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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Pierre on March 15, 2006, 01:35:21 PM
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Alright here's the rig for now:
Guitar => modded Vox V847 wah => Boss SD1 => POD 2.0 with floorboard => effects return of Laney AOR 30 combo.
The problems are:
The combo is way too big for my room and way too loud (all tube 30W... friggin' humongous amp!)
I have no money so I NEED to sell my amp, but I can't get more than around 150 pounds for it.
I LOVE tube so much I'm convinced a 15W tube amp would be great for me.
So... I'm a bit lost as to what to do right now. I can't seem to be able to sell the amp as it's hard as $%&# for me to ship it (student and poor...)
It's a bit of a vague thread I know, but I ran out of options that my demented mind could come up with. So I'd take any advise, any hint, it can only help from here.
I do have some money on the side but I NEED to sell my big amp first... It's what I do after that's the problem.
So what rig for a hardcore bedroom player? :D
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haha, how small is your room? anything smaller than a combo and you wouldn't get as good a sound. You might as well be playing through one of those tiny cigarette packet amps
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VERY Small... let me find a pic...
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/PierreEmmanuel/DSCF1763.jpg)
That's pretty much all the living space available to me. There's been another guitar in since then, and my amp has moved to the left of the desk.(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/PierreEmmanuel/DSCF1790.jpg)
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well dunno if this is gonna help at all but this guy at my school today was playing this song for the music concert tonight... and his tone was LUSH... i was amazed... went to see what he was using- a roland cube-30.... and the guitar wasnt great- some washburn thingymajig.... however, my mates told me he was using a pedal of some kind but none of them saw what it was.... im gonna find out tonight and get me one- it was the msot gorgeous tone ive ever heard in the flesh- seriously.....
also- might not even be an effects pedal- it might have just been a footswitch in which case im DEFINATELY getting one of those amps..... anyway.... ill report back later.... dunno what relevance this has if any but basically the little roland or the pedal could be a good cheap option for you- (the roland was pretty small)....
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No can do really.... A modelling amp to use a modeller on top? hehe... Nah. I couldn't control it with my feet either. If I go SS, it'd be standard SS and a GOOD solid state amp. I'm set as far as modelism is concerned :) Thanks!
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oh yeah lol.... modelling doesnt help you out much.... dunno then...
people always say how good the laney lc15 is... all valve 15 watt combo.... small..... ive got an lc30 and theyre awesome...
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If the size of the amp is the problem, and it's purely for bedroom/practice usage, why don't you just use some headphones plugged into the POD (assuming you're using the amp modelling in the POD)?
Muttley
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^ :o why am i such an idiot!??! :oops:
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I do, but I also MUCH prefer the sound of it amplified, and having a wee combo is just way handier. What to do with my money anyway? :D
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well to me lc15 sounds perfect- small, compact, 15 watt all-valve combo, great valve sound.....
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great valve sound.....
If he's using the modelling in the POD he's not going to be hearing much in the way of valve sound. ;)
Muttley
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what about the zVex Nano Head or one of these:
http://lovepedal.com/lovesquarebass.htm
?
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:lol: true but he said "i love tube, i think a 15 watt tube amp would be perfect"...... so.... yer... lol....
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yes but if he's a dedicated bedroom player whats the point in 15W valves?
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if hes a dedicated bedroom player whats the point in an amp at all? lol.... like muttley said if hes really a bedroom player in the complete sense of the phrase then headphones to the POD is the best option.... but the dude said he prefers it amplified and would prefer a small combo.....
maybe a 15 watt tranny then instead of tube?
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Howabout getting a hotplate for the amp you allready have? Loads of people seem to like em!
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yer but thomas... hes trying to physically shrink the size of his rig... not add to it....
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yep exactly. And the LC15R sounds more tube than many other tube amps I tried at low levels. 15W or lower, not just 15 is good for me. Furthermore when I do get a band, not all my friends have portable amps and this model is very versatile and easy to carry around. It's just be great. But yeah, if you haven't tried it yet, everyone should. It sounds great even at bedroom level.
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Anyone know what those Pignose amps like- they used to have a good rep though I have never used one myself. I just happened to spot one on the GAK site and was amazed to see them around as I thought they'd stopped making them years ago. Maybe Pierre if you see if anyone has one locally perhaps you could try one out.
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Anyone know what those Pignose amps like- they used to have a good rep though I have never used one myself. I just happened to spot one on the GAK site and was amazed to see them around as I thought they'd stopped making them years ago. Maybe Pierre if you see if anyone has one locally perhaps you could try one out.
The Pignose brand and design got bought out by some guy a while back. Apparently they sound good but are really unreliable. I was disappointed to hear that, because I'd always been interested in them after seeing them in Zappa's rig.
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Lose the bed. Then you can have a couple of full stacks, some more gutiars, and it can't be that hard to sleep standing up.
If volume is a problem down grading to 15W isn't going to help all that much, there's not generally much difference between 15 and 30. Really you're going to need either something with an attenuator or an SS amp. Is £150 all you can spend? If so, you'd be damned lucky to get a decent tube amp. I think a mircrocube would be your best bet - only 2W and it'll fit on your desk.
That said, if pierre's right about the LC15 (the R is more expensive), then it's certainly worth looking at. They are pretty small, too.
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I COULD Go for the LC15 and mod it myself for an effects loop if it's not too hard. One shop can buy my Laney for 100 pounds and I'd just have to pay 20 extra for the LC15. I'd just love the R version.
Hehehe nice about the bed :D Unfortunately I'm way too lazy for that ;)
Volume is a problem because the amp's master volume is way too sensitive where I have it now. I can't go past 1 when I play it without the POD. It reacts very quickly to any very small changes and it bothers me. With a smaller combo I may still have that but at least it'd be smaller AND I could carry it to any gigs I may have, whether I play or not.
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yer but thomas... hes trying to physically shrink the size of his rig... not add to it....
Sorry I havent read the thread properly, I thought he was just saying his amp was too loud to get a good tone at bedroom levels.
I'd go for a MiniMat to be honest :D However this wouldnt give you the compactness, as you'd have to have the head and cab..
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ok just got back from this school music concert... the guy i mentioned had a roland cube-30 (ss i think)..... dear god..... it was sublime.... pretty small, amazing tone and beautiful reverb (and i usually hate reverb).... i think im gonna sell my much loved crate and bag myself one.... gonna check the price now...
sounds like it would fit your requirements but just without the tube part....
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http://www.badcatamps.com/product2.asp?pid=105&mode=1
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The Minimat's HUGE for a 2 watt amp (well, the head isn't, but the cab is).
I reckon a good option would be a second hand Tech 21 Trademark 10. No valves, but all analogue circuitry, very compact, goes down to very low levels and sounds pretty darned good.
Now it really pains me to say this, because it sounds so much like a "fob off your old kit on some poor sap" tactic, but I'm selling my old Trademark 10. I was going to E-bay it, but if you're interested ...
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Tube + Modeller =
http://www.atomicamps.com/
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if i had the cash i would be froglord ^ how much you thinking of? pm if you want....
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If I've broken any forum etiquette with my post above (selling stuff on a non-selling forum) feel free to bitch-slap me. :wink:
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they look pretty interesting.... what do they do exactly?
seem like they could solve your problem pierre.... but then theres cost...
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Tube + Modeller =
http://www.atomicamps.com/
Yeah, thats probably what I'd actually go with in this situation, I've heard they are good.
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who are you asking Sam?
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If the Atomic thing is anything like plugging a modeller straight into the poweramp input/effects return on any normal valve amp then it will sound great for practising. I'm guessing it should do pretty much the same as this as that seems the design.. I'd probably go for that, or a Roland cube.. I'm actually thinkin about getting a Micro Cube for practising.
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I have a Micro Pube (due to upcoming move and voltage deficiencies here LOL).
It's ok for what it does, but if had bought my GT-8 first I would have probably just bought some headphones.
However, it does it's job and is cheap as well.
Guess also alows us to share our addiction with others too :twisted:
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I have a Micro Pube (due to upcoming move and voltage deficiencies here LOL).
It's ok for what it does, but if had bought my GT-8 first I would have probably just bought some headphones.
However, it does it's job and is cheap as well.
Guess also alows us to share our addiction with others too :twisted:
Ahh well its alot cheaper than the GT-8! I just cant get a good sound from my real amp at family friendly volumes. I dont want a piddly little sound like those Marshall Micro Stacks though!
Sorry I'm stealing the thread AGAIN :lol:
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Oh I read all there was to read about the Atomic. But it's just as big as my Laney and I have nowhere near enough money for it ;)
Tech 21 would be a good idea if I can get the POD in its effects return I guess. I'll check them out on ebay. They're not modelling right?
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All I meant was a modeller and phones is maybe just as good if not BETTER than a Small Small practice amp, for the money :)
Pod's, V-Amps etc. can be sourced reasonable. As can the Zoom that Sambo has.
Just my thoughts after getting both Tom :)
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Yeah thats cool, I allready have a modeller anyway, I hate wearing headphones whilst playing though for some reason. I've got my eye on a Cube 15 for a bit more beef :lol:
Pierre, I think all Tech 21 model stuff.. could be mistaken though?
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The Tech 21 isn't strictly modelling - it doesn't use software to digitally simulate classic amps. It uses a load of analogue electronics that have been carefully tuned to provide Fender, Marshall and Mesa sounds.
It does have an effects loop (as well as a headphone output for those midnight jams). I see from the web site that they've just discontinued them, so get mine while it's hot! :D