Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: crankyrayhanky on January 01, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
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Happy New Year!
I ordered an open Juggernaut set in Zebra for my Peavey HP Special. This is how the guitar looks stock:
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac139/crankyrayhanky/Peavey%20HP/IMG_2071_zpsa9b31ec6.jpg) (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/crankyrayhanky/media/Peavey%20HP/IMG_2071_zpsa9b31ec6.jpg.html)
So now I realize the stock bridge is Zebra, the neck is reverse zebra.
Would it be a huge tonal difference if I had the neck installed upside down so that I could keep the original look?
Note that the pickups on this new Jugg set are all screws, as opposed to screws and pole pieces
I'll pick tone over cosmetics, so I'll put them in as designed if needed; it'll still still look fine and iI expect it will sound awesome
Thanks!
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Thing with that is that symmetrical humbuckers do not change much if at all noticably. When the coils are offset however (asymmetrical), there is a change, which IIRC should usually mean a tad rounder on the neck if the slug coil is the stronger one.
The Jugg neck is based on the VHII neck, which IIRC is offset. So if I am not mistaken turning it around should make it rounder and fuller as the more powerful coil is closer to the neck. It is hard to guess how big the difference is, but I recon it is noticable. Could be great, could not be your kind of thing.
To be save though IŽd ask BKP themselfs too.
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Thanks^
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and here's the reply by Tim, posted for future reference in case anyone is searching (like me next year, lol):
The Juggernaut humbuckers have symmetrically wound coils so you can orientate them in either direction and it won't affect the tone.
Pickups ready later this week from my tech, I am stoked!
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So the Juggset is bad ass no matter way they are in the cavity.
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Don't you have to flip certain wires, though? I remember reading somewhere about the Air Norton, and when people flipped it like Petrucci did, I'm sure they said you needed to reverse a couple wires. I could be wrong though.
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I had my Cold Sweat flipped in the neck for a while, no bad effects, did look a little odd though (I have covers). advantage of it was that i could wind the pole pieces up a bit more given the neck angle. that had more effect on the tone than the flipping per se. The CS is a symmetric wind
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The Juggernauts are symmetrically wound and have screws on both coils so as long as they are wired in correctly the orientation wont have an effect on the tone.
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both pickups in that image are zebra.
screw coil = white
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both pickups in that image are zebra.
screw coil = white
Oh cr@p, I can't get my head around the whole zebra confusion
Standard Wolfs look like this color scheme, screws on the bottom:
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac139/crankyrayhanky/Wolfgang/DSC01182.jpg) (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/crankyrayhanky/media/Wolfgang/DSC01182.jpg.html)
My black HP has screws on the outside, white on the outside (?)
The more I think about Zebra, the more it hurts....HP is ready and will be picked up today. My tech mentioned something about how flipping it would give a different split coil that will be different than the popular inside coil. No matter, I hardly split, and it may be cool anyway...tune in later to (hopefully) read about my Jugg HP glee!
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The red guitar has two reverse-zebra pickups. screw coils=black.
if you have four conductor wiring you can split whichever coil you like, just need to wire it a different way. You won't notice too much of a difference either way to be honest.
my advice: be cool! i'm sure it will all come out looking and sounding just grand.
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The red guitar has two reverse-zebra pickups. screw coils=black.
if you have four conductor wiring you can split whichever coil you like, just need to wire it a different way. You won't notice too much of a difference either way to be honest.
my advice: be cool! i'm sure it will all come out looking and sounding just grand.
That's why I mentioned the switching wires part. Couldn't remember the reason. But that pretty much sums it up.
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Thanks for all the replies. The guitar zebra looks like the stock and sounds beastly. Too much fun playing to post pics and details, but will soon. BK rules!
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Thanks for all the replies. The guitar zebra looks like the stock and sounds beastly. Too much fun playing to post pics and details, but will soon. BK rules!
don't forget to lets us know how it goes!
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I second that ^
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Here it is!
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac139/crankyrayhanky/37C6A82D-2201-4552-8DD8-F555F08CEEC2_zpscmgzcytc.jpg) (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/crankyrayhanky/media/37C6A82D-2201-4552-8DD8-F555F08CEEC2_zpscmgzcytc.jpg.html)
Cosmetically is very close, maybe a shade lighter than stock, but that may be because it's brand new. The tri tabs seemed to be the right move, no extra mods appear to be done.
The wire job to eliminate the tone pot was a total WIN. There's one less thing in the pathway yielding a more direct Juggernaut >AMP connection. I feared it may result in being too bright; this guitar is set to floating, so I half anticipated needing to get a big block rose upgrade and block it off for dive only to wield that full bodied sound. I have a few HPs, so I really wanted to keep this one floating as my stunt guitar.
The Juggs deliver. The sound is perfect for my tastes. The attack is immediate and the clarity is unreal. It still has the hollow mids thing going on, but that element seems not quite as present as compared to my Gutierrez guitar with the Jugg pickups. That's a good thing; the sound seems much more flexible in this guitar.
Traditional players may seek out the VHII, but I really like modern aggression so this Jugg set was a perfect choice for HP. It's designed for the basswood/maple combo and has a neck pickup that is essentially a souped up VHII. The neck pickup presents a tone that gets you lost and hypnotized- very reactive to nuances, very womanly and vowel like sounds are easy to find. I actually liked the stock neck, but this is easily the best neck pickup ever and is simply jaw dropping. The bridge can be aggressive or toned down for classic rock (not that I stay there often). The highs are never piercing- which is so bizarre with the fast attack (?) Amazing. The cleans are fantastic, which is an astonishing side note, especially in split mode. I actually hated split mode in every guitar I've played over the years (30+), but I can see actually using this split mode.
Is that too much gushing? I can't throw enough accolades out there. If you have a HP type guitar and need a little extra edge for modern rock/metal, DO IT.
I'll get some clips up later. I think I may have a decent recording with the stock pickups going into a Kemper patch that may be useful for scientific comparison.
I have a bunch of HPs and seriously consider getting these for every one. I wouldn't mind trying a different flavor just for fun, so I may try a Blackhawk set in my blue HP. I saw a similar blue guitar with BHawks and just love the look and the specs always intrigued me. Probably a bad move; these Juggernauts are clearly the love of my pickup life.