Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Tech => Topic started by: donovan.x on March 18, 2006, 02:44:35 PM
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Could you modify a standard strat copy to accomadate a floyd?
Obviously this is going to meen a lot of messing about.
Any Ideas how much it would cost to get done by a pro? Maybe one for Feline!
Any help would be cool!( Not a low pro as I would want a EVH D-Tuna on it.)
Cheers guys.
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If you don't want it floating, it shouldn't be that hard really. You'd need to drill bigger holes for the outer 2 trem screws, and change the nut.
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if you do want it floating you'll need to get the guitar routed to fit it - i'd imagine that wouldn't be cheap
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Is there any point in having a Floyd that don't float? Or should I just upgrade to a High end standard trem?
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Is there any point in having a Floyd that don't float? Or should I just upgrade to a High end standard trem?
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Is there any point in having a Floyd that don't float? Or should I just upgrade to a High end standard trem?
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Yeh - the main benefit of a non-floating floyd is the tuning stability, a well setup and manufactured floyd should never go out of tune in use.
You might need a shim for the neck if it's non-floating.
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I enjoy Floyds for the pull ups as well as the bombs.
And what is a shim?
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^if you want to get pull-ups, you pretty much need it recessed. I think you can pull up a little if it's not, but you need to set it up that way, and you get more pull up with a recess.
I'd imagine it's not cheap. You can get a guitar with a good floyd (as opposed to those poor quality licensed examples) for around £350 nowadays.
EDIT: by that i mean you could have two guitars for probably not that much more, when you add in the cost of routing (£?) and the cost of a good floyd (at least £130) etc., and 2>1.
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A shim is something put between the neck pocket and the neck to raise the height of the neck (relative to the body). It can consist of the same wood material as the body (best type of shim) or something as simple as washers around the neck screws.
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If you want a D-Tuna it's better not to float. They don't work with a floating floyd unless you use a tremsetter or tremolo-no type device.
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If you want a D-Tuna it's better not to float. They don't work with a floating floyd unless you use a tremsetter or tremolo-no type device.
+1.
I took my d-tuna off my kramer, because I preferred float to drop d.
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It is obviously possible to rout a Strat body to take a Floyd, and apart from the routing work there would probably be a fair amount of finish repairs/refinishing required likely to make it uneconomic. Don't forget also that taking so much wood out of your Strat is going to alter its dynamics and sound so it might not end up as you wish. It strikes me that you'd be better to buy a second hand HM Strat, already routed for a locking trem, swap over any bits from your own Strat you want to keep, then get the old body and bits on ebay.
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could buy another pre-routed body perhaps? They go pretty cheap off of ebay
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^yeah, that'd work, you just want to be careful that the scale length and all is the same, and what type of floyd it's routed for (they aren't all the same size, lol).
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The other option is to look for a cheap Peavy Wolfgang, as there are a lot of them out there.
BTW I thought the D-tuna was great fun, and that floating floyds although fun where more trouble than theyre really worth (IMHO)
Rob...
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if your only wanting to dive a wilkinson trem and locking tuners might be an option?
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Is there any point in having a Floyd that don't float? Or should I just upgrade to a High end standard trem?
Ask Eddie van Halen, his signature MM is exactly like that. Better tuning stability, you can use D-Tuna and better string response as there is more connection between the strings and the body wood.
Re reworking: You should check the radius of the neck/fretboard to match the floyd as close as possible. Another possible adjustment might be the neck angle, depending on the height of the floyd.
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The quality of the floyd is paramount here
Consider an original Floyd , A schaller Floyd, Ibanez edge or lo-pro edge or a gotoh (there has been a whole long post on this
To fit the floyd requires the top rout to be modified and the rear rout to be modded if you want wide travel (diebombing etc)
You will need to have the pickguard modded or changed too as the floyd is wider.
The locknut needs to be installed at the top too which is a comprehensive job in itself.
If you want up-pull too it is worth routing the cavity under the trem too
So cost of floyd if decent one used (£140-190)
Cost of installation £100-150 depending on what is required
A wilkinson, and locking tuners will do a lot of that for £140-160 plus fitting
Fitting on a wilk & tuners is much easier- £30-40 should cover it
Remember I am quoting workshop prices - if you have the skills and tools to DIY then you can save if you are good at that kind of work
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^i'm with jonathan (feline) on the cost thing- you can get a guitar with a good floyd (washburn x40 pro is one, ibanez s470, or rg1570 are others) for not much more (it's about £350-£450 for a guitar with a good Floyd, new, if you know which one to buy) than the cost of chopping up your guitar, and they have good floyds attached- and that way you have two guitars.
I know if i was in that situation, i'd probably just get a guitar that had already a good floyd, since for about £100 more (max) you have another guitar. (bear in mind, I suck at DIY, if you can do all that routing etc. yourself, as jonathan says, it's a more attractive proposition).
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I am going to take the wilkinson option with locking tuners. Is there a particular sort I should get, a link would be nice.
Cheers guys.
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Cost me about £240 to have a floyd rose installed on one of my guitars (including floyd rose)