Would love to hear more of these, especially non djent stuff (I know it does that, now I wanne know what else it does and how). Right now I am very intrigued cause I feel these really could be for me (when it comes to metal at least).
I think I would love to try these for a downtuned metal axe I think, might just add what I felt the AM was lacking for me.
Could you perhaps shed some light on how these compare to the AM tonewise? Both bridge and neck. Seems like a logical point of comparison.
Here is something I wrote up to try to describe the sound and feel of the pickups with words haha:
In short, I went to Tim asking him to make me a hybrid pickup that would capture the best aspects of Ceramic and Alnico pickups but without the downsides. Ceramic tends to be harsh and compressed, Alnico doesn't have the attack or tightness that I need.
Tim and I actually designed these pickups not around being "djenty" (because apart from being rather limiting as a sound, most of that comes from your picking technique and how you set your amp) but focused more on fixing the small qualms I had with the Aftermath and Black Hawk. These are much more dynamic, and smoother in the top end so that leads/high notes don't sound shrill or ice-picky, and we managed to shift the low end focus from bass to low mids which means they are hitting frequencies which are a lot more relevant to the guitar and the pickup sounds fatter for it. All of this whilst having that signature "open" top end clarity that I have come to associate with BKP pickups as well as the ability to have distorted chords ring out evenly and clearly without the lower notes taking over.
A huge bonus that was kind of unexpected is how phenomenal these pickups sound on cleans (even the bridge) and mid gain tones as a result of the added dynamics, sweetness and fatness.
Now since it is my pickup, Tim's challenge was to work those qualities into the pickup in a way that would still allow me to completely get the tightness and angry attack I get from the Aftermath (especially if you pick hard) and the purr of an Alnico Blackhawk without relying on the compressed nature of that pickup. As a result, you can effectively use your right hand/strength of your picking as a gain control!
For the neck pickup voicing, I have always thought that the VHII was the most perfect neck pickup, but unfortunately it is not output/eq matched to the AM/BH set, so we spent some time designing a pickup that had all the positive characteristics of the VHII but that matched the output level and general eq of the Juggernaut bridge so that they would sound like part of the same set!
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Man I love the VH-II. I wanted a pickup which was more aggressive and more powerful on the bridge position, but I knew it wouldn't go well with the VH-II.
As soon as I get my salary, I'll order these. Dayum, I can't wait !
By the way, I will make a Holydiver+VH-II/Juggernaut comparison clip, so you guys will hear what it's all about (since lots of you have the Holydiver). Cheers Nolly and Misha !
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Again, thanks a lot Misha, that was very informative!
Really sounds amazing. The idea and process behind this PU really speaks to me. While I donīt play djent we still seem to have the same qualms with the AM and BH and if this PU is what you make it out to be it could be just what I want for my future drop A# axe.
Now what I (and I assume quite some other people) would like to have are more clips of this PU doing more classic metal styles, see how it does with, say Hair Metal, Thrash and heavy metal.
Also some more midgain stuff so I can actually make out the mid character under distortion more, cause the current clips are too high gain for me to get a good idea of that.
Just a crunch clip would be great.
Actually that goes for most PUs, but here especially since you talk about mid gain stuff being good and that gets me interested, but there are only clean and high gain clips.
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I think these for me are going to be the same as the Blackhawk:
I could possibly dig them for the stuff I play, but about 99% of the clips done with these will be genres of music I don't play with more gain than I'll ever use, and highly likely to be modellers too. So I'll never get a true reflection of if they'll fit me or not.
On a more positive note: I think Tim's found a way to practically print money and can see these flying off the shelves in big numbers.
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I'm also in the "not really my kind of music" camp, but what do you expect at my age? Sorry! :wink:
The clips don't tell me much, but I always find that with clips anyway - I never really get an idea of what something sounds like until I try it myself, in my own cack-handed way.
However, I must say Misha's written descriptions of what he wanted from the pickups sound really interesting. They certainly appeal to me more than the Aftermaths or Black Hawks.
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Thanks Misha and Nolly for the info, I too have found it very interesting and this pickup set sounds like something potentially interesting for a super strat type guitar for me if I ever go down that road. The output figures are interesting. They are similar to those for the Cold Sweat, except the neck and bridge are a little closer in output.
Now what I (and I assume quite some other people) would like to have are more clips of this PU doing more classic metal styles, see how it does with, say Hair Metal, Thrash and heavy metal.
Also some more midgain stuff so I can actually make out the mid character under distortion more, cause the current clips are too high gain for me to get a good idea of that.
Just a crunch clip would be great.
Actually that goes for most PUs, but here especially since you talk about mid gain stuff being good and that gets me interested, but there are only clean and high gain clips.
Actually I've noticed a few new clips popping up here and there, for example since I bought my first BKP a hair metal clip for the A-bomb has appeared on the site. So I guess it is just a matter of getting around to them eventually.
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whoops. Sorry about that I misread after just glancing across most of the posts. My bad.
no sweat, big guy
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Woah, Bulb and Nolls left both their reply, good to have a legit reference. Now only thing we need to do is to wait for more clips to pop up where the pickups do a variety of different styles like it was mentioned before in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to diss the pickup; modern "djent" just isn't my cup of tea. Very interested in how the Ceramic and Alnico combination copes with Thrash, Death Metal and all the other old school genres :)
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I have hesitated for weeks by the choice between aftermath or blackhawk (and ceramic and alnico as well)
Jugernaut seems to suite my needs and I just placed an order for a calibrated 6 set.
The set will be replacing DiMarzio CL/LF and installed in a Caparison Dellinger II.
This is my forth BKP pickup and I'm sure I will be pleased by the result!
Caparison Horus DS: BKP (a)Nailbomb/DiMarzio FT2
Caparison Horus YS: BKP HolyDiver/DiMarzio Chopper
Caparison Dellinger II Pro HGS: BKP Painkiller set
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Woah, Bulb and Nolls left both their reply, good to have a legit reference. Now only thing we need to do is to wait for more clips to pop up where the pickups do a variety of different styles like it was mentioned before in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to diss the pickup; modern "djent" just isn't my cup of tea. Very interested in how the Ceramic and Alnico combination copes with Thrash, Death Metal and all the other old school genres :)
I kind a like that ceramic/alnico idea and also it has very modern voicing when riffing a pulm mute in the last metal clip demo.Somehow reminds me of Metallica`s Black album sound.But little more modern which is not bad thing at all.
I waiting for more clips too,I just do not like djent music at all,As progressive metal genre concern I`m a more into "old school"like Symphony X,Ayreon/Star One,Vanden Plas etc...
Somehow I think this pickups will be my best brigde choice.Juggernaut/Cold Sweat seems to me a very good combination.Dark modern riffing V.S. sharp shredding/vintage solo tone...And they`ll fit very well into mahogany and also extended scale and extra string guitars...I can`t wait waiting for Decembar to come..I wish I could order them know!
Cheers.
Studiostriver
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Check out what just got posted on the BKP facebook!
A song by Misha recorded with the Juggernauts!
http://youtu.be/IHQ8FAc2jxs (http://youtu.be/IHQ8FAc2jxs)
First half isnīt even djent and it shows of some clean tones and mid gain lead on the bridge! Really interresting to hear and also a nice tune I feel. Some cool lead ideas in there, but it lost me when the djenty part came in.
Look into the description for more info!
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Very nice Wall of Sound (copyright Devin Townsend) on the cleans and seems to be less dry and "in your face djent" sounding than the Aftermath in this particular clip, still waiting anxiously for sound samples showcasing other styles this pickup can do :D
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Recieved my Juggernauts today, ordered open set with reversed neck
I've wired as John Petrucci's music man (EP1111 and push/push coilsplit)
Damn, these pups really screams. A perfect match for my dark Dellinger
(http://apa.nu/cap_jug_jp.jpg)
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Would love to hear more of your impression.
Please do consider writing a full review and perhaps even make some clips playing more classic metal and rock styles if you are able.
It would be most appreciated!
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
well, the black winter and nazgul are clearly based on the painkiller and aftermath, so that would be pointless
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Very nice Wall of Sound (copyright Devin Townsend)
Nope... Phil Spector :lol:
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
well, the black winter and nazgul are clearly based on the painkiller and aftermath, so that would be pointless
Really? Duncan are making BKP copies now?
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I have to say, never judge a book by it's cover. After the latest Misha vid, they sound incredible. Definitely nothing like the Distortion afterall. I'd love to try a set of these. I really look forward to hearing more clips and how they respond in different guitars :)
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Just seen the Dimarzio site. It seems Jake Bowen from Periphery has his own new set of signature pickups called the Titan. So seems both the Juggernaut and Titan were both released simultaneously by both companies. Will be interesting to see how these compare as they're both from Periphery
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To me it sounds like BKPs take on Duncan Distortions/Black Winters. It has that sound to it. Obviously it will have BKPs own twist, but I think it's in that ballpark!
well, the black winter and nazgul are clearly based on the painkiller and aftermath, so that would be pointless
Not to mention neither one of those pickups were out when Tim and I started work on this one. The design was aspiring to do something new rather than cover ground that had already been tread.
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Here is a video for those of you who wanted a more in-depth video on my new signature Bare Knuckle Pickups Juggernaut set, as well as a chance to hear it through some raw tones (clean, mid gain and high gain on several pickup positions):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JgKOjTTqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JgKOjTTqg)
Hope you guys dig!
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i really like the way these are showcased in the new video. thanks for helpin us get a better idea misha.
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That was very helpful Misha, thanks a load!
I think you might have just sold me that PU. I am still a little caucious, but mostly cause it seems a little too good to be true, as it just seems to do what I want out of a modern metal PU so well.
Now I just need a baritone axe and these...oh the money...
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Thank you Misha, that was a very helpful video.
Would you say these pickups are more for a bright sounding guitar, like a superstrat, rather than a fat and dark sounding Les Paul?
My personal problem is that I'm becoming more and more confused what the differences between Miracle Man, Painkiller, Aftermath, Blackhawk and now the Juggernaut are. It seems that they might be fairly subtle.
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Thank you Misha, that was a very helpful video.
Would you say these pickups are more for a bright sounding guitar, like a superstrat, rather than a fat and dark sounding Les Paul?
My personal problem is that I'm becoming more and more confused what the differences between Miracle Man, Painkiller, Aftermath, Blackhawk and now the Juggernaut are. It seems that they might be fairly subtle.
+1 I really want to try the Juggernauts but unsure which guitar to try them in to get a better feel of what they are capable of. I know Tim said on Facebook that the work well in ESP Eclipses, but I'd be interested to hear how they respond to Superstrats and especially Basswood guitars like the RG series or Musicman JP6 series. Hey even the JP12 which I guess has more of a les Paul warmth to it.
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you guys could always send tim an email too. they know just as well what guitar will really suit the juggernaut in what way you're lookin for
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Thank you Misha, that was a very helpful video.
Would you say these pickups are more for a bright sounding guitar, like a superstrat, rather than a fat and dark sounding Les Paul?
My personal problem is that I'm becoming more and more confused what the differences between Miracle Man, Painkiller, Aftermath, Blackhawk and now the Juggernaut are. It seems that they might be fairly subtle.
+1 I really want to try the Juggernauts but unsure which guitar to try them in to get a better feel of what they are capable of. I know Tim said on Facebook that the work well in ESP Eclipses, but I'd be interested to hear how they respond to Superstrats and especially Basswood guitars like the RG series or Musicman JP6 series. Hey even the JP12 which I guess has more of a les Paul warmth to it.
The Jackson in the video has a Basswood body. They were also tested rather heavily in korina, mahogany and ash bodied guitars as well. The Juggs seriously sound amazing in all of those woods!
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i love that blue jackson. also very cool that it was tested in so many different situations
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To be honest Im getting more and more concerned about those pickups. Things that bought me were clean tones (in my opinion one of the best out of contemporary section, way better than HD for example) and lead neck tone.
Wooaah! Heavy lead demo is purely insane and immense.
The newest video uploaded by Misha gives more info about what those beauties are capable of, but still Im not convinced 100%. My main concern would be that LEAD neck tone. Hope it`s not too messy and tight enough for screaming leads, sweep picking ect.. They are like that on 'heavy lead demo' but not as much on newest video.
Any thoughts?
Still waiting for more samples.
Cheers.
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Are they gonna make 8 string juggernauts?
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Are they gonna make 8 string juggernauts?
I believe they mentioned somewhere that it is being worked on and should be released at some point.
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Are they gonna make 8 string juggernauts?
I believe they mentioned somewhere that it is being worked on and should be released at some point.
yes. i've definitely read that multiple times. as far as i know, theres no scheduled date of release for them but knowing BKP it wont be very long.
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PS Tim also suggested I try the Juggernaut - he says its very versatile - might have to go for that!!! 8)
Tim also suggested again the Juggernaut so I'm quite tempted to try that too
Now this has got me interested in the Juggernaut all of a sudden.
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I would love to see some comparison to another BKP pups from contemporary range (HD,MM,Nailbomb) especially as well as Juggernauts compared with EMG 81/60 set. Juggernauts will be more open and dynamic than EMG for sure but being curious tone-wise.
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I would love to see some comparison to another BKP pups from contemporary range (HD,MM,Nailbomb) especially as well as Juggernauts compared with EMG 81/60 set. Juggernauts will be more open and dynamic than EMG for sure but being curious tone-wise.
Well the Black Hawks are meant to be the EMG replacement. Spec wise, they look fat like a Tone Zone. Big bass, but the exception being tight like a ceramic. They're a pickup unto themself. I don't think there's a pickup out there that will be anything like this. I've only seen the ceramic/alnico hybrid done once, and I believe that was from Bulldog pickups as a custom order.
I agree though and would like to hear comparisons :)
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I've only seen the ceramic/alnico hybrid done once, and I believe that was from Bulldog pickups as a custom order.
EMG's new '66' pickup also uses an Alnico / Ceramic combination but with an Alnico V magnet and ceramic pole-pieces. It looks as though pickup designers are becoming more and more creative in terms of the materials they use and the way they use them, which can only be a good thing for us.
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I've only seen the ceramic/alnico hybrid done once, and I believe that was from Bulldog pickups as a custom order.
EMG's new '66' pickup also uses an Alnico / Ceramic combination but with an Alnico V magnet and ceramic pole-pieces. It looks as though pickup designers are becoming more and more creative in terms of the materials they use and the way they use them, which can only be a good thing for us.
Well you never know, in 30 years, we could be looking back on Alnico/Ceramic pups like we look back on PAFs. Musical gear will always be evolving. I look forward to future seeing what happens. It would be really cool if BKP was still going strong in 30 years (well DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan have) and lookng back at posts made on the forum 30 years earlier and reminiscing on the "old" gear that today is revolutionary haha
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It's certainly not a new concept - I was having Kent Armstrong make me pickups with a mix of ceramic and alnico in the same pickup 20+ years ago.
But it seems to be an idea whose time has come round again and hopefully we'll have some fun with it
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BKP just posted this one on their FB page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIiMvfpgJg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIiMvfpgJg)
and i'm going to throw this out there, i think he made those pickups sound AWESOME.
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Damn...lets stop posting examples of this PU, ok? The more I hear of this the more I get GAS.
That newest one littleredguitars2 posted has some sounds I would really love to get for my In Flames style drop A# riffing. Adding my own bit of flavour to those and I am home.
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Seriously! The clip I posted has me wanting a set now.
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Damn G.A.S. and damn BKP! Now I need to add them juggs to my "need to have" list together with the Rebel Yell and the Blackhawks. My poor student wallet :(
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seriously. i'm feeling the same way. but i dont think i have any guitar that would suit that pickup.
es335 - definitely not
les paul just got a set of rebel yells.
telecaster is being sold
3 alder body strats. which i dont think would suit the pickup...
i do eventually plan on buying another les paul when i get my tax return next year. but i was thinking of getting either Mules for it. or going the metal route and putting mules or something similar into the es335. not sure.
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Actually I can see them work in strats in my mind. I mean that slightly rounded high end the generally slightly dark and smooth voicing...seems pretty well fitting for a strat.
Where would you see the issue?
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telecaster is being sold
You obviously haven't heard any clips of the Piledrivers ...
I'm warning you, it could give you GAS
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telecaster is being sold
You obviously haven't heard any clips of the Piledrivers ...
I'm warning you, it could give you GAS
the tele is only being sold because i just dont play it enough anymore. and its an HH tele anyway. but yes i know the piledriver well.
Actually I can see them work in strats in my mind. I mean that slightly rounded high end the generally slightly dark and smooth voicing...seems pretty well fitting for a strat.
Where would you see the issue?
yeah maybe you're right
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Do you happen to know, how the alnicos and the ceramic magnets are assembled inside of the bridge pickup?
Are those two identical coils consisting of ceramic magnets with alnico parts (or the other way around), or does each coil have a different magnet built in, resulting in a completely different module?
Im wondering, if i could use the pickup as two completely different coils, when i play them in split.
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Do you happen to know, how the alnicos and the ceramic magnets are assembled inside of the bridge pickup?
Are those two identical coils consisting of ceramic magnets with alnico parts (or the other way around), or does each coil have a different magnet built in, resulting in a completely different module?
Im wondering, if i could use the pickup as two completely different coils, when i play them in split.
i really doubt one side is alnico and one is ceramic but i could be wrong. i would ask ben or tim directly by emailing them
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Do you happen to know, how the alnicos and the ceramic magnets are assembled inside of the bridge pickup?
Are those two identical coils consisting of ceramic magnets with alnico parts (or the other way around), or does each coil have a different magnet built in, resulting in a completely different module?
Im wondering, if i could use the pickup as two completely different coils, when i play them in split.
i really doubt one side is alnico and one is ceramic but i could be wrong. i would ask ben or tim directly by emailing them
apparently, a centered alnico 5 bar (probably 4mm thick like the ceramic models) and a pair of ceramic 8 flankers (as in the aftermath and painkiller), as the website description suggests
what actually is most appealing to me is that it has symmetrically wound coils
I wonder if it has poly or enamel coated wire (or formvar)
sounds like a tamed and more balanced aftermath/rebel yell hybrid without the upper mid spike and a smoother response
and that's exactly what was missing in the bkp line, in my opinion
I really wanna try that, and I'm not even into hot pickups anymore
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yeah i'm quite interested in it as well. i dont NEED new pickups in one of my other strats but i'm thinking of just trying one out one of these days
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To my taste the last 2 videos (Misha and Fluffy man 8)) recently uploaded are not as much convincing as audio samples presented on BKP website.
The more I dig into Juggernauts the more cautious I get. If neck pickup does really sound as good as it does on the 'Heavy Lead Demo' BKP audio clip Juggernauts are true winners, but Im just wondering in the bridge pickup would be tight enough to cope with e.g fast stacatto riffing Hetfield style or turn into complete mess?
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without hearing the same guitar, through the same rig with pickups being the only difference I really cannot say "wow ,that pickups sound amazing". all I can say from those videos is "well, that sounds great as it was always when misha/nolly recorded something". but nothing THAT special I couldn't get with other BKP contemporary pickups. usually it's something that only guitar player himself can describe and it's not that noticeable in the recording as some of people here said they can hear from those videos.
having VHII in the neck and reading that the goal was basically "less high end" with bridge pickup my GAS disappeared very quickly and it seems that bridge pickup wouldn't be as much good choice as PK was for me - I like brighter guitar sound. PK is considered as too much bright or someone say harsh sounding pickup but it fits to my guitar with lots of low end very well and I can't say it's harsh sounding.
but maybe I'll give bridge pickup a chance when I'll have some free money
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Im just wondering in the bridge pickup would be tight enough to cope with e.g fast stacatto riffing Hetfield style or turn into complete mess?
I've never played a BKP humbucker that couldn't do that
and I had A LOT of them
and we're talking about a bulb signature pickup :lol:
I believe James had a duncan invader on master of puppets era, and THAT pup is a mess
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having VHII in the neck and reading that the goal was basically "less high end" with bridge pickup my GAS disappeared very quickly and it seems that bridge pickup wouldn't be as much good choice as PK was for me - I like brighter guitar sound. PK is considered as too much bright or someone say harsh sounding pickup but it fits to my guitar with lots of low end very well and I can't say it's harsh sounding.
well, a painkiller is a painkiller
and it's the best at what it does
I wouldn't trade my riff raff for anything either
finding the right pickup a particular guitar and pair of ears can be long and costly task
if you already did it, no reason to bother, unless it's for another guitar
I really wanna try the jugs, but they definitely wouldn't replace the riff raff/mule set in my main guitar
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Tone is everything when playing a guitar , right ? , whatever style of music is your thing or whatever feel you are aiming for and we all know that fitting a BKP is the best starting point for transmitting what you're capable of with your fingers , to your speakers of choice , so is what happens between the pickups and the speakers , ie , tone and volume controls on your guitars , effects and amps.
My fave BKP's are my set of Painkillers which some describe as harsh , and they can be if spine disecting tones are your thing , but rolling back on the volume and tone and amp gain and they can do flutey jazz and chicken pickin Tele sounds as well as a lot of other styles in between, which is why none of my guitars have just a pickup selector or a kill switch and no master volume and tone controls . All my Ibby RG's have been fitted with dual pots for individual volume and tone control of each pickup, 3 on my HSH ones and to my ears , these allow me to extract the full palate of tones and dynamics that any BKP offers , along with switches for coil splitting , phase reversal etc.
I'm sold on the Juggernauts , especially the bridge version and they'll be on my next order along with a Stockholm HS90 bridge.
All power to tone control :D
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Tone is everything when playing a guitar , right ? , whatever style of music is your thing or whatever feel you are aiming for and we all know that fitting a BKP is the best starting point for transmitting what you're capable of with your fingers , to your speakers of choice , so is what happens between the pickups and the speakers , ie , tone and volume controls on your guitars , effects and amps.
My fave BKP's are my set of Painkillers which some describe as harsh , and they can be if spine disecting tones are your thing , but rolling back on the volume and tone and amp gain and they can do flutey jazz and chicken pickin Tele sounds as well as a lot of other styles in between, which is why none of my guitars have just a pickup selector or a kill switch and no master volume and tone controls . All my Ibby RG's have been fitted with dual pots for individual volume and tone control of each pickup, 3 on my HSH ones and to my ears , these allow me to extract the full palate of tones and dynamics that any BKP offers , along with switches for coil splitting , phase reversal etc.
I'm sold on the Juggernauts , especially the bridge version and they'll be on my next order along with a Stockholm HS90 bridge.
All power to tone control :D
I can only second that. I use my Painkiller mainly for brutal, harsh and grinding metal, but when I turn down the Volume and the Tone Control on my guitar I can even do some blues :P
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A little more information - this is Ben's reply to my question as to how it would perform in a Fender style guitar in standard tuning:
"They will work very well with a standard Fender guitar. The bridge is hot and tight and modern in feel, but not harsh as the massive alnico v magnet warms up the tone slightly. The neck is pretty fat and full and will also be fine with a brighter guitar."
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Really interested in these. I'm considering a maple/swamp ash neck-through guitar sometime soon and these sound like they might fit that well, especially since my Engl has highs and presence to spare.
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The news about them being good in fenders is really making me want to try one. I really don't have much of a metal guitar and while this isn't strictly a metal pickup, it is definitely More than capable
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Here is a quick little test that Rick Graham whipped up after installing his set, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=647937618559958&set=vb.100000311770716&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=647937618559958&set=vb.100000311770716&type=2&theater)
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the link doesnt work for me
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You can get to it through his page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Graham/242827524717?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Graham/242827524717?fref=ts)
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wow that was great playing
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Rick Graham is an ace on the guitar. Amazing technique, fast, very clean and expressive. However I always find it hard to really judge the sound of pickups when they are played through the Axe-FX :P
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Yesterday my bareknuckle juggernout 6 bridge covered arrived home ! im going to install it in my g&L swamp ash body, maple neck and ebony fretboard and as soon as i test it, i'll do a deep review and i'll compare it with the alnico warpig and ceramic nailbomb ( the two previous pickups that was in the guitar )
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looking forward to the review
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Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Just make sure the review finds its way into Kiichis Review Thread :)
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Rick Graham is an ace on the guitar. Amazing technique, fast, very clean and expressive. However I always find it hard to really judge the sound of pickups when they are played through the Axe-FX :P
Did you watch this video ? He played a Rhodes amp - Keith Merrow's to be exact.
Yesterday my bareknuckle juggernout 6 bridge covered arrived home ! im going to install it in my g&L swamp ash body, maple neck and ebony fretboard and as soon as i test it, i'll do a deep review and i'll compare it with the alnico warpig and ceramic nailbomb ( the two previous pickups that was in the guitar )
Dear god do it quickly, my wallet is itching right now :P
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Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Just make sure the review finds its way into Kiichis Review Thread :)
If he posts it I find it and add it. I am somewhat on the lookout for reviews here and have a look in just about every thread =)
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Rick Graham is an ace on the guitar. Amazing technique, fast, very clean and expressive. However I always find it hard to really judge the sound of pickups when they are played through the Axe-FX :P
Did you watch this video ? He played a Rhodes amp - Keith Merrow's to be exact.
Ah my fault, sorry. I'm used to him playing through the Axe-FX. Just proves once again how awful a biased stance can be :lol:
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Rick Graham is an ace on the guitar. Amazing technique, fast, very clean and expressive. However I always find it hard to really judge the sound of pickups when they are played through the Axe-FX :P
Did you watch this video ? He played a Rhodes amp - Keith Merrow's to be exact.
Are you sure you're not confused with Ryan Bruce's demo video?
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Rick Graham is an ace on the guitar. Amazing technique, fast, very clean and expressive. However I always find it hard to really judge the sound of pickups when they are played through the Axe-FX :P
Did you watch this video ? He played a Rhodes amp - Keith Merrow's to be exact.
Are you sure you're not confused with Ryan Bruce's demo video?
Oops my bad ! Sorry. Who the heck is Rick Graham ? Gonna check his videos.
By the way, I'm buying a Juggernaut bridge pickup right now. Tim said I should give a try. I'll post a video comparing this one with the Holydiver. Cleans, high gain chugging, and solos in perspective... huehuehuehuehue
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Dear god Rick Graham is awesome !
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yeah rick graham blew my mind in that video. i still really want to try one of these... but i've spent almost $1000 with bare knuckle in under a month... i need to calm myself haha
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vee0MJO0PE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vee0MJO0PE)
Ola is amazing, but i feel like all the stuff he reviews usually sounds roughly the same.
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I find this " review" less harsh than usual :lol: but i think it depends more on the fact that the explorer is mahogany and not ash, like his signature guitar.
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You will have a central magnet - like on any humbucker - I believe this is the alnico 5 magnet
However on the outside of the screw polpieces you have flanking magnets where the wooden spacers would be on a vintage PAF
These are the ceramic magnets.
Many pickups have used the centre and flanking magnet arrangement (usually all ceramic though)
First time I heard of it was in Dimarzio Super Distortions and X2Ns (these were not the first to do it though)
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You will have a central magnet - like on any humbucker - I believe this is the alnico 5 magnet
However on the outside of the screw polpieces you have flanking magnets where the wooden spacers would be on a vintage PAF
These are the ceramic magnets.
Many pickups have used the centre and flanking magnet arrangement (usually all ceramic though)
First time I heard of it was in Dimarzio Super Distortions and X2Ns (these were not the first to do it though)
the x2n has the flankers, but I believe the super distortion has only a thick center magnet
the gibson dirty fingers and 500t have the flankers
and so do the painkiller and aftermath
I suppose the jugs concept comes straight from underwinding the aftermath and swapping the center magnet for a thick alnico 5 bar, which is a great move
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I like the sound of these pickups in the Explorer.
Looking at the EQ chart I wonder how these would sound in an SG. The mid hump is not a good omen. Depending on where exactly in the mids it falls, it could provide an overbearing middy rasp, like in the videos I've seen of a Painkiller in an SG. I might be wrong though, because an EQ just for 'mids' doesn't tell the whole story. If some brave soul can try them in one I'd be interested to read the review
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I like the sound of these pickups in the Explorer.
Looking at the EQ chart I wonder how these would sound in an SG. The mid hump is not a good omen. Depending on where exactly in the mids it falls, it could provide an overbearing middy rasp, like in the videos I've seen of a Painkiller in an SG. I might be wrong though, because an EQ just for 'mids' doesn't tell the whole story. If some brave soul can try them in one I'd be interested to read the review
buy a bridge, and if you dont like it, send it my way haha
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I've just spent that money on an EVH Flanger ...
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I don't like any of the demos I've heard so far on these, it doesn't cut through the mix very well and sounds really weird on the low strings.
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I've just spent that money on an EVH Flanger ...
we can go halfsies? haha. if anything, i need to get my 335 sorted out first and i'm not ready to spend another couple hundred dollars yet haha
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My Jug will arrive at this week. I had Aftermath and Painkiller too. After I install and test it I will make some demos and share my experiences and the samples here. Guitar has swamp ash body, maple bolt-on neck.
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Just received mine ! Soon, photos, and video test ! Hell yeah !
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Make sure to let us know as soon as you have the stuff recorded! :D
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Correct me if I`m wrong, Juggs were created especially with lower tunings in mind, is that right? So basically that`s the area where they work at their best? And would they cope with lower tunings (flat E and C sharp in particular) better than Miracle Man set (modern metal playing style).
just a little bit in doubt :D
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considering it's low mid heavy voicing, I don't see why it would sound any less good than in lower tunings
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considering it's low mid heavy voicing, I don't see why it would sound any less good than in lower tunings
so versatility then?
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And would they cope with lower tunings (flat E and C sharp in particular) better than Miracle Man set (modern metal playing style).
just a little bit in doubt :D
Since when is Eb and C# considered a low tuning :lol:
Take it from a dude that plays in Drop-A and just received his set of Juggernaut 7s today
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C# is low tuning. Or at least it seemed that way when Masters of Reality came out. B standard is as low as I have ever tuned anything.
I wouldn't call Eb low tuning. It's been used for a very long time now.
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Eb tuning just sounds so... "right". not sure what it is
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Eb tuning just sounds so... "right". not sure what it is
my thoughts since I had like less than a year of playing
in most guitars, even the string and bridge setup seems to stabilize easier and play smoother with both light and heavy strings
maybe it was alice in chains and slayer's fault
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haha not sure the reasons but it really just sounds so much better.
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Eb tuning just sounds so... "right". not sure what it is
I fully agree. I guess it's because many many artists used it - Van Halen, Hendrix, SRV, Scorpions and almost any hair metal band in the 80s.
Cheers Stephan
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yeah van halen was a big one for me. same with hammerfall. old green day. etc. a lot of bands i listen to now though do Dstandard.
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As far as I know there's this conspiracy theory going round the internet that Nazis changed the standard tuning pitch from 432hz to 440hz and thus all our music nowadays "brings us out of balance with the universe". E-Flat is supposed to be nearer to the 432hz tuning and thus sounds better. I think we had a thread about it here on the forum somewhere. Don't believe me? Go ahead, google it :lol:
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was quite astonished to be honest, there`s an article about that:
http://www.zengardner.com/440hz-music-conspiracy-to-detune-us-from-natural-432hz-harmonics/ (http://www.zengardner.com/440hz-music-conspiracy-to-detune-us-from-natural-432hz-harmonics/)
on the other hand, novadays most bands tend to lower their tuning. Just noticed that most music styles are tending to be 'harder' and more 'bassy' and more in-yer-face due to the fact that people are looking for more intence experience from listening. I noticed that across most styles from pop to metal. Listen to some old school songs by Wham and compare them to some modern pop or even dub step. Same tendencies are presented in rock/metal as well. People are getting bored with standard E tuning, they have heard it milions of times through decades, they are gasping for something different. That`s way these days it`s 'harder' and 'more difficult' to be noticed and appreciated by public playing in standard E, most bands which are on the top of the world nowadays are lower tunned.
By the way e.g Metallica in last of couple of years are detuned as well (Eb???) (due to Hetfield`s worn throughout the years voice? Dont think so...)
Just a general thought. :lol:
cheers,
Lucas
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metallica's been playing in Eb for 18 years, actually (1995)
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Ok, so I installed mine yesterday, and it's awesome. Didn't test it much, only high gain stuff, but it sounded really really good. More to come real soon.
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Post some clips if you can! Mine just came in yesterday at my local dealer. Picking them up tomorrow and getting them installed in my Jackson Soloist. Cant wait!
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Write reviews guys I implore you! =)
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Done.
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Done.
Nice, thanks for kicking it off! First Jugg review added to the collection.
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(http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/131127/J_gernutt_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)
Arrived! Test tomorrow!
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This one looks badass ! :P
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I love the camo battleworn cover with nickel bolts. It blends very cool with my extremely figured maple top.
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Well, why did it become so quiet about Juggs? :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tq3a2K5J6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tq3a2K5J6s)
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Ricks playing is amazing, as well as that tone
I've been rocking out with my JUGGS for a couple of weeks. Really great pickups.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1SbURtaLl4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1SbURtaLl4)
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i've got my next few purchases planned at the moment. i'm finally saving my money long enough to get a les paul custom. and i'm debating putting juggernauts into that once i get it. but i've also been thinking of either putting a juggernaut, or a crawler into one of my strats. i know they are both very different. the crawler would be similar to what i have in there (seymour duncan invader) since they are both pretty dark. but i yearn for more clarity when i play it lately. the reason i'd maybe put a juggernaut in there is just because i have GAS and want one in general.
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I'd have thought a C-Pig would be closer to an Invader.
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I'd have thought a C-Pig would be closer to an Invader.
Output wise, definitely. Character wise, I'm not sure
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The Crawler is much softer in the bass than an Invader and although it has a growl to it, I'd say it's a good bit less aggressive too. Other than being prone to mushiness, I've always really liked the Invader and I seem to vaguely recall asking BKP about this some time ago. I'm sure they said that the C-Pig would be the closest to an Invader or maybe it was the A-Pig. It was certainly one of the Warpigs.
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The Crawler is much softer in the bass than an Invader and although it has a growl to it, I'd say it's a good bit less aggressive too. Other than being prone to mushiness, I've always really liked the Invader and I seem to vaguely recall asking BKP about this some time ago. I'm sure they said that the C-Pig would be the closest to an Invader or maybe it was the A-Pig. It was certainly one of the Warpigs.
I'll just chime in and leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFjMGHuNpOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFjMGHuNpOg)
Certainly seems like the Warpig is close to the Invader. I personally always liked the Invader (and own a set of em) apart from the already mentioned mush you get, and I really enjoyed the A-Pig for sharing certain aspects with it, just being way clearer. You just have that huge wall of sound going on which I love :)
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ive used an invader for 10 years. and only until recently have i noticed the "mush" after being introduced to how clear the BKPs are, (stockholm especially)
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Yesterday, finally installed my Jugg.
I play some cords on Lepou Legion with Redwirez IRs. On thursday will be the truth, I will plug it to my half stack. So now my first impression can be false. But I think the Jugg could be more Ola Englund signature than Misha. IT CHUGS INCREDIBLE! And extremly agressive when you play the right technique. I can't believe that it can happens but the bass is huge, deep and no hum, no mush. The high is sweet but clear at the same time. Again this is my first impression with plugins, not my tube amp. After I will test it in the right way I will make some sound samples with sm57 and md421. Differences between Aftermath and Jugg playing with Lepou plugins: Jugg has deeper and bigger bottom, lower treble focus so less harsh, all the mids sound like a bit scooped because of the lower mid focus but enough mids here.