Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: sambo on March 16, 2006, 10:10:10 PM
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ok my mate got his washburn kc(unknown number) chicago series, with no serial number (= US custom shop)... after some research we think weve deciphered that chicago series= much more valuable than non-chicago series..... are we right? either way... i love it... so.. SOOO much and really wish i had been able to get the cash myself instead of my mate getting it... grrrrrr..... well at least i get to see it now lol.....
anyway..... ive decided, to complete my guitar arsenal- acoustic, les paul, all-valve amp.... i need a super-strat to cover another part of the spectrum..... any advice on good CHEAP ones? also if theres any second hand ones in shops near anyone in the UK let me know.... i may be able to get near £200 fairly soon, not a big budget i know... but i really want one now.... looking for a bargain basically.....
any ideas at all?
also, something a bit out of the ordinary if possible....
on the off chance- if anyones tried some random super-strat style guitar recently and liked it... let me know lol... IM DESPERATE!
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you want to be very careful with super strats, sambo- the cheaper ones can have cr@ppy double locking trems that won't hold tuning very well, won't have good sustain, and will generally be more bother than they're worth.
Machinehead are selling a washburn x40pro for £379, with a schaller trem (good!), and duncan pickups (distortion and '59, i think). Not as good as BK's, but much better than most pickups on guitars of that price, and good enough that you wouldn't have to rush out and immediately upgrade. I haven't tried it, but going by specs, it should be good, unless it was made by an arm-less monkey. Only reason I didn't go for one is it's 42mm nut width, I prefer 43mm. Alder body.
The Ibanez s470 is also worth a look- has a zr trem, which is good, although i tried one (unplugged) and thought it played well (43mm nut, lol), but i've heard that the quality control isn't so great, so you'd want to try it. Around £340, i think. Pickups won't be great (it's an Ibanez, lol). Mahogany body.
If you can get a little more, an ibanez rg1570 would be worth a look. Again, pickups won't be great, but, if you get one of last years, it's japanese-made, edge pro trem (good!), super fast neck. basswood body, though, so it's very much voiced for shred. the 1570 would be my pick, but that's me. Also, if you go second hand, a 570 is basically the same thing, but with an edge bridge (good, again).
What type of tone are you after with it? Superstrats rock, by the way, I love them. :B
You should maybe have put this in the guitars forum, too :D
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you are baiting me to try and give me summit to do Sam aint ya LOL
I am on da case buddy lol.
Shame import will hit ya from over here.
Could get ya ALOT for $200 ish
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yer but i didnt wanna even get close to be near risking getting a warning for doing something wrong.....
anyway, cool thanks for the info.... begrudgingly looking at machinehead now... grrrrr....
ok seen both the ibanez and washburn.... look good.... hmmmm interesting.... ive seen a rg1570 for £530- what do they usually go for? (that one was brand new by the way or as god as anyway)..
NICK: you could!??!?!?!?!!! noooooo dont do this to me!!!?! ARGH!!!
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OK numero uno
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Esp-Custom-Shop-M1-Shell-pink_W0QQitemZ7396809864QQcategoryZ33038QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
bear in mind, I will be posting links as is easier.
Also, for that money, you will be LUCKY to get 100% what ya want, colour,pups,etc.
But, a good axe can be upgraded easily enough.
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BTW, Superstrat = America (imo) lol
That ESP even has a FLOYD!
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sweet!! thats a re-list didnt know it was up again... .saw that ages ago but disregarded it as wasnt interested in super-s's then.... dont mind bout the colour lol its wicked- really different.... thats the exact kinda thing i want...
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you can get the 1570 for around £450 new (gak)
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ESP-M100-LTD-FLOYD-ROSE-GUITAR-NEW_W0QQitemZ7398040691QQcategoryZ33038QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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nice nick... keem em coming... lol.
450 new!!!! bloody planet of sound.... thought they were good lol... they were doing like 600+ new...
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do you care one way or another about a trem sam?
I am thinking, older, ESP,Jackson,Kramer,Charvel,B.C.Rich (but need to research some).
Whats your "want" list bearing in mind price? i.e. pup config., trem,case etc.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHARVETTE-GUITAR-BY-CHARVEL-WHITE-SUPER-STRAT-JACKSON_W0QQitemZ7397697931QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Sam, bear in mind (obviously) you are not gonna get a Custom Shop for $200 though.
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preferably a humbucker in there somewhere.... not keen on all 3 single coils..... apart from that no pickup selection preference....
im clueless when it comes to trems but hopefully something other than a copy or licensed one would be good....
case couldnt care less about ill probably break the guitar in a week or so anyway lol....
and yer, older is the way to go i think...
OH that last one was brill!!!!
also to add to that ^ yer some kind of trem is important- almost essential...
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-KRAMER-100ST-with-floyd-rose-2_W0QQitemZ7399077252QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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^ nice- that ones got a while to go- gonna watch that...
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80S-VINTAGE-JACKSON-CHARVEL-MODEL-4-GUITAR-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ7398061170QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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nice ^!!! like the switches, thats on some of the washburn kc's as well... cool feature....
just looking at evilbay.com..... damn cheap on there..GRRR!!!!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-CHARVEL-MODEL-II_W0QQitemZ7350365594QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ernie-Ball-Music-Man-Licensed-OLP-MM1Trans-Sunburst-N-R_W0QQitemZ7398285294QQcategoryZ101561QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If anything like my EB's this would be V.cool
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yer dunno whats going on with that e.b type thing- EB licensed???? buy it now but no buy it now? hmmmm and it says the retail is only 170 or so anyway!!!!!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jackson-Charvel-MK4-Electric-Guitar_W0QQitemZ7398200059QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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OLP is liscensed to make Ernie Ball designs outside USA.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/OLP/Axis-1.html
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corr that ones a beauty..... watching that too...
look at the kinda stuff you can get in the ol US
http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-Kramer-Pacer-Special_W0QQitemZ7398978384QQcategoryZ41438QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OLP-JOHN-PETRUCCI-SIGNATURE_W0QQitemZ7384850903QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Ernie-Ball-STEVE-LUKATHER-Signature-Guitar-OLP_W0QQitemZ7393338642QQcategoryZ101561QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OLP-Musicman-MM1-Electric-Guitar-Trans-Purple_W0QQitemZ7397694588QQcategoryZ101561QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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wicked ... starting to sway slightly from super strats lol....
im always weary of cheap stuff which is at buy it now.... doesnt seem right to me.... dunno..... the olp's seem a bit risky...
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homework.
Most USA guitars are gonna be costly, old or no.
If it has a gen. floyd and is cheap, whats up? The Floyd can be parted and sold for more lol.
With your price bracket, homework IS needed.
BTW, don't dissmiss those OLP's, that's a BAD Ebay add.
They are officially made, just NOT in usa. Same spec's and all. Like when Gibbo's go to Epi etc.
OK, just read specs too.
They prob. have diff. pups but all else seems SAME as my EB from USA.
Wish you could try either of mine. I KNOW you would love em, esp. the neck profile!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/OLP-MM1-Electric-Guitar-Trans-Black-Licensed-Music-Man_W0QQitemZ7397684521QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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i really want an axe with a smooth neck now... really reallly do....
that black finish is superb...
p.s dunno if you pm'd me then but my bloody inbox was full and i havent got anything yet...
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I did
clean it, NOW!! ROFLMAO
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hahahaha done it lol....
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one day if i ever get the money or care enough about electrics im gonna get a 'proper' super strat. ie get a cheap fender and pimp the fenderness out of it :wink: save up a bit extra young sambo, mex strats are only £299 round my way...
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hmmmm never actually thought of that lol.... could definately be one to consider....
cheers badger.
what are the mex strats like?
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I'm watching that pink one that Dakine posted the link to. Says reserve not met though so I guess I wont be able to get it for a good price :(
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Hey sambo. You could look into the Ibanez RGT42. It's a thru neck super strat with mahogany body and maple neck with dark rosewood fretboard. They're very nice guitars and have really good sustain. They don't cost that much either
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Go for Ibanez's finest line of guitars - the S Series ¬¬ for all the superstrat goodness yu'd ever want.
Also - Didn't fender used to do a superstrat line of their own, fitted with a OFR?
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Go for Ibanez's finest line of guitars - the S Series ¬¬ for all the superstrat goodness yu'd ever want.
Also - Didn't fender used to do a superstrat line of their own, fitted with a OFR?
Yeah they did, it was called the HM strat, meaning Heavey Metal strat. They're pretty good guitars and you can usually find them on ebay for like £375 - £400ish
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Funnily enough, I've just been down the Superstrat route to add to my collection. I bought a beat up Ibanez RG670DXBK at my local guitar emporium for £325:
(http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/34124314.jpg/2192_2.jpg)
Plus I've just picked this up off evilBay for £350:
(http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/34234506.jpg/6a_1_b.jpg)
I'd look for an RG550 or above if I were you - superb guitars for not much cash. This has got an hour to go and looks good for £200!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7397593503&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
(http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/7b/c5/a3_3.JPG)
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omg that RG550 went for £200!!! >..< why did it not go to indy!??!?!
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cool thanks for all the info guys....
the olps and the ibanez' are whats interesting me at the moment....
but the thing is every time i see an ibanez MMM1 or any esp f series i feel like crying... my heart bleeds for one..... anyone tried either?
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ibanez MMM1
Ain't that a baritone? eww
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http://www.edromanguitars.com/guitar/olp/olp_mod.htm
i think yu should have a look at these mods by Ed roman. seems like a good idea!
EDIT: ask for it without the seymour duncan black backs. They suck - Neo-Dimium magnets destroy any hint of tone.
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hahaha your just like tom you hate baritones....
theyre not just for down-tuned nu-metal you know.... i actually like the cleans from a baritone loooooads.... really throaty deep sound.... theyre wicked.
but should i save for my hearts desire (which may not actually be that amazing) or go for one of the many suggested options on here?
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i'd go for a mexican strat and pimp the sex out of it dude. It'll be loads of fun and help yu get to know guitars better.
Either that or the almighty ibanez s-series...
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how expensive are the s-series tho.
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how much do yu have to spend? they come in just about every price range - with little upgrades as you go up the range. However - they ALL have a mahogany body, and they ALL have the ZR tremolo :lol:
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i see.... so what about just getting the cheapest one and pimping it?
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hmmmm never actually thought of that lol.... could definately be one to consider....
cheers badger.
what are the mex strats like?
max strats are great if you get a good one. update the electronics and they are great little guitars. even think they are routed for humbuckers as well, dont qoute me on that though.
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Until you have "cash in hand" it's all abit pointless and just possible suggestions, but having said that, these are also a possibility;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peavey-Wolfgang-Special-QT_W0QQitemZ7398665555QQcategoryZ33046QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carvin-DC127-Black-Excellent-Condition_W0QQitemZ7397444445QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80S-VINTAGE-JACKSON-CHARVEL-MODEL-4-GUITAR-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ7398061170QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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corr that carvin is awesome...
im getting an idea of what to look for now...
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Sam
you need to define an exact budget first then go from there.
To be honest, 200 quid is NOT gonna get ya a "pro" axe but if you also define what you truly want (specifically) what type of fingerboard, pup arrangement, trem, shape. I am sure we will all help to get you some good idea's/examples that you can afford.
BTW, Carvin is not too well known outside the US, also they ONLY sell direct (first instance) which makes em darn cheap for what they are (hand built, neck-thru etc.)
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Check this for instance;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carvin-TL60-1994-Natural-Quilt-with-Humbuckers_W0QQitemZ7399030409QQcategoryZ33040QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/CARVIN-DC200-SOLID-ACOUSTIC-ELECTRIC-PEARL-WHITE_W0QQitemZ7398527929QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-USA-Vintage-Carvin-DC200-Guitar_W0QQitemZ7398820819QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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whilst we're posting pictures of super strats :wink:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/maliciousteve/newsetup0001.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/maliciousteve/DSC00963.jpg)
super duper 7 string
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!!! those carvins really are nice....
and so's that 7 string- what model is that? love the white.....
i know wot u mean nick, really id like a mahogany body- i find my mahogany MM sings so much more than other axes ive played with other woods....
trem dont really care as long as it stays in tune reasonably well and can make stupid noises..... floyd rose type ideally not the vintage type ones.
at least 1 h/b whether it be on its own or with a s/c or whatever dont mind...
rosewood fingerboard (ebony ideally but that would be a bonus)
natural finishes are cool or block colours- im liking quilt/flame tops less and less lately....
thats bout it really....
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!!! those carvins really are nice....
and so's that 7 string- what model is that? love the white.....
i know wot u mean nick, really id like a mahogany body- i find my mahogany MM sings so much more than other axes ive played with other woods....
trem dont really care as long as it stays in tune reasonably well and can make stupid noises..... floyd rose type ideally not the vintage type ones.
at least 1 h/b whether it be on its own or with a s/c or whatever dont mind...
rosewood fingerboard (ebony ideally but that would be a bonus)
natural finishes are cool or block colours- im liking quilt/flame tops less and less lately....
thats bout it really....
Well it's a Ibanez universe neck with a custom alder body made by Feline guitars. It has stupid amounts of sustain
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how much did it all cost you in total?
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well that cost me £999 because Jonathan was doing a special offer on some guitars for sale on his site. Although it wasn't custom built for me, i couldn't ask for a better 7 string.
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The white Carvin on ebay looks bloody amazing. I really like it.
I like steves first guitar as well (the red/orangey one), such a nice colour.
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on the cheap, you really want to watch out for cr@p trems.
here's my list of the good ones, with some more info (nicked from UG, lol- don't worry, i wrote it, i'm not plagiarising anyone, lol):
"Cheap double locking trems are more bother than they’re worth. They’re made of cr@p soft metal, they won’t hold tune and they won‘t sustain as well. You MAY get lucky, but it’s not worth the risk. Either fork out for a good trem (Original Floyd Rose, Floyd Rose Pro, Floyd Rose Speedloader, Schaller, Gotoh, Kahler or Ibanez Edge (NOT Edge III), Ibanez Lo-Pro Edge, Ibanez Edge Pro (NOT Edge Pro II), or Ibanez ZR, and most expensive guitar brands’ own brand of trem (e.g. Vigier) - if it’s not one of these, assume it’s cr@p, unless proven otherwise), or go with a hardtail or non-locking trem. Also, a lot of the decent trems are a different size to the cr@p ones (even the studs can be a different size, if the whole trem is the same size) so it’s frequently not just a matter of buying a better trem when your cr@p one breaks. Most guitar companies are incredibly scabby- they’re TRYING to make it hard to upgrade, so you have to buy a whole new guitar from them."
so yeah, that's about the best advice i can give.
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cool thanks dave.... what if i find an axe i really like but the trem aint so good? how do i know ill be able to fit a better trem on...?
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problem is, at money Sam is talking about a "good" trem can almost fetch that on it's own.
This is all GREAT if spending BIG bucks, but on a budget, sometimes sacrifices just have to be made.
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mmm true.... really, i dont care as long as it stays in tune reasonably well... i havent had much experience with trems so wouldnt know the difference... i know what your saying dave.... even my mates JEM goes out of tune like a bitch and is a lot of trouble....
hmmmmm.....
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well put it this way.
I have NO love for locking trems whatsoever!!!!!!!!
Don't care if it's floyd,schaller.
Time taken to restring is a beeatch!!!!
I prefer hardtails.
Having said that, the Axis I have has got a "Vintage Trem" which is non locking. Strings through body, over trem, into locking tuners. Have yet for it to go outta tune. But then I am not a Vai squeel demon or anything.
Horses for courses but I prefer the KISS method. NOT Gene/Paul etc. lol but Keep It Simple Stupid.
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but how does it now go out of tune!? i dont get it.... trems without any locking doesnt make sense lol
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the tuners are lockers. Basically the trem acts as a kind see/saw.
Wilkinson tremolos are same principle if ya wanna research.
Or go maybe to Carvin or Ernie Ball boards as both those can come with this type of trem.
The Axis, for example, is locking. The Axis super sport is "vintage" trem.
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ah yer though the tuners might be locking after i posted...
yer carvin do seem pretty good, a lot of come with good electronics configs- the on/off switches.... they look pretty versatile and good value for money
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http://www.thomann.de/artikel-191013.html?iwid=2
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nice... those olps really do seem of great quality for the price... i wish i could try one....
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but how does it now go out of tune!? i dont get it.... trems without any locking doesnt make sense lol
If its all well lubed etc, graphite nut and saddles, then the strings should return to their normal positions/tensions easily enough.
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what i'm saying is, if you want a super strat, you NEED to have one with a good trem, or you might as well not bother. I found out this the hard way. Luckily, my two super strats' cavities will fit a Gotoh/OFR/Schaller, but the studs are too small, so I'm going to have to get them drilled out.
the only way to tell for sure is to get the measurements of a good trem (www.floydrose.com, or email schaller, or wdmusicproducts.co.uk about the gotoh), and then measure the guitar. Also, it's a false ecomnomy, because odds are you can get a guitar with a good trem cheaper than a guitar with poor trem plus the cost of a decent trem (and the guitar with the good trem is probably a better guitar too!).
I don't see why you couldn't get a second hand super strat with a good trem for around £200, when the ibanez s470 and washburn x40 pro go for about £350 new. But if you can't, I advise to try to calm down your GAS (I know it's hard, lol, i have GAS too!) till you can get £350 together.
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hmmmmm. most of the sub-£200 superstrats have licensed trems or the like.... gonna keep watching closely on ebay for the odd few that have decent ones.... thanks for the tip-off on the gotoh e.t.c..... might go and try a few ibanez' and that washburn in machinehad soon....
oh yeah, btw, how do you know about machinehead??!?!!
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^i think i saw an ad in a guitar mag once (or loads of times, lol).
But yeah- not all licensed floyds are bad- just most are.
Schaller and Gotoh are good, and ibanez too, but you have to be VERY careful with ibanez, because some are good and some aren't, and they look almost identical. You really have to know what you're looking for.
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okay cheers for the info... gonna bear that in mind....
i think from now on im gonna make choices from playability and general feel of a guitar instead of looks and even sound because i know that by slinging in a pair of BK's i can make most axes sound great....
when i try the washburns and ibanez' im looking for the feel of the neck, the control layout, the top fret access e.t.c...
i guess to most people this is probably what they would usually do but im still learning....
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All I know is that I prefer the feel of Jackson necks to Ibanez, which feel too wide and flat. Try some Jacksons, you might like em :D
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^i prefer ibanez to jackson lol- but i like both!
If you are going to whack in some BK's, check how the guitar sounds unplugged (you should do this anyway)- if the wood is good and resonant, a pickup change will be that much more sweet!
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kool.... my gibbo sounds sooo lush unplugged... i just wish i had an amp that did it justice :(
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mmm true.... really, i dont care as long as it stays in tune reasonably well... i havent had much experience with trems so wouldnt know the difference... i know what your saying dave.... even my mates JEM goes out of tune like a bitch and is a lot of trouble....
I have a Jem and had really bad tuning trouble but I figured out what it was after reading Ibanezrules.com. During the late 90s the knife edges on the trems were made slightly blunter than usual, to make them last longer, also the groove in the post was quite narrow, this is a bad combination for tuning! I filed my knife edges slightly as per the info on ibanezrules and bingo, a major improvement! I'll wager your mates Jem was made during this period.
Andy.
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ahhh i see... ill tell him that...
thanks dude! :D
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Sambo, how come your threads always seem to go to multiple pages?
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because im really reaaaallly cool and everything i have to say is REALLY interesting...
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Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up :D
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no problem, it was easy for me to answer your question as im also REALLY clever....
furthermore, im struggling with my maths coursework...
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What about a second hand Charvel model 4 or model 6 (thru neck) there are some bargains out there and the build is better than a lot of new guitars.
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http://www.chrisguitars.com/kra00baretta-car.jpg
$249!!!!!!
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http://www.chrisguitars.com/electric.html
go ahead, drool! LOL
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http://www.chrisguitars.com/kra00baretta-car.jpg
$249!!!!!!
BLOODY HELL! Sam, get that!
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nah, i wouldn't, that's one of the newer korean ones. I have one of the strikers. For the price I paid, it's actually really good. The trem isn't bad for a licensed one, but it's still nowhere near as good as one of the "good" ones that I listed, and the studs are the wrong size for a switch. You'd probably want to change the pickups too (those quad-rails are good for chugga-chugga, but not much else)- at the end of the day, the cost of those upgrades would buy you a guitar that you wouldn't have to upgrade (at least, not much).
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Ahh didnt realise that. Still, thats like £170 or something?!
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yeah, but add in the cost of a good floyd rose (£130+), drilling out the studs, and new pickups (at least £100+), and you could get a washburn x40 pro (£379) with a schaller trem and duncan pickups (not as good as BK's, but better than those kramer ones, and good enough to keep till you can afford BK's) for less.
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Ahh yeah fair enough then.
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believe me, i'm not trying act like i'm smarter than everyone else (i'm not, i don't have a clue about most gear lol), it's just that i've found out all this stuff about super-strats the hard way (i.e. the expensive way), and I don't want you guys to have to go through what I have, lol.
At the minute i have two super strats with cr@p trems and the wrong size studs, and a gotoh trem, and i'm trying to figure out how the hell i'm going to get it drilled, lol. And i was damn lucky that at least the cavity is the right size.
:D
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nice site nick.
but tom its in america... duh....
neck-thru though....
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ESP-Guitar-KH-502-KIRK-HAMMET-With-EMG-HZ-Pick-ups_W0QQitemZ7398934379QQcategoryZ33038QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jackson-DKMG-Dinky-Black-Finish-Electric-Guitar_W0QQitemZ7400530454QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-KRAMER-100ST-with-floyd-rose-2_W0QQitemZ7399077252QQcategoryZ33044QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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that kramer is looking like a good bet.....
what are 100st's like? anyone know?
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^the jackson link didn't work, but i think the trems on all those are sub-par. If i remember right, the floyd rose II isn't as good as an OFR.
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Not very trendy but.. if you can find one, I'd suggest a late 80's early 90's Yamaha RGX Custom - (HSH config) - through neck, Yamaha take on a Floyd Rose. These things are really well made (were over a £1000 new) and if you are lucky you'll get one for under £200. Don't come up often on eBay etc but they are great guitars.