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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Kiichi on August 08, 2014, 12:26:29 AM
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Hej gents,
I am really not a djent fan, but when the Juggernaut came out I listened to a handful of Periphery songs to get the feel. Not my cup of tea (I find it exausting and not too interesting to my ears, though I can see why some people like them...though some other djent bands are totally beyond me), however one song stuck with me: Scarlet. Seemed musically nicer, mostly due to the front singer doing clean work. Even reminded me slightly of my beloved Protest the Hero at times. A lot of djent songs seem to put their technically up front, but this one felt like it was about the song.
I guess I was just too old already when this came around and now I stick with stuff like Dream Theater, Transatlantic, Protest the Hero, etc when it comes to proggy stuff.
Now I do not wanne wade through all their stuff and other djent stuff, since most of it is not for me, but I wonder if there are other, at least mostly clean sung, melodic djent songs out there I might like. Got the feeling there might be some gems in there.
For refernce, here is Scarlet: http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc (http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc)
Thanks & Cheers!
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I had a listen. I was reminded of stuff like Hope Conspiracy, Thursday, The Haunted, Drowningman. Probably for no good reason. I just was!
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Hej gents,
I am really not a djent fan, but when the Juggernaut came out I listened to a handful of Periphery songs to get the feel. Not my cup of tea (I find it exausting and not too interesting to my ears, though I can see why some people like them...though some other djent bands are totally beyond me), however one song stuck with me: Scarlet. Seemed musically nicer, mostly due to the front singer doing clean work. Even reminded me slightly of my beloved Protest the Hero at times. A lot of djent songs seem to put their technically up front, but this one felt like it was about the song.
I guess I was just too old already when this came around and now I stick with stuff like Dream Theater, Transatlantic, Protest the Hero, etc when it comes to proggy stuff.
Now I do not wanne wade through all their stuff and other djent stuff, since most of it is not for me, but I wonder if there are other, at least mostly clean sung, melodic djent songs out there I might like. Got the feeling there might be some gems in there.
For refernce, here is Scarlet: http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc (http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc)
Thanks & Cheers!
From my experience djent in like a poor mans progressive metal and with added emo and putting bass strings on a guitar and having no indivuality whatsoever.
Djent to progressive metal is like what deathcore is to good death metal.
Its what emo kiddies do when they cant quite grasp the real thing. It gives them a chance to have one foot in the door in those emo/false metal type circles but still having some sort of false sense of superiority over say Avenged Sevenfold or bring Me the Horizon I guess.
EDIT - Probably not a very helpful comment but I think its true! :evil:
DEATH TO FALSE METAL !!
I'm very bored of the djent and deathcore scene now. I wish the next cr@ppy trend would come along. What amazes me is some how were expected to believe this is the evolution of metal.....kind of like we were meant to believe with nu metal.
I'll still be listening to the same music I always did and hopefully some new stuff when these sheeple move onto the next thing
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Yes Jimmy, but just to be clear, do you like it? :wink:
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Yes Jimmy, but just to be clear, do you like it? :wink:
I can take it or leave it!
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I like this thread. I do agree with kichi about the cleaner stuff. Its why I want a set of juggs of my own.
I really like pessimist by misha and tosin
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UItUYIwkFcc
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Scarlett was originally wrote by Mark of Haunted Shores before he joined Periphery so you may like their other stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jp2yKHP8-g
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Thanks a bunch so far guys, I got some things to catch up on now. Look forward to it. Always like to broaden my musical horizon (which kinda leads me to a NGD sometime in the future, cause I am stupid...).
Now my immediate musical future is to explore more folk, blues, hard rock, pop punk and "tech metal" (or whatever you call this here stuff). A bit of those ideas and techniques in my reportoire should be interesting in the long run, all towards the quest of musical soul searching.
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For refernce, here is Scarlet: http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc (http://youtu.be/ilBOMbvICuc)
its an interesting song actually. power metal-ish, but also with an american rock feel. like the blend of cookie monster and proper singing.
i think its pretty good. i won't be buying a copy, but would leave it on if it came on the radio.
i suppose the djent itself is just a sound, but i do think it often gets used to make not-very-good music.
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Also it was tge cleaner side of djent that inspired me to open tune one of my rg's and experiment. I came up with this. Its feet are very much on the ground I think, more palletable maybe? I will push its potential once I get the juggs tho.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1zehY4NHTc
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I like this thread. I do agree with kichi about the cleaner stuff. Its why I want a set of juggs of my own.
I really like pessimist by misha and tosin
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UItUYIwkFcc
I thought it was nice, like a great intro to a song until about half way through that djent riffing came in. Then the song lost me.
Also listened to "Optimist" to compare and liked that better all in all (second part still worse than the first). Still not really my thing. It was a lot more caried by melody, which was great, but still had a too dominant djent rythm for my liking.
Scarlett was originally wrote by Mark of Haunted Shores before he joined Periphery so you may like their other stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jp2yKHP8-g
That kinda struck a chord with me, at least to the degree that I will listen to the whole album ultimatly. Thanks for that! Look forward to seeing what I say after the entire thing. I guess it is not gonna be my new favorite band, but there is a chance it will make it to my MP3 player for variety and to learn something.
Seems a bit overdone, but it has melody, which is key for me.
Also it was tge cleaner side of djent that inspired me to open tune one of my rg's and experiment. I came up with this. Its feet are very much on the ground I think, more palletable maybe? I will push its potential once I get the juggs tho.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1zehY4NHTc
That was quite the relaxing imrov. I like it! Some parts where not too far away from being a nice solo intrumental piece. It even partially had a bit of an Andy Mckee feel to it.
Donīt see what this had to do with Djent, but I will gladly take it. =)
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Cheers man. It was inspired by the djent experimenting with de tuned and alternate tunings on electric guitars/baritones.
In other words even tho, like you, I am not exactly a djent fan I still found something to benefit out of it.
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Cheers man. It was inspired by the djent experimenting with de tuned and alternate tunings on electric guitars/baritones.
In other words even tho, like you, I am not exactly a djent fan I still found something to benefit out of it.
Listening to it again it makes me thing that you could just sing over it quite easily and have a folky song. Transfer it to acoustic or keep electric and more instruments, voila.
The built in bass line makes all the difference.
Really think it would not be hard to pick a part of that improv and make a proper modern folk (pop) song out of it. If I was not struggeling with lyrics I might just do it.
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I have absolutely no idea of what this thread is about but then I thought the Kardashians were on Star Trek so I'll go back to my deck chair and my Enid Blyton.
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:laugh:
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You read childrens books? ;)
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I have absolutely no idea of what this thread is about but then I thought the Kardashians were on Star Trek so I'll go back to my deck chair and my Enid Blyton.
That Scott Disick guy knows how to dress
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http://youtu.be/wfPOANlbyWw
http://youtu.be/dYBZMRWcEBk (http://youtu.be/dYBZMRWcEBk)
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http://youtu.be/wfPOANlbyWw
http://youtu.be/dYBZMRWcEBk (http://youtu.be/dYBZMRWcEBk)
First one somewhere between annoying and great. Some good points though. Loved 90s Djent xD
The second one had me laughing so hard, LOVE IT. Thanks for posting it, absolutly positivly made my day =)
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You listened to the non-instrumental version of their album?
I really can't stand their vocalist.
The non-vocal version I can listen to but it leaves me pretty bored, TBH. I guess it's just not my thing.
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I really can't stand their vocalist.
Same here.
I think he makes the band sound very juvenile. This type of music is way too overproduced for me.
Incredible musicians though!
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I effing hate the term "Djent" nowadays. Far too many children using it as the name of a genre rather than the name of a palm-muting technique. It's supposed to be "Technical Metal" or just "Tech". However, I really do love the kind of tones a lot of these bands use, but there are far too many screamers in the genre.
Having said that, you could always visit the originators... first of all there's Meshuggah who really were the pioneers of the kind of guitar tones and "Djented" chords that are now prevalent in the over-saturated sub-genre of Tech Metal. Try songs like "Bleed" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc), "Rational Gaze" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcDrjPblxs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcDrjPblxs), and my fave "Combustion" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MKyOQU6EPc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MKyOQU6EPc).
But then you have Sikth, who don't necessarily use that kind of tone or even use "Djented" chords, but are the band who really set off this whole scene with their amazing songwriting and use of technical musical ability. I really can't pick many fave songs of theirs as I'm a massive fan of everything they've done, but I guess "Bland Street Bloom" is fairly accessible - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfT3vcG4qZc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfT3vcG4qZc), and the first track "Scent of the Obscene" from their first album - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcRkk5z_U4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcRkk5z_U4).
And then you have our forum's very own Nolly, whose work, which along with Misha "Bulb" Mansoor and Acle Kahney has really helped push the sound along and helped spread it to a wider audience. Check out Nolly's old band "Red Seas Fire" who have some stonking songs, - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jNXbq2Qab0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jNXbq2Qab0) and of course you are already aware of his current outfit "Periphery" (check out the video version of "Jetpacks Was Yes" which is my fave version from the first album - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTICUhCqEaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTICUhCqEaY)), and Nolly's solo-penned effort from the "Clear" EP called "Extraneous" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAq-xM3sK_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAq-xM3sK_I).
And on to my fave band to have come out of this scene: Tesseract. Clean vocals aplenty, and some of the most gorgeously crafted songs in the genre. Plenty of atmosphere and soul. The guitar tones are a lot more kind of Ice-Pickish, but they sit really well in the composition and definitely form a major part of their signature sound. Try "Concealing Fate Part Two: Deception" which is my top pick of their songs with Daniel Tompkins (amazing vocalist!) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_YIiRoRFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF_YIiRoRFM) or "Nocturne" which is my fave from the second album with Ashe O'Hara taking on vocal duties. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=get0cXOsSXg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=get0cXOsSXg)
Other notable entries are:
Uneven Structure - I actually really REALLY dig this band, amazing vocals both harsh and clean, brilliant musicianship (I'm a huge fan of atmospherics) and... just look at this AMAZING video for "Frost / Hail". I've NEVER seen a music video that was so unbelievably awesome for a Tech band! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z38EuVhXzZ8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z38EuVhXzZ8)
Skyharbor - Daniel Tompkins left Tesseract after the first album and joined this band (I think he's still in it, actually), and this track "Catharsis" features a solo from none other than Marty Friedman! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFwYd_52lTs
Textures - Not quite as "Tech" as others on the list, but another old fave of mine, not least because they definitely sport some Devin Townsend influences here on "Awake" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYNhfkNGco
Some instrumental Tech in the form of
Animals As Leaders - Tosin Abasi really is one of those guys who can legitimately justify using an 8-string guitar. He uses every single string and every single fret. Very Jazz-based, but most of the stuff he does under the Animals As Leaders name has a heavier element to it. He's simply amazing. Try "Cafo" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfzWpp0hMc
Chimp Spanner - I really like Chimp Spanner, definitely some Vai / Satriani / Petrucci influences shining through in his playing. "Harvey Wallbanger" is the nuts! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ArPLTLVolI but give some of his other stuff a go, there's a fair amount of variation going on in there.
Other names for the list:
Vildhjarta
Monuments
Veil of Maya
These three are rather on the heavy side, especially Vildhjarta and VoM. If you're not keen on filthy vocals, proceed with caution. :tongue:
Something I've noticed - Vildhjarta are really trying to push a new onomatopoeia: "Thall", not sure whether I'm getting that right or whether they actually are trying to replace the word "Djent" or whether it's just a bit of tongue-in-cheek fun at how silly this whole "Djent" malarkey has gotten. You can hear the "Thall" sound in most of their songs. I may have that completely wrong and "Thall" could mean something totally different to my interpretation, but unfortunately facts are scarce on that particular semi-factoid. :huh: