Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Jonesy on March 12, 2006, 06:59:41 PM
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Has anyone compared a genuine floyd rose witha liscensed copy?
im just wondering if its worth swapping from a copy to a genuine one :roll:
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OFR is far superior!
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Depends which copy you're talking about.
The old Ibanez Edge trems are generally regarded as a good alternative, but cost wise I think actually work out more expensive to buy ( www.ibanezrules.com has them for $235, whereas an average OFR costs $160 odd as far as I remember). Last time I was looking, it was actually cheaper to import from the US rather than buy in the UK.
The Gotoh floyd is quite highly rated, and costs a bit less than both the Edge and OFR.
There's also the Schaller model, which as far as costs go, I think is fairly close to the OFR. Schaller make the actual OFR as it is as well.
Apart from these ^ most floyd copies aren't worth looking at IMO.
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Depends which copy you're talking about.
The old Ibanez Edge trems are generally regarded as a good alternative, but cost wise I think actually work out more expensive to buy ( www.ibanezrules.com has them for $235, whereas an average OFR costs $160 odd as far as I remember). Last time I was looking, it was actually cheaper to import from the US rather than buy in the UK.
The Gotoh floyd is quite highly rated, and costs a bit less than both the Edge and OFR.
There's also the Schaller model, which as far as costs go, I think is fairly close to the OFR. Schaller make the actual OFR as it is as well.
Apart from these ^ most floyd copies aren't worth looking at IMO.
seconded almost to the letter. Schallers are actually dearer than OFR's (unless i found somewhere selling OFR's very cheaply, lol)
I went for the Gotoh one, but i haven't got it installed yet, as the studs are too big and I have to get my guitar drilled out!
cheers!
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Has anyone compared a genuine floyd rose witha liscensed copy?
yes my Aria had a Floyd Rose 2 which was a licensed copy, but it is cheaper to make that the original ones. the knife edges on the copy wore out (even though I rarely used it).
just to echo what dave said, the studs were slimmer on the copied version. i kept the existing studs rather than replace them with the fatter versions.
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I think that the Gotoh FRII is THE best available FR type trem. It comes in standard and low profile variants. It is extremely well engineered and has been the subject of many years of ongoing development, unlike many of the other FR's available. There are some single locking Gotoh FR's about on Ebay etc but these appear to be cost reduced OEM gear, probably grey imports or similar so watch out for these.
WD Music Products do the Gotoh II at a reasonable price; I'd personally recommend them unless you want to chance the will I / won't I get caught for VAT and duty importing from the US.
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just to echo what dave said, the studs were slimmer on the copied version. i kept the existing studs rather than replace them with the fatter versions.
I had thought of that, but WD told me that it'd void the warranty if I did that. Plus, the Gotoh ones look better quality (my old ones are starting to wear) and they're locking studs too, which the Ibanez Lo-Trs ones aren't.
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Got a Gotoh fr on my Legra axe. Its fine. Sturdy and stays in tune a-ok.
The cr@p 'FR style' ones tend to be the ones on low end guitars, you can buy the trems on ebay for £15-£30 :E
Also a good setup go's a long way... a guy in my local shop had a budget ESP which he spent a while tweaking and it stayed in tune just as well as his OFR equipped 80's Kramer (both were gigging axes too).
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Well, even the best ones suck at the best of times. Hipshot tremsetters are a must. If you service your trem regularly, and put vasaline petrolium lip stuff around the knife edges, and have a hipshot, and properly stretch strings, even the lowliest of trems can be perfectly abused while returning and staying in tune.
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hipshot?...
are these gotoh ones double locking do u no?
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Well, even the best ones suck at the best of times. Hipshot tremsetters are a must. If you service your trem regularly, and put vasaline petrolium lip stuff around the knife edges, and have a hipshot, and properly stretch strings, even the lowliest of trems can be perfectly abused while returning and staying in tune.
I haven't tried them, but I hear that hipshots stiffen the feel of the floyds, as the extra springs in it makes the trem stiffer. This is worth bearing in mind if you like the trem to be silky smooth and very responsive (like me).
The Ibanez backstop supposedly does the same thing as a tremsetter, but doesn't stiffen the feel as much. Out of production, unfortunately.
Also, I disagree that even the best ones suck at the best of times. I love Floyds.
(I edited the above to be less ambiguous and confrontational)
Back to your original question, here's the good Gotoh one: http://wdmusicproducts.co.uk/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=wduk&Product_Code=GE1996TC&Category_Code=TRMLS
It's double locking. You have to buy the locking nut separately, mind.
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i never had a problem with my schaller. EVER.
restringing, seting up, dive bombing.
if the trem is well maintained, and of good quality, you dont need any extra gimmicks for it.
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What about the Mystical Tremol-No?
Am waiting for my Unicorn to drop one off right now :)
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Met a guy who has tried Tremol-No (as Allparts is here in Houston) and "HE" loved it.
Looks like a VERY simple device and should do well, IF they ever get em made in order to sell them :)
http://www.tremol-no.com/
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http://www.tremol-no.com/videos/T-NoDemoLarge.mov
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^yeah, the tremelno looks good. But as far as I can see, it has a few limitations:
1) Doesn't increase the tuning stability of full-floating mode at all (whether or not that's necessary, I'll let you decide, but still). as far as I remember from the video I watched (on the tremelno website) full-floating mode is unaffected.
2) It keeps going on about "break a string, still be in tune!" This is only true if you had the foresight to be in either "dive-only" or "hardtail" mode before you broke a string. If you're in the middle of some steve vai antics (which, lets be honest, are a major cause of strin-breakage, lol), it won't help. "hmm, i think I'll break a string in the next 30 seconds, better change to hard-tail mode!" :lol:
Still, it looks like a good idea. I doubt I'll ever get round to getting one though. :D
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Like the simplicity in design and ingenuity though. Looks very simple. Also at approx. $45 is not outrageous.
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Like the simplicity in design and ingenuity though. Looks very simple. Also at approx. $45 is not outrageous.
I thought it was $60?
Plus, when it comes over here it'll be "New from the USA- the unique Tremel-no system! Only £300! Because according to our bank's exchange rate, $60 = £300!"
Gah.
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May be $60 Dave, as it's still a "unicorn" who knows for sure.
Yeah, NOT looking forward to US made prices with UK price tags (hence my fervent buying whilst still here).
Darn, If I had few more grand I could buy.............................. LOL
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about the tremol-no, they can now be ordered on the usa allparts site. i did so and got an e-mail saying it should be shipping in april, in case i wanted to cancel my order.
i didn't cancel, but i admit i'm expecting to see it around..... november? :roll:
hey, i can live in hope
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This thread had umpteen complaints so I have removed most of the posts which went off the topic of the original thread.
Keep it clean, on topic and childishness free.
Thanks guys,
rgds
Ol.
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sorry, Ol.
I went over the top, I apologise.
I'll edit my original post too, I think the ambiguity of it is what started it.
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OFR > everything else
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OFR > everything else
I thought you said you had a Schaller?
anyway, I'd say the Ibanez brigade would argue with that...
EDIT: i suppose what I'm trying to say is that I'm against all these sweeping statements. A large amount of it is personal preference (assuming you aren't saying a squier amp is better than a Diezel, for example). For everyone who says "OFR is the best" I could find someone who prefers the Ibanez edge.
I have an original-style trem, and a lo-pro one, and I can't decide which I prefer, let alone whether I'd prefer an OFR or an Edge. :lol:
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OFR > everything else
I thought you said you had a Schaller?
anyway, I'd say the Ibanez brigade would argue with that...
EDIT: i suppose what I'm trying to say is that I'm against all these sweeping statements. A large amount of it is personal preference (assuming you aren't saying a squier amp is better than a Diezel, for example). For everyone who says "OFR is the best" I could find someone who prefers the Ibanez edge.
I have an original-style trem, and a lo-pro one, and I can't decide which I prefer, let alone whether I'd prefer an OFR or an Edge. :lol:
yes, i have a schaller, came with the guitar, works splendidly, no need to replace it.
$%&# the ibeenhad brigade for what its worth. 95% of those never even tried anything beyond their edge 2s and 3s and lo-trs systems. they think every floyd type is exactly the same. though, the gotoh edge is a very, very nice trem, both quality and soundvise, but everything else = teh total suck.
i dont trust jackson jt580's either. for minor to no abuse they hold up, but for everything more, they just dont cut it.
so, i'd throw the OFR and schaller along with the original edge lo-pro into the same bag quality vise, but they have a diferent feel and tone.
saying that, you'd have a bit of a pain fitting an ofr to most of ibanez guitars so you'd have to go with an edge there, but they are quite pricy
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^yeah, i ordered a Gotoh, it seems to be virtually the same as an edge, but the same size as an OFR (makes sense, since Gotoh made the edges, afaik).
In my defence, when i said the Ibanez brigade, I meant the Edge/Lo-pro, not the lo-trs etc. ( i have a lo-trs, it's awful!)
But yeah, i pretty much agree with what you say there.
I'm pretty much of the opinion (going by my limited experience) that OFR/Schaller/Edge + Lo-Pro/Gotoh are all good quality, and a lot of what you prefer is basically preference dependent on what feel you're used to.
That being said, I've heard good things about my Gotoh (haven't got it fitted yet, grrr, studs too big :lol: ), and I can't wait to get it fitted.
:D
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is the ibanez edge pro 2 double locking???
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^yes, but the edge pro is better. Save up for a guitar with an edge pro, if i were you. You might get lucky with the edge pro II, but if you don't, you'll be pissed off.
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IMO, the hit & miss with the 2, 3, lo-trs and anything apart of the japan/gotoh edges is just not worth it
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IMO, the hit & miss with the 2, 3, lo-trs and anything apart of the japan/gotoh edges is just not worth it
+1
Take it from a guy who had a "miss" lo-trs. The knife edges lasted about 6 months, if even that.