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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: littleredguitars2 on February 12, 2014, 11:02:45 PM

Title: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 12, 2014, 11:02:45 PM
(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif,c_limit,h_620,q_85,w_620/v1391707842/yulsd2pd59k2hj6odrkm.jpg)
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they were asking for $2600 or so but i offered a bit less today and it was accepted so i'm very excited. i can't wait to finally get my dream guitar.

 not sure what pickups are in there but if i ultimately choose to replace them, i will probably go with riff raff/mule. their description says (the neck position rates at 7.6kOhms and the bridge at 13.5k), which seems to be pointing to the 498t/490r combo

the nut was replaced i guess. looks like the standard nut in a les paul.

 it was professionally refretted which is cool with me. i dont need original frets and these ones look on the higher side which i like. which is probably why i got such a good deal on it too.

the knobs were changed but i'll be changing them back to the black speed knobs.

also apparently the weight is about 8lbs 15oz which seems very low but i'm cool with it. i dont THINK its chambered or weight relieved but who knows.

overall i can't wait to get this. i have been wanting this guitar for years. i never thought i'd actually own one. and the place i bought it from (chicago music exchange) has incredible reputation. they have sold some of the most incredible guitars in the world
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Philly Q on February 12, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Excellent!   I love the look of a Les Paul Custom.   :D

Do you know what year it is?  I think all recent Customs are weight-relieved, one way or another, unless they're Historic models.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 12, 2014, 11:29:41 PM
that makes sense. its a 2004. either way my back will thank me. i plan to play this one til i die
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Plenum n Heather on February 12, 2014, 11:56:56 PM
CME is one of the top shops here, you are in good hands.
Congrats!
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Telerocker on February 13, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
Oh you big spender, you've got yourself a black beauty! Kinda jealous here. Congrats, hope it doesn't weigh a ton.  :)
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 13, 2014, 12:11:07 AM
Yeah I had watched videos from CME for a while and they just had the perfect guitar for the perfect price so it was great knowing they were so good with selling and shipping rather than get it from some random ebayer. And yeah this is really the most I've spent on a guitar.  Sold my les Paul classic.  And used most of my tax return.  Still trying to sell those rebel yells though...
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: King Zog of Albania on February 13, 2014, 04:15:37 AM
... the neck position rates at 7.6kOhms and the bridge at 13.5k

(http://i.imgur.com/MuJl7aJ.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: metale on February 13, 2014, 06:07:42 AM
Very nice! I also like it a lot with the current knobs.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Philly Q on February 13, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
Very nice! I also like it a lot with the current knobs.

Yeah, they do look good. 

I always liked Peter Frampton's three-pickup Custom with the cream rings, black pickups and gold knobs.


(http://cbskluv2.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/peter_frampton_by_david_paul_morris1.jpg)
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Andrew W on February 13, 2014, 09:02:23 AM
That is a great guitar, I waver on this constantly but I think the Custom is my favourite of the humbuckered Les Pauls. It's hard making something look very rock and roll AND very classy at the same time but the Custom manages it. Lovely.

It needs a Kahler adding and scalloping the finger board though obviously.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 13, 2014, 12:00:32 PM
the knobs definitely dont look bad, but i'm just partial to blackspeed knobs.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: dave_mc on February 13, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
very nice :D
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dave Sloven on February 13, 2014, 01:11:46 PM
What are the tuners?  They look like Grovers
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 13, 2014, 01:40:12 PM
What are the tuners?  They look like Grovers

Grover for sure
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: d1dsj on February 13, 2014, 09:04:58 PM
Awesome, congrats on achieving your dream guitar. Black Custom just exude class and style IMO, just so damn cool. I have one and it's getting better with age, enjoy that beast in good health!
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Post by: Afghan Dave on February 13, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
I'll just keep lusting after one of those... Congrats.
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Post by: 38thBeatle on February 13, 2014, 11:14:04 PM
very nice indeed, I add my congratulations. Tis a classic for sure.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 13, 2014, 11:31:34 PM
Thanks everyone!  This is certainly a big one.  This was giving me GAS for years
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Kiichi on February 14, 2014, 10:15:41 AM
While I am more a fan of sun and lemonburst LPs I sure can apprechiate something as nice as this. Huge congrats. Riff Raff Mule should kill in this one....damn, now I have LP gas again. xD
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: AndyR on February 14, 2014, 12:00:18 PM
Woo... nice one :D
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 14, 2014, 12:09:01 PM
While I am more a fan of sun and lemonburst LPs I sure can apprechiate something as nice as this. Huge congrats. Riff Raff Mule should kill in this one....damn, now I have LP gas again. xD

bursts can be really nice but i'm super picky about them. the les paul i just sold was nice but i always hated the cherry burst. pretty much just bought it because it was a nice deal.

Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 14, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
Quick question. is there an advantage to wrapping the string around the tail piece like shown in the picture? I never have done that but I see it often
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: metale on February 14, 2014, 03:55:57 PM
Less pressure on the strings by the saddles, which helps some people with string breakage.

It also allows for that sound effect by running the pick across the strings between the TOM and the tailpiece, like on Zakk Wylde's Superterrorizer.

I used it like that for a couple years but am back to normal.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Philly Q on February 14, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
I''ve also heard it claimed that "top wrapping" makes string bending easier.... but may reduce sustain.  I don't know if either of those things are true.

On the other hand, it means you can screw the tailpiece studs right down flush with the body and still have the strings at a reasonable angle behind the bridge, which seems like it might be a good thing.  I never like the way the studs sit really high in the bushings on a lot of LPs.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 14, 2014, 05:16:37 PM
Hmm.  Looks like I'll have to experiment with both of those then
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Lew on February 14, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
Lovely  8)
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dave Sloven on February 15, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
I top wrap the strings on my SG Standard so that I can keep the tailpiece low but remember that you will need to cut the end off your old strings and thread them over your new ones to make sure that the strings exit the tailpiece in a way that they bend properly over the top.

The only strings where I have not had to do this are the Rotosounds that come with BKPs
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 15, 2014, 01:35:30 AM
i really dont know what you mean.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: metale on February 15, 2014, 04:36:09 AM
Agent Orange, can you be more clear? I just strung my D'Addarios normally, just the other way around on the tailpiece.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dave Sloven on February 15, 2014, 07:21:44 AM
The brass string end bead on the end of your strings.  You cut them off and then thread one over each of your new strings.  This acts as a little spacer when you thread the string through backwards so that when it comes out the other side the part where the string winds around itself is inside the tailpiece and you just have the string coming out the back.  This way it bends around the tailpiece properly and you can tension the string properly.  Most strings need this.  On the Rotosounds that winding is shorter so I didn't have to bother.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Philly Q on February 15, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
Interesting tip, I've never heard that before!
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dave Sloven on February 15, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
In case anyone can't get their head around what top-wrapping entails this is a photo of the tailpiece on my SG.

Please note that this was with the Rotosounds so I didn't use the old brass string end beads as spacers here and thus the string end nest in very tight.  With the spacers in the ends of the strings are more noticeable.

(http://i.imgur.com/mr98ZF6.jpg)

Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dmoney on February 15, 2014, 03:44:29 PM

i still don't get your tip.
I top wrap my strings occasionally but I've never heard of using the old ends as spacers. What is the benefit of that? I've never had a problem just doing it 'normally'
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Dave Sloven on February 16, 2014, 02:41:48 AM
With Ernie Ball strings I find that the winding at the ball end extends up the string a fair distance, so that if you top wrap a standard Gibson TOM tailpiece the strings stick out straight and then bend back, rather than wrap around.

I guess if you ever come across this problem try this trick.  It works for me.  As I said it wasn't an issue with the Rotosounds, where that winding is not as long.

Also, I'm not the first person to do it ...

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/285277-still-trying-master-top-wrapping.html (http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/285277-still-trying-master-top-wrapping.html)
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: Alex on February 16, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
Quick question. is there an advantage to wrapping the string around the tail piece like shown in the picture? I never have done that but I see it often

No, you only do this if the angle from the tailpiece is so steep that the strings would lay on the corner of the bridge (i.e. very steep angle). Other have mentioned the string-breakage that probably is related to the steep angle. On some set-neck guitars the neck angle is glued in so badly that you will run into problems otherwise. I've seen an SG once where you had to either leave the tailpiece superhigh or the strings would lie on the edge of bridge, and a luthier once claimed to me that Gibsons' neck angles can vary quite a bit (because work staff have to get through many guitars quickly on a day) and then they are far from the "perfect angle" you'd have if you went to a smaller company. I have no way of knowing if that is true or not, but I once saw a factory tour video from Gibson where the guy fitted the neck tendon in the body in quite a "rough and rustic way" with a hand wood chisel, without any measurement.

It may simply not be a big deal, given that both bridge and tailpiece are adjustable on Gibsons and thus able to deal with the variance.

Putting the strings the other way around the tailpiece helps with that. I have no doubt this is where this practice comes from and THEN somebody started "bullshiteeting" people that it sounds better (just like EVH made up all the Variac bullshitee, or people started saying the original Rectifiers sounded better when they never did). There are no tonal changes whether the string goes over the top or not, and it doesn't change the feel either. I've tried both versions and with different guitars.

The only thing that might be debatable is whether screwing the tailpiece all the way in, or leaving it a bit out, makes a difference in resonance. I actually think guitars vibrate a bit more when it is a bit out and not all the way down, but it's more a feel thing than a tonal difference.
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 19, 2014, 08:52:01 PM
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mine all mine. oh mama
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: metale on February 19, 2014, 09:09:29 PM
Happy New Guitar Day!  :D
Title: Re: NGD! (soon)
Post by: littleredguitars2 on February 19, 2014, 09:32:41 PM
thanks!
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Post by: 38thBeatle on February 19, 2014, 09:48:04 PM
Yep, thumbs aloft from me too- looks beautiful.
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Post by: d1dsj on February 19, 2014, 09:51:22 PM
Groovy, fantastic rig full stop!