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Title: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 10, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
for me, over the past few years i've grown to love the band I Am Abomination . naturally i asked the guitarist on twitter what sort of 7 string pickups he was using and he said the bare knuckle aftermath.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcFVboHo-8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcFVboHo-8)

what about you?
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: bucketshred on October 10, 2013, 01:23:38 PM
I was at the London Guitar Show years ago and saw a stand which had a Polka Dot Flying V fitted with a WarPig through a Zakk Wylde Marshall. I thought that the pickup SLAYED and really got into the whole ethos of the company; its been a real pleasure watching it grow. I also found out about Feline Guitars at the show.

The forum helps too! Its a nice wee community.

Paddy
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 10, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
I just saw some random reference to them while lurking at everythingsg.com
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Plenum n Heather on October 10, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
Was playing in an old school metal band. Saw the web site. Spoke w Tim. Met Phil King. This began a long relationship w Tim, BKP, and PhilKing!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: AndyR on October 10, 2013, 04:35:35 PM
Big Rory Gallagher fan. Found some pickups called Irish Tours during an online search... company name was quite cool too. No guitar to put them in, though  (I hadn't had a working strat for years)

When my missus later bought me a new strat in 2007, it was a no-brainer, I had to have Irish Tours in it... (I did warn her when she was offering to buy it)

What we both didn't realise was that this would mean I'd end up with 9 (I think) sets of BKPs and a bunch of new guitars to put them in! :lol:

(btw, ITs didn't suit that strat, it has Sultans now, the ITs are in a much more Rory-like guitar)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Alex on October 10, 2013, 08:51:37 PM
Frustration with the Gibson 498t really. I wanted to keep the chrome look, but could only find Seymour Duncan's 59, Seth Lover and JB in that look in Germany at the time. So I saw a used Miracle Man with a cover on Ebay and just went for it.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Cam_H on October 10, 2013, 09:36:44 PM
For me it was the rumours of clarity, as well as the lower output models. I still personally feel DiMarzio do a better job of producing "vocal" pickups which really sing, especially at high gain. But you loose some of that tightness. There always has to be a compromise. I think BKPs tend to show up your playing more which is good from the aspect that it improves your playing, but it somehow doesn't feel as fluent - this is where players say it hides your mistakes. I think that's why I'm more of a DiMarzio player, not because it hides my mistake, it just does a better job of recording solos. But if I'm outfitting a guitar such as a Les Paul with some awesome pickups, I'd go BKP. For vocal Vai, Satriani, Petrucci style leads, I'd go DiMarzio.

I do intend of trying some BKP higher output models such as the Holy Diver though, so I could become a BKP nut shortly. This is just how I feel at the present time judging by listening to players play the pickups.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Kiichi on October 10, 2013, 09:42:06 PM
While looking for PUs to replace the horrible stock ones in my Ibby S series I stumbled upon them. Was nearly set on the Dimarzio Bluesbucker I think (cause they sounded incredible on one of the clips they used to have), the others I don´t recall, as I was not as sure about them. Asked Dimarzio customer service and was pretty disappointed in them.

Looked around for alternative PU makers, knowing only Duncan, EMG and Dimarzio at the time, thinking Duncans and EMG sucked. Saw someone mentioning BKPs (noting they have a lot of high end, which I like) and looked em up. What I came up with made them sound really nice on paper, so I went to the website.

Initially I was taken by the description and clips of the HD, Crawler and RY.

Asked in the forum and mailed the guys, both of which made for great experiences and ended up with my beloved RY bridge, IT middle, Mule neck set. Never looked back.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 10, 2013, 10:23:25 PM
Frustration with the Gibson 498t really.

Well the same thing brought me here really.  I'm pretty sure we are not alone!  Although I have to say that I liked the 498T a lot more than the 490R in the neck.  Then again I'm not much of a neck pickup guy.  I don't really get the value out of either of the BKP neck pickups I own - they just sit there doing nothing! - and have just bought a single pickup guitar ...
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Keven on October 10, 2013, 11:03:19 PM
Was a DiMarzio guy through and through until i needed pickups to replace the EMG's in my 7 string schecter loomis. I always went for the PAF type pups and I didn't have much choice back then so i searched online and came across BKP. shot an email to tim and he recommended me black dogs for my dirty needs and since then i've found no pickup to even come close in terms of pure tone. Every model i've tried have this awesome kick in the rear and honest guitar tone. BKP even made me taste high output ceramics which work for me, which is quite a feat as i've been a vintage alnico 4-5 guy for years.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 10, 2013, 11:25:28 PM
Frustration with the Gibson 498t really.

Well the same thing brought me here really.  I'm pretty sure we are not alone!  Although I have to say that I liked the 498T a lot more than the 490R in the neck.  Then again I'm not much of a neck pickup guy.  I don't really get the value out of either of the BKP neck pickups I own - they just sit there doing nothing! - and have just bought a single pickup guitar ...

some of gibsons pickups are nice but some like the 498 and 490 are just shite in my opinion. i can understand putting them in the lower model guitars but why put them in the custom shop stuff too? i dont get it
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: GuitarIv on October 11, 2013, 12:40:34 AM
Well, although this is a little bit embarrassing, I have to confess I was one of the Periphery Fanboys (I loved the Instrumental version of the first Periphery Album) and Misha used BKPs at that time and still does, so I went to the website, signed up at the forum and opened up a thread to ask which pickup would suit me the best for my needs. At first a bit shocked about the price I ultimately went for it and the Holydiver Bridge was ordered as the guys here had recommended it to me. I will never forget the sudden smile showing up on my face after I had hit a G Major Chord on my Strat. That Clarity, those Harmonics and that warmth that made the Duncan JB I was using previously seem like cr@p. Never looked back!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: JimmyMoorby on October 11, 2013, 12:57:31 AM
Just looking at different options and the covers look cool!

With the exception of the sinner because its so different to any thing else on the market I much prefer di marzio for single coils but its some of bkp's humbuckers which really cant be compared to any thing else.....much better than what dimarzio and seymour duncan are offering particularly for heavy metal type stuff.

I always wonder if the nailbomb is meant to be based on any thing because I cant think of any thing like it its just perfectfor what I want.  I also really like the vhii's and mules and the cold sweat neck.

There are other pickup brands who seem really good and id like to look into though.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 11, 2013, 01:04:13 AM
I didn't like the Rio Grande's in my HSS-strat. The Muy Grande bridgehumbucker was microphonic too. I wanted something clearer and more refined. Maxguitarstore, where I bought some of my gear, started to sell BKP's at that time. Did some research and got me a Crawler/Irish Tours-set. Still happy with it.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Alex on October 11, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
Frustration with the Gibson 498t really.

Well the same thing brought me here really.  I'm pretty sure we are not alone!  Although I have to say that I liked the 498T a lot more than the 490R in the neck.  Then again I'm not much of a neck pickup guy.  I don't really get the value out of either of the BKP neck pickups I own - they just sit there doing nothing! - and have just bought a single pickup guitar ...

And back then, Tim was the only manufacturer I knew of that made higher gain models with covers! I think that was definitely a market niche, letting customers choose whatever cover they want for their pickup.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 11, 2013, 09:49:29 AM
Terrible response.... I can't remember!  :oops:

Probably just saw an ad in Guitarist, I suspect, or a review somewhere.  And here we are.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: lamp on October 11, 2013, 01:27:58 PM
Mansons in Exeter recommended them to me when I wanted a new humbucker...that was a long time and a lot of pickups ago!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on October 11, 2013, 02:27:43 PM
Saw a small article about them pretty much just as they got started 10 years ago.
Then 9 years ago we were exhibiting opposite them at the 2004 London Guitar Show and I got to listen to them in a few guitars. We became a new dealer that weekend - one of the first(!) and then soon after ended up making an explorer guitar for Tim.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: DavidRees on October 11, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
Jonathan, I didn't know you'd made a guitar for Tim. Any pics?

David
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: darkbluemurder on October 11, 2013, 04:56:15 PM
Not sure where exactly I first read about BKP but I took the chance to buy a used HD bridge and CS neck on ebay. Put them in my PRS Custom and they beat every pickup previously in there. I still have that set even though it's not in a guitar at the moment.

cheers Stephan
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on October 11, 2013, 06:09:29 PM
Jonathan, I didn't know you'd made a guitar for Tim. Any pics?

David

We supplied it without pickups as Tim wanted to experiment with what he'd like in it.
(http://www.felineguitars.com/images/Guitars/pointy/Explorer%20-%20BKP%20%20Tim%20Mills/BKP-explorer.jpg)

Here is a pic of the Mules that Tim loaded it with
(https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1282.0;attach=538;image)

It may have had any number of pickups in it over the years though.
Great solid sounding guitar!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 11, 2013, 07:41:22 PM
thats an awesome explorer. i would love to get another one some day. how much would you charge for something like that? not sure if i'd prefer the strap button where it is compared to the gibsons though. not that it would be a big deal.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on October 11, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
Our custom stuff like that kicks in at about £2000.
Superbly made stuff though!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 11, 2013, 10:07:21 PM
Understandable.  I should check out your page and see what else is on there. 
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 12, 2013, 12:32:17 AM
Understandable.  I should check out your page and see what else is on there.

Careful!  There's lots of good stuff to tempt you!  :P
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 12, 2013, 12:56:54 AM
Understandable.  I should check out your page and see what else is on there.

Careful!  There's lots of good stuff to tempt you!  :P

yeah i already made that mistake. the LP style ones and the explorer above have me drooling
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: MDV on October 12, 2013, 01:17:17 AM
There were a few things that led me in that direction, but the thing that sealed the deal was this 'tim' guy on the other end of the phone that actually gave a $%&# that I got the tone I wanted.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 12, 2013, 02:35:18 AM
There were a few things that led me in that direction, but the thing that sealed the deal was this 'tim' guy on the other end of the phone that actually gave a $%&# that I got the tone I wanted.

I would trust Tim with my tone any day
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 12, 2013, 02:56:38 AM
That Explorer is stunning! Gotta get me one some day.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 12, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
That Explorer is stunning! Gotta get me one some day.

I do love Explorers and Vs, but I have come to the realisation that they are not designed for the smaller person....
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 12, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
The Explorer is not designed for the fatter person either.  No way I can play it sitting down. The V though a friend of mine who is a lot bigger than me plays almost exclusively.  He puts the V over his right leg when sitting.  Explorers keep sliding off my lap.  Mine has always been played standing up

SGs are fatty and shorty friendly ;)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 12, 2013, 11:17:59 AM
SGs are fatty and shorty friendly ;)

As a shorty, and a former fatty, I agree.  :lol:

Les Paul Juniors and Specials are also fatty and shorty friendly, of course, I can't post without mentioning them!  But the SG body contouring is particularly comfortable, you hardly know it's there.  :D
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Alex on October 12, 2013, 01:27:12 PM
The Explorer is not designed for the fatter person either.  No way I can play it sitting down. The V though a friend of mine who is a lot bigger than me plays almost exclusively.  He puts the V over his right leg when sitting.  Explorers keep sliding off my lap.  Mine has always been played standing up

SGs are fatty and shorty friendly ;)

It brings to mind Albert King!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 12, 2013, 01:33:57 PM
It brings to mind Albert King!

A fatty (although I wouldn't say it to his face....) but definitely not a shorty!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: PhilKing on October 12, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Saw an ad for the Crawler and love Geoff Whitehorn's playing.  I called Tim and we got on well and so I placed an order for an Emerald/Mule set (for Thin Lizzy/Kossoff tones), and a scratchplate for my PRS EG with a Crawler/BKP91/BKP91 set.  Then I started talking with Tim about other pickups and got several more sets (including an aged Apache set for my 57 strat).  Then there was the prototype Pig-90 that was ordered for a junior but the guy needed a soapbar - and I had a junior just begging for a pickup!

That was back in 2004.  Tim invited me to work on the stand at LGS 2005, where I met Jon and a few people from here.  Moved back to the States in July 2005 and met Ben shortly after.  Since then I've got most of the BK range in my guitars and am still in touch with Tim, Ben, Jon and lots of the guys here.   We did have a US BKP meet at my house in Hoboken one or two times too!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 12, 2013, 03:43:24 PM
i had my explorer for quite a while and i felt that it was reasonably comfortable  but i hate how it either needs to be hung on the wall, or on its own seperate stand. i like my guitar racks.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Stevepage on October 12, 2013, 05:45:30 PM
I was in a metalcore band about 10 years ago and we were using 7 string guitars at the time. I wasn't happy with the tone of the guitar I had so I was on the look out for a pickup that would better suit me.

So I checked out websites etc and every one was raving about the Warpig. So I took the plunge and ordered a 7 string Warpig. I was blown away by what it done to my sound, it really suited the music we were playing.

After that I had Holy Divers, Painkiller, Miracle Man, Nailbomb, Trilogy Suite and Sinner.

I don't have any BKP's at the moment but I am considering something for my PRS or my 8 string.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 12, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
It brings to mind Albert King!

A fatty (although I wouldn't say it to his face....) but definitely not a shorty!

Well I'm definitely not short, but the SGs have always been popular with shorter people - Angus Young!

I'm a great big guy so some people joke that the SG looks a bit like a ukele on me compared to how it looks on Angus Young, but I don't mind looking a little silly.  I did just buy a pink SG after all!

One problem I find with heavier guitars like Les Pauls is that because the guitar is further out in front of me than if I were a thinner person it places more leverage on my neck when on the strap.  This is a major reason why I prefer my SG to my Explorer.

The SG is the perfect guitar for me in terms of sound and shape. I really like the '60s neck on mine too
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 12, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
It brings to mind Albert King!

A fatty (although I wouldn't say it to his face....) but definitely not a shorty!

Well I'm definitely not short, but the SGs have always been popular with shorter people - Angus Young!

I'm a great big guy so some people joke that the SG looks a bit like a ukele on me compared to how it looks on Angus Young, but I don't mind looking a little silly.  I did just buy a pink SG after all!

One problem I find with heavier guitars like Les Pauls is that because the guitar is further out in front of me than if I were a thinner person it places more leverage on my neck when on the strap.  This is a major reason why I prefer my SG to my Explorer.


Well, then don't buy a fullsize Gretsch...  :)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 12, 2013, 06:47:08 PM
I had an ovation acoustic a while back.  It had a HUGE body size.  It stuck out so far if i played standing up.  Great sound though. 
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Ian Price on October 12, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
I remember getting into BKPs purely by chance. I was doing some guitar based research on t'internet and heard about a legendary collection of guitar parts stored under a bed.

A few clicks later and I was on here and considering my first order of BKPs.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: gwEm on October 12, 2013, 11:06:02 PM
I can't even remember anymore, though I must have stumbled across them online.

It was just at the beginning of my playing. I'd recently realised through experimenting with DiMarzios what effect changing pickups could have. I wanted to get a proper NWOBHM tone out of my Vs, no other pickup manufacturer was talking my language there. Sent a few clips to Tim and he knew immediately Riff Raffs would be for me, and he was right of course.

Except for Aftermaths and Trilogy Suites I now have everything in the range that interests me ;)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 13, 2013, 12:57:19 AM
One problem I find with heavier guitars like Les Pauls is that because the guitar is further out in front of me than if I were a thinner person it places more leverage on my neck when on the strap.  This is a major reason why I prefer my SG to my Explorer.

I agree, I've always had trouble with LPs not just because of the weight - which, as some may have noticed ( :wink:) I constantly go on about - but also the sheer thickness of the body, it feels like a lot of guitar to reach around.

Now I have an LP which is quite light, and I don't have a fat gut any more, it feels a lot more manageable, but I don't think I'll ever be 100% comfortable with them.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 13, 2013, 01:14:43 AM
A les paul with a tummy cut would be awesome. 

Actually I just remembered the les Paul custom lite has a tummy cut and it is thinner in general.  Not sure if it is chambered though
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 13, 2013, 02:22:53 AM
Actually I just remembered the les Paul custom lite has a tummy cut and it is thinner in general.  Not sure if it is chambered though

Yeah, it has the thinner body and "traditional weight relief".

Almost a very, very desirable guitar..... unfortunately Gibson dropped the ball (again) by making it with a rosewood board - Customs with rosewood boards just look wrong.  :x
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: juansolo on October 13, 2013, 12:32:49 PM
Bought a PRS SE for peanuts online that happened to come with a pair of BKP-91s fitted. It sounded outrageously good considering, so I thought I'd try some more...
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 13, 2013, 02:13:04 PM
Actually I just remembered the les Paul custom lite has a tummy cut and it is thinner in general.  Not sure if it is chambered though

Yeah, it has the thinner body and "traditional weight relief".

Almost a very, very desirable guitar..... unfortunately Gibson dropped the ball (again) by making it with a rosewood board - Customs with rosewood boards just look wrong.  :x

you're a maple man? i love me the rosewood. but i'm also very curious about the baked maple
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: _tom_ on October 13, 2013, 02:20:09 PM
I wasn't completely happy with the stock pickups im my Epiphone LP Custom, wanted more clarity. Was gonna go for some Gibsons or SDs but saw I could get some Mules for pretty much the same price so I went with those! Made sense to have something handwound and made in the UK rather than some random overpriced factory made pickups!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 13, 2013, 02:50:18 PM
Actually I just remembered the les Paul custom lite has a tummy cut and it is thinner in general.  Not sure if it is chambered though

Yeah, it has the thinner body and "traditional weight relief".

Almost a very, very desirable guitar..... unfortunately Gibson dropped the ball (again) by making it with a rosewood board - Customs with rosewood boards just look wrong.  :x

you're a maple man? i love me the rosewood. but i'm also very curious about the baked maple

 :lol:  No, ebony!!  A Les Paul Custom should have an ebony board!  Rosewood is for Standards.  :D

If they couldn't get ebony, they could have used richlite, at least it's the right colour.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 13, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
you're a maple man? i love me the rosewood. but i'm also very curious about the baked maple

A maple fretboard is a Gibson purist's nightmare ... pretty sure he was referring to ebony ;)

Besides the '70s and '80s basses, the only Gibson with (non-baked) maple that comes to mind is the SG Raw Power of a couple of years ago.

(http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-7194-1273616058.jpg)

I would seriously love to have that guitar - but I'd replace the pickups with a C-Pig set ;)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 13, 2013, 03:07:30 PM
Don't get me wrong, I do like maple boards - on Fenders.

Yes, there have been a few other Gibsons with maple boards - these sprang to mind.


(http://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/graphics/L6S-1974.jpg)
(http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1977_Gibson_RD_Custom_72457025.jpg)
(http://pointyguitar.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/gw_11_91_gibson_miii.jpg)
(http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/otarabichi/Marauder-jw.jpg)
(http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/full_camo_bullseye.jpg)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 13, 2013, 03:10:33 PM
oh okay ebony makes more sense. i'm not a big fan of the maple look at all
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 18, 2013, 12:19:38 AM
I'm with Philly. Maple doesn't look right on most Gibsons. On Fender it does, or on Music Mans etc.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: GuitarIv on October 18, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
There's nothing that catches my eye more than a Gibson LP Custom with a nice binding and a deep black ebony fretboard. But a maple board? Just no. I love maple boards, but they have their place on Strats, Teles and 80's Superstrats. On the MIII I think it's ok, but everything else is not my cup of tea :P

Btw, after reading into the whole Richlite subject I found some Gibsons in the 3000€ department with said fretboards. Since when is it an excuse to use composite materials on such an expensive axe? Is Gibson running out of Ebony after the Government Raid?
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 18, 2013, 12:42:54 AM
Is Gibson running out of Ebony after the Government Raid?

In a word, yes.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: GuitarIv on October 18, 2013, 12:51:41 AM
Is Gibson running out of Ebony after the Government Raid?

In a word, yes.

Wow. I think it's pathetic to punish an instrument maker for the use of exotic woods when every year there are whole forests burnt down to make place for genetically manipulated soy and corn fields to please Monsanto and other reckless corporations...
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Dave Sloven on October 18, 2013, 02:41:35 AM
Yeah well I wouldn't expect the US government to do anything about Monsanto and their petro-chemical multinational mates any time soon, as they basically own the US government.  It's much easier to pick on an instrument manufacturer to look like you are doing something about the environment.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: GuitarIv on October 19, 2013, 03:55:40 AM
Yeah well I wouldn't expect the US government to do anything about Monsanto and their petro-chemical multinational mates any time soon, as they basically own the US government.  It's much easier to pick on an instrument manufacturer to look like you are doing something about the environment.

+1
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Alex on October 19, 2013, 11:52:25 AM
Yeah well I wouldn't expect the US government to do anything about Monsanto and their petro-chemical multinational mates any time soon, as they basically own the US government.  It's much easier to pick on an instrument manufacturer to look like you are doing something about the environment.

I wouldn't put it down to being the US governments fault. It's probably a quantity problem, because I bet Gibson churns out hundreds of guitars every month. They probably simply cannot get enough of the same quality anymore for the large production amounts they have to cover.

PRS produces a fraction of guitars every month. Smaller companies can cope better, because they require much smaller quantities. It is only a matter of time till they run out of ebony as well. I also think a lot of ebony on "cheaper" guitars (under £1.5K) is something dyed or baked.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 19, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
I mentioned in another thread that Taylor Guitars have now bought an ebony mill in Africa to try to use the wood as sustainably as possible. 

They also want to educate customers to understand that the wood doesn't have to be perfectly jet black to be "good" (although a Les Paul custom would look weird with a more colourful, figured ebony board - mainly due to the big block inlays, I guess)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 19, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
i had an explorer with an ebony board. it had a good sized brown streak in it and i thought it was really cool actually.

(http://i.imgur.com/EnRrTHs.jpg)

you can sort of see it from the 1st to about the 5th fret
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: _tom_ on October 19, 2013, 09:15:11 PM
That's a banging looking explorer!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Alex on October 19, 2013, 09:29:57 PM
I mentioned in another thread that Taylor Guitars have now bought an ebony mill in Africa to try to use the wood as sustainably as possible. 

They also want to educate customers to understand that the wood doesn't have to be perfectly jet black to be "good" (although a Les Paul custom would look weird with a more colourful, figured ebony board - mainly due to the big block inlays, I guess)

Yes, I saw that video once as well. I guess while it is a good idea to use all wood, some customers might reject it. I think we're more likely to see more Richlite and baked woods in the future.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 19, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
That's a banging looking explorer!

yeah... i miss her. not sure why i sold it.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 20, 2013, 01:26:47 AM
I've got a Warmoth neck with a (Macassar) Ebony fingerboard with multi-coloured streaks in almost perfectly straight lines, it's almost like a rainbow of colours and really beautiful.  These pictures don't quite capture it properly:

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/IMGP4937_zps331ca025.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/phillyq/media/IMGP4937_zps331ca025.jpg.html)
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/IMGP4822_zpsf72da822.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/phillyq/media/IMGP4822_zpsf72da822.jpg.html)


 
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 20, 2013, 01:51:09 AM
I've looked into warmoths ebony necks a bit and I always thought the macassar was really cool
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Kiichi on October 20, 2013, 02:00:33 AM
Wow...you really have treasures under your bed...that board is insane.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 20, 2013, 02:12:37 AM
Great piece of ebony there, Philly!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 20, 2013, 02:23:26 AM
Believe it or not, I have actually sold off a lot of my Warmoth stuff, in the realisation that I was never going to get round to building anything with it!

But I had to keep that neck, it just looks so good and it's also a 9.5" radius which I prefer to the 10"-16" compound radius.

The problem is deciding what colour body it would suit.  I think with all those colours in the ebony, it might go best with a plain black body so nothing clashes.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Telerocker on October 20, 2013, 11:58:33 AM
Or Olympic White with brown tortoise guard.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: PhilKing on October 20, 2013, 01:53:21 PM
I'd put it with burgandy mist - but then that is one of my favourite custom colours!  It looks really nice,  I've a kingwood fingerboard on a tele from them that has great graining too (though mine is actually a full working guitar  :lol:)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: GuitarIv on October 20, 2013, 04:41:56 PM
Once upon a time there was a bed. Under it was the Holy Grail of guitar necks waiting to be put to a good use and many adventurous guitarist set out to a long journey to find it. Eventually it ended up on EBay...
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 20, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
I'd put it with burgandy mist - but then that is one of my favourite custom colours!  It looks really nice,  I've a kingwood fingerboard on a tele from them that has great graining too (though mine is actually a full working guitar  :lol:)

What is this "working guitar" of which you speak?  :lol:

Burgundy Mist might work, but I'd have to have the neck painted with a matching headstock.  Kingwood is cool, they used to have loads of it a few years ago but you never see it now.

Or Olympic White with brown tortoise guard.

I like that colour scheme a lot (and I may put together a similar guitar!), but the streaks in my ebony board aren't quite how they look in the pictures - as well as orange/brown there are also hints of purple and even a sort of olive green, which wouldn't go with the tortoise.

Once upon a time there was a bed. Under it was the Holy Grail of guitar necks waiting to be put to a good use and many adventurous guitarist set out to a long journey to find it. Eventually it ended up on EBay...

No, this ones not going on eBay.  I actually only have two Warmoth necks left "under the bed" now.

(Lots of bodies, though.....)
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:02 AM
Do you have warmoth "Gibson" body?
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 21, 2013, 08:51:41 AM
Do you have warmoth "Gibson" body?

I've got one Les Paul style body, but it's flat-topped swamp ash, drilled for a hardtail Strat bridge - so more like a Tele body in a LP shape.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 22, 2013, 01:42:25 AM
Do you have warmoth "Gibson" body?

I've got one Les Paul style body, but it's flat-topped swamp ash, drilled for a hardtail Strat bridge - so more like a Tele body in a LP shape.

hmmm sounds pretty cool. i like the concept. is it just money keeping you from finishing these projects?
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on October 22, 2013, 02:15:53 AM
for me it came from frustration with what I was hearing, I wanted a more classic sound, and the BKP's sounded the best after listening to all the other competition.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 22, 2013, 08:44:31 AM
Do you have warmoth "Gibson" body?

I've got one Les Paul style body, but it's flat-topped swamp ash, drilled for a hardtail Strat bridge - so more like a Tele body in a LP shape.

hmmm sounds pretty cool. i like the concept. is it just money keeping you from finishing these projects?

Haha, no, money's not a problem.  It's procrastination and sheer laziness!  :lol:

But I do have a much busier life than I used to, and my spare time is limited.  I could definitely get more done than I actually do, but I don't like to spend just an hour or two on something then put it aside, I like to have time for a clear run at it.... and that never seems to happen.

What I need to do is take these "projects" one at a time, and get them sorted out.  Instead of that, I keep having different ideas, thinking about them a lot, buying parts.... and never seeing them through.
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: littleredguitars2 on October 23, 2013, 01:11:26 AM
yeah thankfully i've been pretty good at getting one thing done at a time but every time one idea is done, i have another to take its place and its maddening..
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: PhilKing on October 23, 2013, 04:28:47 PM
I actually only have two Warmoth necks left "under the bed" now.

(Lots of bodies, though.....)

Hmm - doesn't it start to smell after a while (or are all the bodies mummified by now!).

I know what you mean about time.  My issue at the moment is space since the hurricane sandy flood we had.  I always find that if I get up early and start on a guitar, then I will get it done pretty quickly (assuming I have all the parts together and know what I am going to do).  Perhaps you could team up with someone to get them done too.  It seems a shame to have all the bits but never get a guitar out of them.  Ben used to push me a lot, since I would make his guitars or do setups on them.  Having someone else's guitar to get done makes you stop procrastinating!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 23, 2013, 06:50:35 PM
I actually only have two Warmoth necks left "under the bed" now.

(Lots of bodies, though.....)

Hmm - doesn't it start to smell after a while (or are all the bodies mummified by now!).

They're thoroughly dessicated, Phil.  :lol:


I know what you mean about time.  My issue at the moment is space since the hurricane sandy flood we had.  I always find that if I get up early and start on a guitar, then I will get it done pretty quickly (assuming I have all the parts together and know what I am going to do).  Perhaps you could team up with someone to get them done too.  It seems a shame to have all the bits but never get a guitar out of them.  Ben used to push me a lot, since I would make his guitars or do setups on them.  Having someone else's guitar to get done makes you stop procrastinating!

Oh god no, I'm not a team player!

You're right though, having a deadline or some kind of incentive would motivate me.  I am capable of being very focused and hard-working when I have reason to be - like I am with exercise and diet since I got diagnosed with Type 2.  I'm also a creature of habit; if I could just get one guitar done the others would probably virtually take care of themselves.

Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: PhilKing on October 23, 2013, 10:43:06 PM
Oh god no, I'm not a team player!

You're right though, having a deadline or some kind of incentive would motivate me.  I am capable of being very focused and hard-working when I have reason to be - like I am with exercise and diet since I got diagnosed with Type 2.  I'm also a creature of habit; if I could just get one guitar done the others would probably virtually take care of themselves.

You're in London aren't you?  I'm not 100% sure of my schedule but next time I'm there, if I have time then I am willing to come over and help you get the first one together.  We can discuss type 2 problems and other wonderful things as we get the work done!
Title: Re: What turned you on to Bare Knuckles?
Post by: Philly Q on October 23, 2013, 11:27:00 PM
Yes, I'm in London.  I don't know about being press-ganged into building a guitar  :wink: , but it would be great to meet up next time you visit.  :D