Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: littleredguitars2 on January 26, 2014, 11:45:00 PM
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well i finally ordered my juggernaut. been wanting one for a long time but was unsure about where to put it. my orange strat (shown) has had 2 pickups in it since its birth. a seymour duncan invader and (currently) a gibson dirty fingers. the SD works nice in most alder strats but this strat has a much darker voicing then my others. maybe because its a warmoth-made body and not the mexi fenders that i'm used to. i dont know. either way. i swapped it out for the gibson pup when i wanted a bit more clarity and while it helped, it still needs a bit more. and the juggernauts tone and description really intrigued me. really excited to finally have this new pickup. i was a little skeptical at first whether or not it would suit a dark voiced strat but here is what tim said.
Hi Jon
the Juggernaut would work really well in a dark voiced alder Strat - they're bright, tight and focused without sounding fierce in the highs.
Kindest Regards,
Tim
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Niiiiiiice. Really looking forward to your thoughts on it! I can deffo see it work in that guitar. I see big, clear and mean sounds. With the 5150 and Peavy cab that will likely kill.
And dare I hope that you might be....the ONE?!
The one that finally delivers some more classic rock and old school metal (NWoBHM anyone?) clips and impressions of this pub I mean.
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well i definitely dont play much with super low tunings and every clip i've heard has either been a 7 string or a really detuned 6string. so i'll definitely do what i can do show people how it sounds in other situations.
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Very interested to hear your thoughts. I was thinking of doing a warmoth project maybe this summer and was seriously consider maple neck / rosewood board / alder body with a pair of Juggs. I'm kind of leaning toward a 7 string in standard tuning though. i.e. B E A D G B E. I would be using it with a '93 2 channel recto.
If not a jugg, I'm thinking a warpig, holy diver, or maybe even a crawler set.
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yeah i'll definitely show it off quite a bit with my dual rectifier roadster and my 5150. if you've never used warmoth, its definitely worth a shot.
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You'd say Warmoth projects are comparable to production instruments, hey? Like think Gibson / Fender / Ibanez et al.
I'm still a bit up in the air about this. See, I wish I could get a 26.5 scale neck. I have no idea why 7 strings are 25 scale OR 28 5/8. If I want to play bass, I grab my bass. A 6 string soloist body with a sound similar to a hot rodded strat would also be cool, I just really need a guitar that does something unique to justify getting another axe. It seems that a lot of the 'modern sound' is really created by extended range (read excessively drop tuned) guitars and to do something similar, a 7 string is a necessary investment.
From what I've read about warmoth, the workmanship is quality but a full setup is basically required, whether DIY or by a qualified luthier or tech.
One idea I had was to get an alder routed body blank along with a maple neck / rosewood board. Then I could shape the body the way I wanted. Risky, perhaps, but also really fun.
But, the 7 string does seem like a better idea, even if the neck is only 25"
Aside from the pickups I already listed, it would be interesting to create a project that would accommodate a painkiller. I love the mid / upper mid boost as it is something that would work well with that mesa voice. It's just that the cost / work goes up considerably when selecting the sorts of woods that such a project would inevitably include. i.e. mahogany neck and body with a maple cap.
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yeah they'll give you what you need but you have to put it all together. thats the only downfall
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I would also be very interested in the outcome since I have a dark sounding strat as well. I had a Holydiver in it and currently a Miracle Man. It sounded good with both but still very dark with either.
Cheers Stephan
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yeah they'll give you what you need but you have to put it all together. thats the only downfall
Well, it's a downfall if you don't "want" to do the work, I suppose. I just would need the setup / fret dress done by my tech but I'm willing to assemble what I can myself. It's probably the closest I would get to designing / building my own instrument!!!
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yeah they'll give you what you need but you have to put it all together. thats the only downfall
Well, it's a downfall if you don't "want" to do the work, I suppose. I just would need the setup / fret dress done by my tech but I'm willing to assemble what I can myself. It's probably the closest I would get to designing / building my own instrument!!!
Sounds like it's definitely something you should do!
I would also be very interested in the outcome since I have a dark sounding strat as well. I had a Holydiver in it and currently a Miracle Man. It sounded good with both but still very dark with either.
Cheers Stephan
Yeah I imagine those would not work too well in that situation
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I would also be very interested in the outcome since I have a dark sounding strat as well. I had a Holydiver in it and currently a Miracle Man. It sounded good with both but still very dark with either.
Cheers Stephan
The Juggernaut isn't brighter than the Miracle Man, so if you're looking to brighten up the guitar, you'll need to look elsewhere.
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I've just bought mine Jugg. It has not enough "good" mids for my swamp ash. It will be very cool with all maple but not my axe. I'll try a Black Hawk in the near future and if it won't be my pickup, I'll order a ceramic Nailbomb. I like the classic bonecrushing mids and full frequency response.
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I've just bought mine Jugg. It has not enough "good" mids for my swamp ash. It will be very cool with all maple but not my axe. I'll try a Black Hawk in the near future and if it won't be my pickup, I'll order a ceramic Nailbomb. I like the classic bonecrushing mids and full frequency response.
This is just it, right? It's about trying to find the right match for the guitar more than it is about trying to make the pickup create the tone you want on it's own. There is this delicate balance between the acoustic tone of the instrument, the contribution of the pickup, the tone of the amp, and then the shaping quality of the speaker and the resonance of the cab. Finding elements that co-operate well together is tricky so for me, when I have something that works I'm very pleased and also hesitant to change it.
When I hear the recording of the Jugg with the Les Paul on the website, it sounds like it has bass, low mids, and then a big gap with the next peak being that purr on the top end. I suspect it would work far better with a very bright axe.
I wonder if there would be a way to record electrics being played without amps and then analyze the frequency spectrum to determine the correct pickup match?
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Yes, the Jugg has weak high mids. My swamp ash is a bright wood but have lows and lack of mids. This team creates a little lifeless, dark and scooped sound. At first I was happy about the great lows but after some hours of playing I missed the high mids. I think a lot about the Black Hawk and C-Bomb. Somebody compared them?
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I would also be very interested in the outcome since I have a dark sounding strat as well. I had a Holydiver in it and currently a Miracle Man. It sounded good with both but still very dark with either.
The Juggernaut isn't brighter than the Miracle Man, so if you're looking to brighten up the guitar, you'll need to look elsewhere.
Did you play them in the same guitar? From what I read so far i believed the Juggernaut to be a bolder and higher output Holydiver. I was quite surprised to now read that it should work in a dark guitar.
Probably Cold Sweat or Rebel Yell would be the ticket to brighten up dark guitars.
Cheers Stephan
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Yes, the Jugg has weak high mids. My swamp ash is a bright wood but have lows and lack of mids. This team creates a little lifeless, dark and scooped sound. At first I was happy about the great lows but after some hours of playing I missed the high mids. I think a lot about the Black Hawk and C-Bomb. Somebody compared them?
From what I've heard from the audio clips / descriptions on the website, this sounds like a job for the high mid monster aka the Painkiller!!
The trick to finding a pickup that works, I think, is to find one with an EQ curve that is the inverse of the guitar it is put in.
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My jugg shipped today! For those curious I ordered a black uncovered bridge with gold hex bolts
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I would also be very interested in the outcome since I have a dark sounding strat as well. I had a Holydiver in it and currently a Miracle Man. It sounded good with both but still very dark with either.
The Juggernaut isn't brighter than the Miracle Man, so if you're looking to brighten up the guitar, you'll need to look elsewhere.
Did you play them in the same guitar? From what I read so far i believed the Juggernaut to be a bolder and higher output Holydiver. I was quite surprised to now read that it should work in a dark guitar.
Probably Cold Sweat or Rebel Yell would be the ticket to brighten up dark guitars.
Cheers Stephan
Not sure, you might have misread? I'm comparing the MM and the Juggernaut here, not the HD and the Juggernaut.
The MM has a more aggressive top end response. Maybe the resonance frequency of the Juggernaut is higher, but the treble response on the MM is stronger and more hard-egded. Yes, same guitar.
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My jugg shipped today! For those curious I ordered a black uncovered bridge with gold hex bolts
I sure hope it will match with the chrome hardware.
Anyway, I'm sure you'll like it ! I'm not sure I could call that pickup "bright". But the lows are certainly ultra tight !
However, I didn't think it lacked hi-mids. My amp is pretty middy though (Mesa Boogie heh).
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eh i dont care if it matches haha. matching is overrated anyway
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eh i dont care if it matches haha. matching is overrated anyway
:lol: Get a pink pickguard then ! :P
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but nothing is sexier than the pearl my friend
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def keen to hear inpressions and demos of it through a tube amp . I am curious about em for my 7 just for the sake of a change. but every demo I see is through and AXE FX or other modeller and its hard to gauge
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https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30878.0 (https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30878.0)
At the end of my review, you can find a clip of the my guitar straight into my amp - a Mesa Boogie DC-5. There's a bit of post eq-ing. Other than that, full valve tone my friend ! But in Drop C.
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Not sure, you might have misread? I'm comparing the MM and the Juggernaut here, not the HD and the Juggernaut.
The MM has a more aggressive top end response. Maybe the resonance frequency of the Juggernaut is higher, but the treble response on the MM is stronger and more hard-egded. Yes, same guitar.
I did understand that you compared the Miracle Man to the Juggernaut. I only quoted a comparison between HD and Juggernaut I read somewhere else, and I had the HD and MiM in the same guitar and found them to be similar there. And thanks for providing the additional information, that clarified it for me.
Cheers Stephan
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STILL waiting on my juggernaut to arrive. according to the shipping info, its been stuck in New york since Feb 2nd and its not the first time this has happened either. it is seriously the biggest downfall for me when it comes to bare knuckle. i wish they offered some sort of expedited shipping for the US. i'd GLADLY pay extra to get it in less than a week. let alone 2 weeks.
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well she's finally here almost a month later. >_> anyway.. i decided to try it out in my new les paul first because i'm trying to get some ideas of what i want in the LP and to be honest, i may just keep it in there instead of putting it in the strat i intended it for. it sounds monstrous. granted, it has the wide spacing but it plays great and suits this lp quite well. that, and i'm really sick of waiting 2+ weeks for pickups to arrive.
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i know a lot of you had curiousities about this pickup since most reviews and demos show it in the djent style. so does anyone have anything that they'd like to see me do with it? certain styles, certain tunings, etc. i've only played it in Eb standard so far but like i said it sounds great.
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Play some Thin Lizzy on it. Can't imagine anything much further from djent than that
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Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak!
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Cold Sweat Lizzy tune also.
Then i can compare it to the Cold Sweat pickups.
Now i have an idea. The tune 'Holy Diver', Dio, Judas Priests 'Painkiller' and some Van Halen, so we do a comparison to the actual pickups :P
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Haha I'll keep those in mind
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg)
i forgot the van halen but i did as asked! check it out. let me know what you think.
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It certainly sounds different than I expected.
Just wonder how Juggs would perform in chambered Swamp Ash body / all maple neck guitar.
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couldnt help you with that one.
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Lol.....nice one dude. I didn't expect you to do the tracks that i asked :P but you did.
You have gone from a Riff Raff/Mule combo to a Jugg set in the LP Custom which is a bit of a difference.
Nice review though, keep it simple to show the tone of the pickup instead of noodling.
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Well like I said I'm just trying it out in the lp for now. I still plan on putting it in the strat. I just may wait on putting it into the strat until I get a set of SOMETHING for the lp. The juggernaut is definitely a contender.
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Why don't you try your spare RY set?
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just sold it the other day. they sound good but i want something different
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Really good to hear some different styles with the Juggernaut.
Will be interested to hear your demo when you move it to the Strat - I'm considering one for one of my Fenders.
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Very nice review man. The Juggernaut does Muse-tones very well, but I think the Mesa's gainchannels play quite a role too. I'm anxious to hear the Jugg in your strat.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg)
i forgot the van halen but i did as asked! check it out. let me know what you think.
I think it sounds really great.
I love mine more and more the longer I have it, its mid characteristic and punch is just great.
I also think it sounds perfectly fine in the standard tuning.
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I have practice today so I'm going to try it out with my 5150 before I move it to the strat but I'll be sure to update this page when I have more to show
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That was great!
Finally a non-djent clip so that we can tell what it sounds like playing other stuff
Thing that impresses me is how fast you went from being nervous about doing your own pickup changes to soldering pickups and pots in and out like it was no bother at all! Great work
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That was great!
Finally a non-djent clip so that we can tell what it sounds like playing other stuff
Thing that impresses me is how fast you went from being nervous about doing your own pickup changes to soldering pickups and pots in and out like it was no bother at all! Great work
yeah no kidding. its been saving me so much money. next i need to learn how to set the nut. i use 10-52s and the nut keeps pinching the strings. even lubing the nut with some graphite isnt enough. trying to just carefully file it right now.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuCNEite9gg)
i forgot the van halen but i did as asked! check it out. let me know what you think.
Thats exactly the kind of TONE i expected from demos. just a tad bit more output, and of course MORE DISTORTION. its almost mild overdrive. but besides of that. NICE AUDIO AND PLAYING.
any chances of a high gain lead with the neck pickup? im willing to get either a cold sweat neck, or something else from the bkp range. NUmber one choice is the COld sweat for the neck, but lest see.
Thanks for the CLIP man
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I only have the bridge pickup unfortunately. Otherwise I'd have shown that of too
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTmZtDzkes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTmZtDzkes)
took the guitar to practice. this thing sounded SO good. such great low end and really screamed on my 5150 amp. the audio from my phone is not great but i figured it was better than nothing.
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I wonder which BKP is closest to the Jugger. Maybe the Painkiller i am guessing.
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i really dont know to be honest. i'd like to know as well. the only downside in my opinon, is when buying a covered version of this pickup, it has the double row of adjustable poles so it doesnt look like the traditional pickup with just the outer poles showing through the cover
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That was great!
Finally a non-djent clip so that we can tell what it sounds like playing other stuff
Thing that impresses me is how fast you went from being nervous about doing your own pickup changes to soldering pickups and pots in and out like it was no bother at all! Great work
yeah no kidding. its been saving me so much money. next i need to learn how to set the nut. i use 10-52s and the nut keeps pinching the strings. even lubing the nut with some graphite isnt enough. trying to just carefully file it right now.
Setting up nuts and bridges is something I prefer to leave to tech. I don't have the finesse
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I could do it I'm sure. I just don't know what exactly to do lol
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That first clip is really good and helpful
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Cool! Glad I could help. It's definitely got that compressed sort of sound kind of like the aftermath but it's so much more than that.
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I wonder which BKP is closest to the Jugger. Maybe the Painkiller i am guessing.
it apparently has almost the same specs as the aftermath, but it's underwound in comparison and has a hybrid magnet configuration
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Yeah I definitely get that vibe from it. It's a little on the "dry" side but not like the after math
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How did it sound with the band at your practice?
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How did it sound with the band at your practice?
sounded well. the other guitarist uses a seymour duncan invader so it mixed quite well. even though the pickup is a little on the "metal" side compared to what we play. still sounded great
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just installed the juggernaut into the orange strat and it sounds VERY good. i dont have time to post any videos right now but i'll post one soon. just know that it works really well in the darker toned alder. keeps it balanced possibly better than the les paul did but i'll let you know after i've played it a bit more. also, i've noticed this pickup is very sensitive to how hard you pick. if you're gentle, it sounds so different than if you strum hard. very dynamic pickup.
i'll definitely update you guys soon!
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just installed the juggernaut into the orange strat and it sounds VERY good. ... just know that it works really well in the darker toned alder.
That's interesting to read, even though I for now have settled on the Black Dog for my dark alder strat.
Cheers Stephan
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Great job.
What neck/fingerboard does your Strat have? Sorry, don`t remember it now :D
So basically you can confirm that pickup sounds better in lower tunings than standard?
There`s no much difference tone-wise between alder and swamp ash apart from the fact that ash might have less mids, is that right? Both woods are pretty much similar and well balanced.
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Great job.
What neck/fingerboard does your Strat have? Sorry, don`t remember it now :D
So basically you can confirm that pickup sounds better in lower tunings than standard?
There`s no much difference tone-wise between alder and swamp ash apart from the fact that ash might have less mids, is that right? Both woods are pretty much similar and well balanced.
Maple neck. Rose wood fret board. I think lower tunings sound better in general so maybe it's just me. I'll be posting a video soon so you can get an idea.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlXEapP4M3E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlXEapP4M3E)
ok here is the update video. i tried to play most of the riffs i played in the les paul video. for some reason its showing up as audio only for me but hopefully that will be fixed soon. even so, all you really need is the audio i guess haha.
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Thank you so much mate. Now I am pretty much convinced that I will get a Jugg one day for an axe. It seems do do most of what I wanted the AM to do. Seems I am really on the same page as Bulb here, altough I have different musical goals. I still wanne try the AM in a nice baritone tuned to A# (I have it around after all cause I see a lot of potential) but that PU is more specific than the Jugg I think. The Jugg in a brighter guitar (upper mid heavy) could be all I ever wanted for a all around modern drop D guitar.
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yeah i dont particularly want an AM but that pickup was the reason i learned about BKP because of the band I Am Abomination. killer tones. the Jugg definitely has the AM essence to it but clearly it can handle a lot more. glad i could help you.
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yeah i dont particularly want an AM but that pickup was the reason i learned about BKP because of the band I Am Abomination. killer tones. the Jugg definitely has the AM essence to it but clearly it can handle a lot more. glad i could help you.
I have an AM set around and I think it is great, but also very specific to me. I tried it mostly in a LP and there it did not work for what I wanted. I do really like middy stuff, but his was too much. However in a Baritone I can really see this working. It was tight as f*ck and drier than the desert, so in a rather juicy Baritone it would work for what I wanted in my mind, which is a certain take on an In Flames type style of playing. In a LP tuning down that far s*cks and the extra mids did not help my case.
Still the neck was glorious for early Petrucci.
Now looking at the the Jugg I am mostly on the fence about how it handles dropped tunings compared to the AM, but I feel it is a lot more versatile in somewhat normal tunings compared to the AM and less picky about the midrange.
Since I am (not technically, but by feeling and upbringing) too old for the really modern music I was wondering about how the Jugg would sound with those (which really was my biggest concern, the versatility) and you did more to answer to that than anything else I have seen.
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After comparing both of your videos, LP and Strat ones, I can say that definitely like Strat much more. Juggs in that case really shine and sounds more interesting overall. To me in the LP it sounded little 'cheap' and 'common' not showing distinctive and 'core' voicing of the pickup at it`s best. In my opinion Strat shows pickup`s wider spectrum. Just like it more.
By the way, when it comes to LP I really liked those cleans at the end of the video. How does clean sound compare, `cause you haven`t shown much of 'clean' cleans with Strat.
many thanks, those videos are really helpful.
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How versatile is the Jugg? Can it drop the drive to classic rock or blues?
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While in my opinion Juggs sound better in brighter guitar, I have a question about the best and the most suitable wood combination for Juggs.
I`m in the middle of building Warmoth Tele 'from hell' :lol:
Basically I have a swamp ash body with maple top. Guitar will have set of Juggs. Will be tuned low to C#. It has to cover modern metal like Stone Sour, Killswitch Engage ect. I don`t want to go too djent, something in-between. Those tones of littleredguitars2`s Strat sounded brilliant.
And the question is... what neck wood combination would suit the best to above specs having set of Juggs in it?
While swamp ash body seems to be well balanced wood with little less mids than alder, I have a problem to choose matching neck.
Im stuck between all maple neck or a bit warmer Goncao Alves/Ebony board neck.
What would you recommend? I`m afraid that one-piece maple might be too bright.
And the other question is about weight. Swamp ash is light wood while Goncao Alves with Ebony fretboard is heavy neck. Im concerned if the neck will be going down due to its weight attached to light ash body. Im afraid that the guitar won`t be well balanced weight wise.
Thanks a million for your help.
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When I asked the guys at warmoth about tone woods for necks I was told that the fret board wood plays a way bigger role in the tone then the neck wood. I wrote go with ebony fret board personally.
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I like how it sounds in the Strat quite a lot. Definitely on the list of future purchases. Thanks for doing a really useful couple of demos to show how it's not just a one trick pony.
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Glad I could help. I plan on eventually mic'ing my rig and getting some more useful tones for reviews do when I do I'll be sure to show off the BKs that I have some more
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When I asked the guys at warmoth about tone woods for necks I was told that the fret board wood plays a way bigger role in the tone then the neck wood. I wrote go with ebony fret board personally.
funny enough, I`ve read some comments that it actually works the other way. I never had a chance to compare two identical guitars with identical pickups but different boards. And now I`m even more confused.
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Hmm I've never really heard that. There's said to be a difference between set necks, bolt on and such
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I like this pickup better in the Strat than in the Les Paul.
You made a winning choice!
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hell yeah. thanks to the BK team