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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Elliot on March 13, 2006, 05:23:34 PM
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Apart from easy chord stuff like Ziggy Stardust or Dead Kennedy's three chord thrash I have never been able to do it - in saying that I have never really sat down a tried.
Is it something that can be learned? Does it come after practice or is it innate?
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our music teacher says it can be learnt.... but dunno if shes right.... i guess in theory it could be... you just get used to the notes and the intervals between them- 3rd 5ths 6ths e.t.c
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my old teacher could do it - yu'd hum him a tune and he'd play it, or he'd just playing along to whatever was on the radio next door, lol.
ohhhhh the envy 8) He learned it - he went to the guitar institute for a few years...
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I GUESS, that mineīs are Innate, but mixed with some trainning.
well i do this way : i get a riff, 4 notes sequence. power chords for an example.
First, i certify myself that the song i m trying to learn by ear is Tuned the same tune as one of my 3 guitars(E, c or D) if not, iīll find out, by ear, trying to find the low E string played alone and trying to find what note is that, and then.. i tune my acoustick or a cr@p guitar, to that tune, and then i start by trying to find where it the first note of that 4 notes riff.
and then i find the others.
but , you need to know some examples.. i mean, someoneīs have to show your your first steps first. cause, without refference, itīs a lot hard .
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I learned an entire album by ear. itīs not a easy one
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i just play by ear, i donīt know nothing about music theory, except the notes names.
no harmony or melody stuff.. no timing, but i have my own timing by learningn song by ear.
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You could also try and solo over the songs you listen to. It helps with playing the right notes for the right progression and helps with developing your ear
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I have spent most of my playing life playing by ear and whilst I did learn a fair amount of music theory fairly early on, I have relied upon playing by ear for, by far, the vast ,majority of work. Having said all that, there is definately a lot to be said for learning "the dots".Ideally both playing by ear and being able to read a score would be the way to go and I think the opportunities for guitarists are now better than they have ever been so go and fill your boots chaps.
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maaan i wanna need to learn some music theory...thnik ill get a book on it or sumthing :roll:
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bah, hendrix never knew any theory. screw theory...
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I doubt that Hendrix didn't know any theory, one of his biggest buddies was a jazz bass player, when he was in the army he used to jam with him. Plus all those years on the road in the US, you would learn so much.
Theory's no good without knowing how and when to use it. It's more important as an analysis tool, but it can open you up to new compositional possibilities.
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I doubt anything (music or otherwise) of any significance was ever acheived with a closed mind. :lol:
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Indy.. the more you know the better! I have started to get deeper and deeper into theory and I have found that it is opening the fret board up further than ever before.
You can never know to much.
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Anything can be learned given enough time and the proper instruction. If you're trying to learn stuff by ear do it one note or one chord at a time. Don't concern yourself with the phrasing. Never try and learn a section at a time, and practice practice practice.
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You can download programs like The Amazing Slow Downer that will, uh, slow down songs for you. I recommend that plus a set of headphones and a CD of songs you wanna figure out. It take practice, but it gets easier and easier.
My wife has the most amazing ear for music ever. She can hear a song once on the radio and a year later sing the melody in the right key, note for note.
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You can download programs like The Amazing Slow Downer that will, uh, slow down songs for you. I recommend that plus a set of headphones and a CD of songs you wanna figure out. It take practice, but it gets easier and easier.
My wife has the most amazing ear for music ever. She can hear a song once on the radio and a year later sing the melody in the right key, note for note.
:D My wife is like that too, great ear, except she whistles everything and it can get pretty fancy. :lol: Her brother has a great ear for figuring stuff out too, must be genetics.
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My eldest son has perfect pitch- I have never seen him caught out.
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My eldest son has perfect pitch- I have never seen him caught out.
That would be handy, it's quite rare. I'll just keep at it with the headphones :(
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:D My wife is like that too, great ear, except she whistles everything and it can get pretty fancy. :lol: Her brother has a great ear for figuring stuff out too, must be genetics.
Maybe it's something to do with how cold it gets here? :lol: It does something to your ears.
Hey, Beatle, there's a girl here I know who, as far as we can tell, has never sung a bum note, ever. These people are freaks! ;)
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I used to have a music teacher with perfect pitch and pretty much a photographic memory....listen to a piece of music he could play it or notate it and read a piece of music once and that was there for good - he used to do entire works from memory(Bachs St. Mathew Passion for one!)
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I always find my glasses get in the way.
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I can barely play except by ear! I mean, I can read music, sort of, in that I understand what the symbols mean in an intellectual sense. But I suck most egregiously at sight-reading! :oops:
This is especially true on guitar for me, since I have no idea what notes are represented by most positions on the fretboard. This comes of teaching myself to play by turning on the tape player and plinking along as best I can, that best slowly getting better (but never actually that good, you know! ;)).
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I used to have a music teacher with perfect pitch and pretty much a photographic memory....listen to a piece of music he could play it or notate it and read a piece of music once and that was there for good - he used to do entire works from memory(Bachs St. Mathew Passion for one!)
I wish I could do that. It'd be so great to listen to a song once and be able to work it all out just like that.
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I am VERY slow at reading and writing music, but I can do it just about.
I find that if I know a song well I can pretty much learn it instantly, once I know what something should sound like it's not too hard.
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I remember seeing an interview with Satch years ago where he said he learnt to play by ear by spending hours learning what all the different intervals sounded like, ie. 2nd, minior 3rd, 4th, 7th etc.... in each key then he identified what interval was used between notes in solos he was learning.
Sounds like quite a hard way of doing it but it must have been effective.
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The best way I've found to do ear training is to vocalise all the different intervals: play a note on your guitar and sing intervals above and below the note. You can do it randomly all over the guitar neck, or you can move up through a chromatic scale - as long as you sing the interval correctly, and name the notes as you sing them, it really locks your ear into the sound of the different intervals. Start off with say, major thirds, and as you get better, add in more and more.
Also, sing scales and arpeggios as you practice them - another great thing to do is play a chord and sing each note you can hear. The more complex and atonal the chord the better, cause it trains you to listen to a chord as a group of intervals, rather than just a wall of sound.
If your interested, look out for The Relative Ear Training Supercourse - a whole bunch of cds with loads of drills and exercises, where I found all this from - it's incridibly thourough, and takes you from recognising individual intervals to immediately naming complex chords and recognising melody lines straight away. I'm only midway through the first section of cds, but it's deffinately already improved my interval recognition. Bit expensive, but worth a look!