Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: matarroano on February 28, 2014, 12:22:06 PM
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Ok, I'm about to turn my MIM 72 Telecaster Deluxe into a "metal machine". Love the neck and playability and I want something powerful for contemporary/modern heavy distorted tones.
I know this might be king of weird, a tele for metal, but I'm willing to go for it. What would you think would fit my MIM 72 Telecaster Deluxe better for a bridge pickup? This is an alder body with a maple neck.
I'm thinking a Ceramic Warpig... Alnico? Neck position would be left for later for now, but I would love to hear some suggestions from the BKP lineup. I will probably have to cut a new pickguard for regular sized humbuckers.... It will definitely be worth it!
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Don't discount the Piledriver set, or even a Piledriver bridge with a Mississippi Queen P-90 in the neck.
The Piledriver is the most brutal Telecaster pickup out there, and great for metal, although perhaps best suited to black metal and 'blackened' crust punk.
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Don't discount the Piledriver set, or even a Piledriver bridge with a Mississippi Queen P-90 in the neck.
The Piledriver is the most brutal Telecaster pickup out there, and great for metal, although perhaps best suited to black metal and 'blackened' crust punk.
Thanks for your reply. The 72 Tele Deluxe comes stock with a set of Fender Widerange humbuckers. So I have no use for the Piledriver set. Definitely I would consider it on a standard tele. Still looking for a nice, neck position humbucker that complements the Warpig (?)... The definitive choice on the Warpig for bridge position is not yet made, so I will consider other options besides it (Nailbomb?, Aftermath?), so please keep your thoughts coming, they are greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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Would the Piledriver retain the character of a Tele? I have a US Highway I'd like to upgrade both the pickups but I don't know what to put in there, SD Hotrails, DiMarzio's or the BKP range.
I still want to keep the twangy character of the Telecaster just need more warmth in the neck and more output in the bridge.
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Would the Piledriver retain the character of a Tele? I have a US Highway I'd like to upgrade both the pickups but I don't know what to put in there, SD Hotrails, DiMarzio's or the BKP range.
I still want to keep the twangy character of the Telecaster just need more warmth in the neck and more output in the bridge.
BG50-set!
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The Blackguard tele set?
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matarroano, are you Portuguese?
I too have a dual humbucker alder tele which will (eventually) get some higher output Bkps. I'm looking more into the Holydiver and the Miracle Man.
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if its gotta be a humbucker or something that size, the stockholm p90 is killer. not SUPER metal but it can definitely do it and it keeps that single coil character a bit
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I have a piledriver in my American FSR Rustic Ash tele and it really is a killer pickup. I play a lot of metal and hard rock with it to great effect. It cleans up well too, and if you dial back on the volume with a less distorted tone you easily get that classic Tele twang. It's my favorite pickup so far, without a doubt.
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I don't think it's particularly weird. But people seem to be focusing more on the fact that it's a Tele, rather than it being a humbucker equipped solid body electric you want to play metal with.
What kind of an amp are you playing through, and what are you looking to emphasize in your tone? Warpig, Nailbomb, Miracle Man, Holydiver can all sound big, but will emphasize different frequencies in different ways and their attack and palm mutes will sound different.
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Ok, I'm about to turn my MIM 72 Telecaster Deluxe into a "metal machine". Love the neck and playability and I want something powerful for contemporary/modern heavy distorted tones.
I know this might be king of weird, a tele for metal, but I'm willing to go for it. What would you think would fit my MIM 72 Telecaster Deluxe better for a bridge pickup? This is an alder body with a maple neck.
I'm thinking a Ceramic Warpig... Alnico? Neck position would be left for later for now, but I would love to hear some suggestions from the BKP lineup. I will probably have to cut a new pickguard for regular sized humbuckers.... It will definitely be worth it!
Not that weird considering John 5 and Jim Root use em for metal etc. Dunno what style youre into but blackhawks will definitely make it 'very metal'.
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OK, I didn't click that it already had humbucker size slots
An alnico Warpig won't be exactly 'contemporary'. It tends to to give a very big tone with a full midrange, and quite articulate but rather overdriven 'clean' sound. I think it is perfect for Masters of Reality era Black Sabbath, doom metal in general, and the more dirty and gnarly sounding death metal such Machetazo. Of course this might reflect the guitar I had it in, which was quite dark (an Explorer). In general that pickup tends to be more versatile in a brighter guitar. Of course I can't tell how bright or dark your guitar might be without actually hearing it but I'd say it would have to be much brighter than my Explorer. It would probably work out well.
If you want a tighter death metal sound I'd suggest a Warpig with the ceramic magnet, or a Miracle Man.
If you want a more 'crossover' sound (e.g., RPD, Sepultura) or a '90s metal sound (e.g., Machine Head) try the alnico version of the Nailbomb.
The ceramic version of the Nailbomb does a nice thrash sound, and is good for stuff like Slayer.
Painkiller is even middier than the A-Bomb and might be too much for you. It is very nice in a heavy mahogany guitar though. Aftermath might be similar.
The Cold Sweat is very tight and articulate, with a scooped sound. I have one in my SG and really like it for most kinds of metal and rock. For death metal though the Miracle Man is a bigger, darker version of the CS.
I'd probably avoid the Rebel Yell. Good chance that it is too bright with not enough bass for your guitar.
Don't discount the Stockholm P-90 set. I have the bridge pickup in my SG Junior and it is a very heavy sounding pickup, though I think it is much more hardcore in tone than metal. Depends on what you want
There are also the Black Hawks. I don't know much about them except for the fact that they are a passive replacement for EMG 81/85 in some sense. If that's the case though your wood might be too bright.
The VHII is also good for metal and should combine well with your woods. If you were considering the RY I would probably suggest the VHII as an alternative.
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The Blackguard tele set?
Does a great rockjob (even metal if you like), but still can twang.
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matarroano, are you Portuguese?
I too have a dual humbucker alder tele which will (eventually) get some higher output Bkps. I'm looking more into the Holydiver and the Miracle Man.
Yes, I'm Portuguese from Évora.
Thanks everyone for their valuable input. Lots of food for thought and your posts will definitely help me make the right decision. I can't really tell a band/album I want to sound like, but something that's a little more hardcore than metal, something that's more doom than death... Ah! Converge's "The Saddest Day" from the "Petitioning The Empty Sky" album. That's a cool lead. That song has everything I love!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBjWpas0q4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBjWpas0q4)
Definitely a tune that's worth listening to if you are not familiar with it.
As for amps, I'm in the market for a head or combo with enough power to allow me to play in a rehearsal room with drums. Nothing too big and expensive. I was thinking the Orange Terror series or something from Blackstar. Suggestions welcomed!
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Sounds more like Painkiller territory to me. Or even an Aftermath. Not a Warpig.
Maybe someone here who knows this pickup better can advise on whether it would sound like that in your alder Telecaster, but that seems to be the ballpark.
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On an alder tele I would go Aftermath before a Painkiller. Or Juggernaut.
I'm from Santarém :)
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The palm mutes about 1 minute in on that song are a job for the Aftermath. Definitely put the Aftermath at the top of your list, it has the broad midrange and the percussive qualities for Converge. Other than that, something dry or in ceramic would be where to start looking.
You'll probably need something 60 watts+ to be able to really play with drums. Those high quality low-watt Orange or Blackstar amps tend to cost almost as much as 100 watt amps anyway.
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You'll probably need something 60 watts+ to be able to really play with drums. Those high quality low-watt Orange or Blackstar amps tend to cost almost as much as 100 watt amps anyway.
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Seeing as you are paying in Euros I'd be looking around for an ENGL of some sort. Can't find them here in Australia any more but I think they are probably your best bet for those sounds. Their cabs are amazing too if you want tightness. The 4x V30 cab in particular
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blackstar has some pretty cheap amps that sound nice
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Still want to hear more advices from you! Maybe it's better if I give you some more references about what I wish to sound like:
Think Post-Hardcore, Noise, Drone, Sludge, Stoner, Doom. Sunn O))), Earth, Boris, Converge, Integrity, Coalesce, Botch.
If I sell some gear, maybe I'll go for the set, both bridge and neck, so please take that into account. In the first post I was thinking just bridge...
As for amps what do you think of the Orange Dark Terror? Been watching some videos and it sounds really nice. Maybe not loud enough for band practice and gigging...
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Honestly my advice would be get an amp first. Then play it. Find out what you are lacking in terms of sound and then get the right pickups to fill the void. It's all about the total combination, with higher gain amps you can go for a wider range of pups as it will be able to give you all the gain you need.
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For that kind of music I'd be looking for a loud amp.
Whatever drummer you get to play it with you is for damn sure gonna be loud. You won't be able to hear yourself with the little Orange amp
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I have an alnico warpig in a tele copy for metal fun
sounds realy good tuned to D standard. any lower I would say go ceramic .
I have no neck pick up in it but I'd consider the warpig neck for a good match
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I have an alnico warpig in a tele copy for metal fun
sounds realy good tuned to D standard. any lower I would say go ceramic .
I have no neck pick up in it but I'd consider the warpig neck for a good match
My first option was a Warpig. Undecided about alnico or ceramic but more inclined for alnico. Now, after the recommendations that followed it's going to be Warpig, Aftermatch or Nailbomb.
For that kind of music I'd be looking for a loud amp.
Whatever drummer you get to play it with you is for damn sure gonna be loud. You won't be able to hear yourself with the little Orange amp
That's what I thought. I would love to have a all tube, lunchbox-type head. Really great quality tone for practice and home playing. Not loud enough for gigging or rehearsals with a loud drummer.
Still want to upgrade my Line 6 Spider for something with more quality and more organic sounding... Peavey 6505+ 112 60W Combo? That's another option to consider besides the "lunchboxes"....
The amp is another dilemma... Let's keep out attention on the BKP's I should get. Thanks!
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That Peavey will go pretty loud, and should do the trick.
I've seen them on sale for very good prices.
I would probably swap out all the tubes if you start getting a problem with blown fuses though. They have a bit of a reputation for it and apparently a cracked valve can be the cause. They are made in China (unlike the rest of the 6505 family) so that might be why a few of them ended up with that problem but if it happens within the first three months tubes are covered by warranty and I would insist that they be checked if they say the issue is a fuse.
Other than that little issue I'd say they are a good amp, especially in terms of sound.
I have its big brother the 6534+ and I'm happy with it. Took a while to get my speakers broken in on the cab I'm using with it but once that happened it started to sound pretty good. With the Peaveys just be mindful of dirty loop jacks (use contact cleaner on a cable end and push it in and out a few times and wipe on a paper towel if that happens) and the inevitable noise on the lead channel due to the high gain, which can be controlled with an ISP Decimator or similar pedal in the loop. I do know a guy who plays a 6505+ with no pedals at all, and his bandmates don't seem to bitch about it being noisy, but mine do every time I accidentally kick the ISP off by accident.
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I have recently acquired the 6505+ head and its a beast! Its VERY loud. For 120 watts of power I don't need to turn it past 2 which is a waste of headroom. But I love the dirty channel, so thick and beastly!!
As Agent Orange said its a noisy amp so a Decimator is a must, well for me anyway, I forked out the money for it and its worth every single penny. Stop start riffing is nice and tight and the humming and stuff is non-existent!
Droptuned chugging sounds great, esp with a newly installed Aftermath in the bridge in my LP studio!
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I did some more reading on the 112 combo and there were also quite a few people complaining about the buffered effects loop.
Seems there are quite a few differences between the 112 combo and the 6505+ head, so you should look into it thoroughly.
There are still some of the old 60W 6505 212 combos kicking around if you want a combo. They are heavy though.
Personally I think if you are going to go Peavey 6505 series the best route is either a 6505+ or 6534+ head and a 4x12 cab. If you think a 4x12 cab is heavy wait until I try lifting a combo. I'm not kidding. At least with the head and cab you have two lighter objects to carry. Where my band practices we have a 412 there so I just use that for practices. Sometimes you can borrow a 412 at gigs too. You don't end up carrying the 412 around that much. Mine hasn't left the house yet.
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/127589-peavey-6505-combo-vs-head.html (http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/127589-peavey-6505-combo-vs-head.html)
My 6534+ is around 25kg. The cab is 50kg (Orange) but there are lighter ones.
If you can find a 2x12 rated around 200W that would be safe too, just depends on if you like the speakers.
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I was compelled to post by that list of bands, we could be friends.
Any of the C-Pig, C-Bomb, Aftermath or Painkiller can totally do older Converge/Coalesce, Botch, etc. Just depends on your preference. I can't comment on the others, never had them. For The Saddest Day sound specifically you'd want a PK.
The amp is the important part. I would look for a 5150/6505, a TS type OD, and a good 4x12, if you're serious. The + is a slightly different sounding amp, the lead channel is more high mid oriented and brighter. The standard model (non+) has more low mid grind, and is usually the preferred version for this type of thing. Try them both if you can.
Combos are for choads.
Ballou used an 81 into a Metalzone (lol) into a JMP and a V4 back in the day. So there's any number of ways to get there, just keep that in mind.
For the sludgedoom thing, use a PAF or P90-ish neck pickup, roll the tone knob down a bit, and play really loud. You won't get a V4/Model T thing out of a 5150, but you can get real good sludgedoom sounds, and if you can't, get a fuzz and run on the clean channel. A-Pig is awesome for this sort of thing.