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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: leolyonsofficial on January 23, 2015, 03:30:58 PM

Title: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 23, 2015, 03:30:58 PM
I want more beef in positions 2 and 4.

Is it feesable to wire these positions in series for more oomph?

What would be the disadvantages of doing this?

The middle pickup is rwrp I think.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: Kiichi on January 23, 2015, 11:37:40 PM
What you would get is a fatter sound, yes. That means you loose some of that single coil twang though. Best course of action is trying it. If you want it fatter you will get that and 1,3,5 still deliver the twang. I mean it is just wiring, try it mate, I am pretty sure youŽll like it.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: AnnunakiMassacr on January 23, 2015, 11:59:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Z7ZIKAXTA
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 26, 2015, 10:13:53 AM
Nice video thanks! Mine is reverse wound in the middle so 2 and 4 are humcancelling but they don't have the power of the other positions 1, 3 and 5!

Like the bridge is more powerful on its own than with the middle so I'm wondering if serial wiring will change this much and what would be the downfall of serial?

I dunno why they don't just make all pickups switching like Brian Mays guitar!

Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: Telerocker on January 26, 2015, 12:06:26 PM
Nice video thanks! Mine is reverse wound in the middle so 2 and 4 are humcancelling but they don't have the power of the other positions 1, 3 and 5!

Like the bridge is more powerful on its own than with the middle so I'm wondering if serial wiring will change this much and what would be the downfall of serial?

I dunno why they don't just make all pickups switching like Brian Mays guitar!

The volumedrop in position 2 and 4 is quite normal with RWRP. Those positions provide classic Fender quack. You loose that if you wire that in series, but maybe that's exactly what you want.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 26, 2015, 01:21:35 PM
Thanks  :grin: :grin:

Any info on how to wire two and four in series?

I might get the best of both worlds as I'm not fussed about quack!
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 26, 2015, 03:01:05 PM
Thanks  :grin: :grin:

Any info on how to wire two and four in series?

I might get the best of both worlds as I'm not fussed about quack!

you can do it with a push/pull pot:
http://www.diyguitarmods.com/stratocaster-series-wiring.php
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 26, 2015, 03:58:30 PM
Is it possible to do without a pot? I'm willing to sacrifice the quack in two and four for pure serial wiring
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 26, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
Is it possible to do without a pot? I'm willing to sacrifice the quack in two and four for pure serial wiring

You can do it with a three way quite easily:
neck, middle+bridge series, bridge

If you used a standard five way things would get messy, I believe you would get something like:
neck, neck in parallel with bridge and middle in series, middle+bridge series, bridge, bridge

Then there are five way super- and mega-switches. Without spending time working out a wiring I couldn't help you with that immediately. There might be something cunning you can do with a four way, but I would need to think about it again

Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 27, 2015, 11:33:36 AM
Sounds like a hassle! I may just get the sinners or use a les Paul for when chug is required.

I find strat types too awkward for Palm mutes as the bridge is too far back  :cool:
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 27, 2015, 12:17:44 PM
Sounds like a hassle! I may just get the sinners or use a les Paul for when chug is required.

I find strat types too awkward for Palm mutes as the bridge is too far back  :cool:

nah... wirings great fun to experiment with :)
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 27, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
You think I can get ballsy chug from the IT set?

I've got a tele deluxe with s1 switching and you get decent balls from the two pups in series.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 27, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
You think I can get ballsy chug from the IT set?

I've got a tele deluxe with s1 switching and you get decent balls from the two pups in series.
yeah for sure, even the bridge alone. do you have a baseplate on there? is there a tone control on that bridge pickup?
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 27, 2015, 01:32:51 PM
I'm not sure as I bought the guitar with ITs pre installed.

Ive been considering lace blue, silver, red set but people either love or hate them.

I know Paul Gilbert has single coils in his fireman so balls are possible!

I play with a keys player so les Paul stock humbuckers just sound muddy and terrible for cleans!
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 27, 2015, 02:41:08 PM
I'm not sure as I bought the guitar with ITs pre installed.

Ive been considering lace blue, silver, red set but people either love or hate them.

I know Paul Gilbert has single coils in his fireman so balls are possible!

I play with a keys player so les Paul stock humbuckers just sound muddy and terrible for cleans!

I work with alot of electronics, and that is also a concern for me - especially with the neck pickup. I think the strat neck works brilliantly with electronics.

For the Les Paul I would suggest a Rebel Yell which is perfect with a electronic right backing.

For your strat you should definitely take the scratch plate of her and see hows shes configured right now. You can work with those Irish Tours for sure, without spending much money. I use strats live very often these days, you can get a great rock sound with a ton of cut from a SSS strat but it needs a bit more thinking about.

Heres a *really* cheesy track, however it shows how strats can work well with electronics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8KHMJU0LaU

Heres my 'recipe':

baseplate on bridge
tone control on bridge pickup
curly cord
treble booster (or DOD 250)
marshall amp
roll the volume control down a bit - it thickens it up for rhythm.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 27, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
Its not a strat its a custom made guitar with one volume and one tone no scratch plate!I I wonder if a tube screamer will give of the tightness I'm looking for?
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: Kiichi on January 27, 2015, 03:38:37 PM
Its not a strat its a custom made guitar with one volume and one tone no scratch plate!I I wonder if a tube screamer will give of the tightness I'm looking for?
Should certainly help. It tightens up the bottom end, drives the amp, and adds some mids, which is often nice for SCs in this application. A Digitech Bad Monkey for example can be had for very little money and delivers a lot for it. Worth a try IŽd say.
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: Telerocker on January 27, 2015, 03:52:11 PM
If you really want to tighten and fatten up your strat, this is a very good one. I own one. Turns your single channel amp into a three channelamp. Loads of gain on tap. Roars and shreds (if necessary).


(http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w582/Stroopwafel61/Guitars/Guitargear/brunetti_mercury2_001_zpsexlqzi54.jpg)
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: gwEm on January 27, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Even a sinner doesn't have an overly loose low end. Strats with "normal" single coils aren't known to be boomy.

But I agree, strats can sound weirdly splatty under gain, because of the very strong treble and attack, without much mid range.

You might find an EQ pedal will allow you to shape the response as you like and give you a load of boost too.

Telerocker: I'll check out that pedal!
Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 28, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
Would compression and eq make much of a difference?

I like to use the middle for clean rhythm as it substitutes for when an acoustic tone Is needed.

Neck works well for cleans and smooth leads.

Bridge for cutting leads or chugging crunch rhythm work.

Neck and middle for power chords

Bridge and neck for distorted palm mutes

Title: Re: got the IT set but...
Post by: leolyonsofficial on January 30, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
I might just whack a sinner with a baseplate on the bridge. Instant beef!