Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: peter on October 01, 2014, 07:52:53 PM
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hi i have a les paul with bonamassa signature pickups the bridge is a little weak so i bought a crawler for bridge is this gonna be a good rock for bridge and blues for neck set up? otherwise i can probably get another bridge and maybe even trade the crawler for a more suitable bridge online i know a good page where they sell and trade all the time
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The Crawler in the LP will be as full as an Irishman on St. Patricks Day.
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cool :D
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How bright is the natural voice of your Les Paul? The Crawler excels in ash/alder bolt-on guitars like strats. It can be a hit or miss in mahogany. Sometimes the fat and middy Crawler kills in a PRS, but in a Gibson I would be careful. Maybe an Abraxas would be a good compromis between a Mule and the Crawler.
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its a brightsounding les paul so im hoping it will be good if not maybe i go with the abraxas il find out thanks for letting me know the abraxas are a good choice if i hope not the crawler is a miss in the les paul :)
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i sat down with it its not bright its not dark its in between like my j45 acoustic maybe a littlle darker hope it dosent become a problem
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i read its alnico 5 in bridge shouldent that make it more trebly ? :) alnico 2 is warm and 5 is more clear bright right?
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i read its alnico 5 in bridge shouldent that make it more trebly ? :) alnico 2 is warm and 5 is more clear bright right?
It is more that the lower numbered magnets are softer. However do not forget that is only one part of the equasion.
The winding of course is built to work with the magnet, so often vintage pubs are actually somewhat brighter wound because the magnets allow that without getting trebly, while the modern magnets go with a hotter wind which also is a bit darker often.
Short: The magnet gives some idea of the quality of the treble, mids, and low end, not the amount.
So a vintage pub can be trebly but not shrill and piercing while a modern pub can be dark but piercing, and all the options in between. ;)
The basic idea of the magnet types, alnicos, as put by Tim summs it up. https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8005.0 (https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8005.0)
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ok thanks for the info :)
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Let me further elaborate a bit with examples: The Crawler bridge is AV and wound rather hot. The sound is full, warm, organic, growly, towards the dark side, yet present and not dull.
The RY bridge is also AV but with a lighter and different wind. It is punchy, screaming, loads of overtones, up front, and generally much lighter.
Here we have two vastly different sounding pickups both using AV magnets. I would assume different sizes and other factors are playing a role besides the wind as well. Both of them however play to different strengths of the AV magnet. The Crawler puts an emphasis on the defined organic low mids and bass, bringing them into focus without loosing definition, using the clear high end for balance. The RY meanwhile puts the high mids and high end cut up front with a wind that is bright, but not trebly as it is largely comprised of harmonic overtones, while the bottom end is just there for balance being clear cut and punchy.
Pickups like the Mule however are very balanced, but also have more actual high end than the RY in a way, because it has a softer, musically rounded quality to it from the magnet. The lighter wind and different wire bring out the high end and I would assume with a AV magnet it could easily get shrill and piercing. The high end on the Mule and other vintage magnet using pubs will also be more open and true to the original guitar tone, while having a certain jangle to it.
Entirely different kinds of high end and playing with the qualities given in a lot of the pickups here. Plus every guitar they are placed in makes them sound entirely different again cause the wood is another factor in that chain. That is why the Crawler usually does not go in dark guitars and the RY not in bright ones.
Oh and then you have beasts like the Emerald neck in the middle of that entire scale which uses a vintage magnet with modern wire to give the organic feel, singing voice, and mellowness together with a modern cut and fluidity.
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If you want Bonamassa-tones and you own a proper tubeamp, I would inspect a Mules-set too. The Mule-bridge is balanced, yet has a nice bright, but not shrill topend. Bridge- and neck can handle gain with authority. Your win is an open, 3d and complex tone compared to say a Crawler, which has way more compression and slightly less pickattack. For dynamic playing Mules are unsurpassed. I have a Mules-set in my all mahogany Saint Blues Missisippi Bluesmaster and it's my favourite guitar for blues, bluesrock and classic rock. But even funk, soul and jazz is possible. The inbetween position (neck and bridge) is fabulous for that.
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sounds like the mules are good but im tired of the vintage for years ive used vintage pups and wanting to trye something more powerful at least in one of my guitars bu if it isnt me il change back or buy a abraxas or a mule or even a pg blues for the bridge if the last one works even thoug not a set will se its on its way the crawler and im excited
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if i change both joe bonamassa pickups neck to what would you recomand for neck what bareknuckle ? to go with the crawler bridge if it all works out great when i get the crawler and i go all nuts over how goo d it is hehe
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would a treeblebleed kit do any good if the crawler bridge gets to dark in my les paul?
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would a treeblebleed kit do any good if the crawler bridge gets to dark in my les paul?
Most people argue (and I would tend to agree) that '50s wiring is brighter than modern wiring with a treble bleed.
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ok thanks :)
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Crawler-neck is very warm. You can pick a Mule-neck and throw a Crawler in the bridge. Balance will be reasonably ok.
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ok :)
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will a black dog neck work with a crawler bridge ?
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It can, but I think the Mule-neck is more Bonamassa/PAF59.
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ok so then first see if bonamassa works good with crawler if not get a mule for neck :)
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today i got my crawler bridge and instaled it wow tons of power and tone no mudiness or darkness its top my only concern is the neck bonamassa i think i need to change that it sounds great in middle position but neck alone is a huge drop in power and becomes weird so i need advice on bkp neck i want a neck that can do
all the crawler bridge can and dosent drop in power like a rock liek the bonamassa does and maybe a little more paf than crawler bridge just because its neck but no weak vintage either thanks looking forward to see replyes i looked at the mule it seems like 7khom neck might be weak i dont know ? dont want a soundable power drop in the guitar :)
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DC-resistance doesn't tell it all. A neckpickup is in general louder because the string vibration has a higher amplitude. That's why neckpickups in general have less winds/lower output. A Mule-neck in your guitar doesn't lead to a total disbalance.
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ok sry i dont know alot about pickups :)
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ok sry i dont know alot about pickups :)
No problem mate, that's why this forum exists!
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:)
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i adjusted pickup heights and when i have bridge on 8 and i have neck on 10 then its a good balance :)
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i ordered a mule neck from the bkp online buy because to much diifference in output and tone from bonamassa neck im just gonna keep the bonamassa neck and bridge to colect ithink only made 1959 of them i like bkp tonnes better more life and power in them :)
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Very good, another believer in the house!
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thinking about a black dog in bridge instead of crawler but not sure is the black dog from the zeppelin song black dog or just a coincident? because i like the riff
in the song and want that tone zeppelin tone and im waiting on the mule for neck its stuck in customs it seems but it will be here soon i hope :)
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got my mule neck today smooth as silk really something else and volume much more volume than seymour duncan its like yeah this guitar has power hehe even when its called vintage :)
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got my mule neck today smooth as silk really something else and volume much more volume than seymour duncan its like yeah this guitar has power hehe even when its called vintage :)
Yeah, the Mule-neck is fab, one of my favorites. Did you manage to balance the Crawler and the Mule-neck?
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yep and i tryed them on a old jcm 900 and the mule is sick on lead channel best overdrive sound ever :)
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yep and i tryed them on a old jcm 900 and the mule is sick on lead channel best overdrive sound ever :)
Great! Have fun with this fab combo. :-)))
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thanks :)
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im not sure about the crawler bridge after playing i thoguht it was a good combo but then later thinking and visualising the sounds mule is my tone while crawler isnt really it has a kind of metal voicing on cranked dark bassy metal something and ive had it for a while its a good pickup but the mule is better for my kind of playing so im thinking about bridge what to do order a mule bridge to go with the mule neck or something voiced like the mule but able to play any genre exept metal there is and what is the name of that pickup? if there is one a mule but more power for screaming leads :)
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Come on, the Crawler is not a metal thing, it's more or less a hotrodded Mule. Maybe you should lower it a bit and use a bit less gain.
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il think it over worst thing that can happen is i get a mule bridge and i have a mule set :)
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il think it over worst thing that can happen is i get a mule bridge and i have a mule set :)
Mule-bridge is quite bright compared to the Crawler.
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ok i adjusted hight and its better now more the same level of volume and on middle they blend better i remember it being the same thing with other pickup manufacturers you need to tweak with hight on pickups and amp to get it right when you get it right its all good :)
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With scatterwound pickups every mm changes the spectrum.
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i have them corected now they are both good on clean as well as overdrive so no more tweaking it is as you said every mm counts :)
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i have them corected now they are both good on clean as well as overdrive so no more tweaking it is as you said every mm counts :)
Thumbs up! :smiley: