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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: JimmyMoorby on October 30, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
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I've never been into fuzz pedals before but as i've got into playing my strat more and more and playing SRV, Hendrix type stuff ive really wanted to get a big strat sound and I can only seem to conjure polite and pretty tones out of it at the monent which is cool but I always prefer an in your face sound.
I know tone is in the fingers but it seems like a fuzz pedal might help and i'm thinking thick Blackmore, Hendrix, SRV, Robin Trower type tones and if theres some thing which can give even more massive low end and a bit more ott then all the better.
The wampler leviathan has caught my attention but im really open to suggestions as this is very new territory as im a fuzz virgin!
Just to be clear this is for single coil/strats. Cheers
Edit - SRV is prolly misleading.......ignore!
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Thickening strats up with fuzz, that would be a big muff. As to which, that depends on just how thick you want it... At the Gilmour end of the spectrum there is the Cornish G2 and Skreddy P19. At the other end there's the likes of the Skreddy ?Lady (possibly a bit extreme in this case) and a whole load of stuff in between.
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well, at least three of the guys you mentioned used fuzzfaces, Blackmore just turned his amps up really loud (200w Marshall Majors?)
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Well I guess I want some thing that can definitely do hendrix and blackmore stuff really well but with a massive wall of sound to it so really nothing is to extreme so long as it can pull off the vintage stuff too if that makes sense.....
Im curious as to how much you could thicken up a strat with a pedal
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Well I guess I want some thing that can definitely do hendrix and blackmore stuff really well but with a massive wall of sound to it so really nothing is to extreme so long as it can pull off the vintage stuff too if that makes sense.....
Im curious as to how much you could thicken up a strat with a pedal
This going to sound like I'm being an awkward bugger.. but I'm really not.. Fuzz is not about big walls of sound (well... yeah, it can be but..), and there's more than few types of fuzz, and they all sound different. Blackmore didn't use fuzz, and a fuzz pedal isn't going to give you that, thats a cranked powerful, ready to sh*t itself non master volume marshall amp.. I believe he did use a treble booster into it sometimes, but that just adds grit, and isn't actually a treble booster, but more an upper midrange freq booster. but the main component there is a really crazy loud marshall..
With Hendrix and SRV, they used Fuzzfaces into, again, crazy loud master volume marshalls (in SRV's case for his higher gain stuff).
Walls of sound, of the type you're thinking of have one component in common. Really loud non MV amps. the best way to get there add resaonable volumes is a low wattage marshall style amp, cranked, with a FF. and probably at least a 2x12. Those guys were pushing serious air.
Another important element to the sound of Hendrix and SRV was the clean up of a FF with use of the guitar volume. you get a really nice sparkly smokey clean with a bit of grit to it. FF's are also very bottom endy.
Fuzz is actually quite a subtle thing, it can be very versatile and very hard to work with.
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Well I guess I want some thing that can definitely do hendrix and blackmore stuff really well but with a massive wall of sound to it so really nothing is to extreme so long as it can pull off the vintage stuff too if that makes sense.....
Im curious as to how much you could thicken up a strat with a pedal
This going to sound like I'm being an awkward bugger.. but I'm really not.. Fuzz is not about big walls of sound (well... yeah, it can be but..), and there's more than few types of fuzz, and they all sound different. Blackmore didn't use fuzz, and a fuzz pedal isn't going to give you that, thats a cranked powerful, ready to sh*t itself non master volume marshall amp.. I believe he did use a treble booster into it sometimes, but that just adds grit, and isn't actually a treble booster, but more an upper midrange freq booster. but the main component there is a really crazy loud marshall..
With Hendrix and SRV, they used Fuzzfaces into, again, crazy loud master volume marshalls (in SRV's case for his higher gain stuff).
Walls of sound, of the type you're thinking of have one component in common. Really loud non MV amps. the best way to get there add resaonable volumes is a low wattage marshall style amp, cranked, with a FF. and probably at least a 2x12. Those guys were pushing serious air.
Another important element to the sound of Hendrix and SRV was the clean up of a FF with use of the guitar volume. you get a really nice sparkly smokey clean with a bit of grit to it. FF's are also very bottom endy.
Fuzz is actually quite a subtle thing, it can be very versatile and very hard to work with.
Youre not being awkard I know what youre saying.
I know SRV had a fuzz face but he had a very lo-gain tone any way so I shouldnt have said him and I knew Blackmore didnt use any fuzz pedals (Im not sure what gear he used other than marshalls/engl and strats/gibsons). The only fuzz guy is Hendrix.
Its hard to explain exactly what im after but im sure pedals are the way to go. Sure pedals can only get you so close if at all but there are obviously pedals which will get you your own sound or a sound close to another guitarist e.g disortion/overdrive pedals based on actual amps.
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Good luck on your search Jimmy!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJYBOj7Cfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJYBOj7Cfc)
i always wanted a fuzz pedal that could get me sounds similar to the second half of this video. granted, i know he has them built into his guitars because manson guitars are awesome. and i assume he's using mississippi queens in this guitar as well. since those are the only p90s of bk's that i know he uses
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i always wanted a fuzz pedal that could get me sounds similar to the second half of this video. granted, i know he has them built into his guitars because manson guitars are awesome. and i assume he's using mississippi queens in this guitar as well. since those are the only p90s of bk's that i know he uses
Well Belamy is known for using the Zvex Fuzz Factory. Like with just about all fuzzes it is pretty easy to clone too, build one myself and might do another modded version sometime.
The Fuzzfactory is really cool, can give you a good variety of fuzz sounds, from classic velcro to the very extreme when you start to turn down the stability up to self arpegiating 8 bit stuff. I really like it. I however do not think that it is the most classic fuzz so for JimmyMorby it might not be the best choice, but for you littleredguitars2 the Fuzzfactorty would likely be the ticket.
This reminds me that I wanne build more fuzz pedals. Some Devi Ever stuff mostly. Legends of Fuzz for example. Awesome lowfi stuff. Lots of that to do....muahahahaha.
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MXR made these limited hendrix fuzzface, octavio, and univibe pedals last year.
I don't know where to get the univibe but i do know someone with the other two in stock, and at lower prices than you'll find on ebay. You'd have to have them sent from Australia and pay duties (if any) though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on71lU5sNW4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on71lU5sNW4)
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i always wanted a fuzz pedal that could get me sounds similar to the second half of this video. granted, i know he has them built into his guitars because manson guitars are awesome. and i assume he's using mississippi queens in this guitar as well. since those are the only p90s of bk's that i know he uses
Well Belamy is known for using the Zvex Fuzz Factory. Like with just about all fuzzes it is pretty easy to clone too, build one myself and might do another modded version sometime.
The Fuzzfactory is really cool, can give you a good variety of fuzz sounds, from classic velcro to the very extreme when you start to turn down the stability up to self arpegiating 8 bit stuff. I really like it. I however do not think that it is the most classic fuzz so for JimmyMorby it might not be the best choice, but for you littleredguitars2 the Fuzzfactorty would likely be the ticket.
This reminds me that I wanne build more fuzz pedals. Some Devi Ever stuff mostly. Legends of Fuzz for example. Awesome lowfi stuff. Lots of that to do....muahahahaha.
Sweet I will have to check them out
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For the Marshall wall of sound you could also check out their own Guv'nor pedal .
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The clips I've heard of the Wampler Velvet Fuzz sounds really good. Check it out.
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Hi,
try Wampler Velver Fuzz. It came aout not that long time ago and to my ears it sounds fantastic. Never tried one, but you can go many directions from Gilmour to Hednrix and beyond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Dd9rdOaMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Dd9rdOaMg)
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Wampler were the the first brand I thought off just because im so impressed with the wampler pinnacle I own.
The velvet fuzz sounds great but having heard the wampler leviathan it seems to do vintage tones extremely well and the even more ott stuff too saying that wampler are on the expensive side which is a drawback......
Im gonna keep my eye out for a lot of these suggestions on flea bay as the more well known brands like mxr and marshall will have a good re sale value.
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When it comes to Wamplers they are truly great, indeed.
I already have Triple Wreck distortion, Ego Compressor and Plexidrive overdrive pedals by Wampler.
But in my opinion you have to be careful with Wampler pedals because I found them not very transparent when it comes to conjuction with the amp you plug them in. On the other hand it might be a good thing, but their sound depends VERY much on the amp you`re using.
From the cr@ppy tone you might get an astonishing one by changing the amp.
Of course all pedals are dependant on the amp, but I find Wamplers more than the others.
but, yes that sound of Velvet Fuzz from that video is encouraging and alluring as well.
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I might go off on a rant on the use of the word transparency....most of Wamplers pedals are "amp in a box" or high gain distortion.. only a few would be lower gain from my reading of the product list.. why would the former be transparent.. the whole point is to change the sound of the amp.
Fuzz is definitely not supposed to be transparent. If you buy a FF, you know it's going to sound like a fuzzface, same with a Tonebender, Big muff, Shinei, etc etc
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Yes, I agree. The whole point is to change the sound of the amp. What I meant was that apart from being 'amp-in-box' and changing your tone completely, the overall and final tone of the Wampler depends more on the amp. Get Wampler pedal and amp X and amp Y and your tone on the same settings of the pedal will differ much more than if you would do the same operation with other pedal (having those mentioned above amps).
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The Fulltone 70s pedal will do those tones too, quite similar to the Wampler Velvet Fuzz in tone. The Fulltone '69 pedal is probably more Hendrix/SRV and will do the lower gain fuzz stuff better too.
My top suggestion would be for a Roger Mayer Spitfire fuzz - I've been gigging one for about six months and love it. It works just as well with the fuzz high into a clean amp or alternatively as a booster to an overdriven amp with the fuzz set lower (how I use it at gigs).
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I actually bought the wampler pinnacle as backup in case I did a gig any my amp broke down but its so good I use it as a booster for solos too seems a waste to just leave it lying around.
Never heard of the roger mayer ones but that one sounds great as does the mongoose and axis!
Any way has any one got any suggestions on any really good value fuzz pedals? Thinking for my first one I should be sensible and go under £50 as from past experience buying pedals I always feel really shite about my self when I spend a fortune on one and end up noticing some thing else which is better be it weeks or months down the line.
Maybe I should go with the ehx big muff as it has good re sale value?
I know the nine of swords pedals work perfectly for doomy stuff but has any one ever play them with a strat and got good results? Theyre reasonably priced too.
Dare I say I was also looking at the biyang fz10 and it sounds pretty good for what it is..... any one got any experiece?
Cheers
Jim