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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: willo on March 25, 2006, 04:20:10 AM
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so, i went out to my local student union and on the way back i had the temerity to call someone 'squire'
he pins me against the wall
tells me he's going to kill me, put me in the cemetery behind me
takes off his jacket
and start getting ready to do me in
what is the $%&#ing need?
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knives knives knives
what is his problem?
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Are you OK mate? You sound understandably shook up.
Was he stopped or did you bolt?
That's the type of situation we all fear.. random violence. There is no excuse and I wouldn’t attempt to reason it out in your own mind if I were you as you’re best putting the whole damn thing in the past.
Thankfully at least you are well enough to be angry so you can live to play another day.
Get right back out and do something fun today.
Good luck
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Knives?
I hate people like that. Glad you're ok.
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I hope ypou are OK Willo. It is indeed a strange world fortunately inhabited my decent people though we all have the misfortune to bump into the crazed idiots from time to time. My son was randomly beaten up in November 2004.Physically he recovered quickly but underneath I did not realise how much it had affected his confidence. Afghan Dave's addvice is good- go out and have fun. The good far outweighs the bad in this world.
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Wow what a tit. Sounds like the chavs round here, me and my mates just hang around talking in town at lunchtime and they walk past shouting "You startin dickhead?!" etc, even when we're not looking in their direction :? I dunno.. never got into a fight with em though so I guess thats good. Hopefully you're ok though.
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This is why we need Chav hunting season.
Good honest people like ourselves get armed to the teeth and go hunt some chav :shock: :D
I'm not a faciast, honest :twisted:
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^ :twisted: :chain: :trans: :rock: :snipe: :impact: :rip: :minigun: :plasma: :gib: :flak: :enforcer: :twisted:
are you ok willo mate? what actually happened? shitett
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Hey chaps, thanks for the kind words (beatle, I'm sorry to hear about your son)
well, interestingly, the guy wasn't a chav. He had some kind of full length leather coat on, I think he was going all Matrix on my ass! :lol:
I dunno man, it just makes me so mad. Because you always think that if you keep your head down you'll be OK. You don't remember that there are obviously dickheads who are so socially maladjusted that they take their anger out on anyone and everyone. It could of been worse, if I'd been on my own I think I would have taken a right beating.
I just don't understand people who do that kind of thing :evil:
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^ neither do i.....
would swear uncontrollable at this point but would be banned.... so i wont...
good job you had some mates/or other people nearby by the sound of the things... he had a knife then?
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Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy.
And the other day my friend got knocked down by some emo-core body builder-types :? (posers) completely unprovoked. I couldnt stop laffing at their patheticness and they chased me hard for ages - luckily i went a route where yu jumped from this roof down onto this pole, which is shite scary and they couldnt do (not had the practice super-indy has). so i got away :lol:
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Just when I thought those things only happen in in the Netherlands. Overhere they'll beat you up because someone thinks you're not walking right. And it's rarely one person, it's always a group.
I live in a small village (pop. aprox. 180) with one bar/disco wich is visited by people from a 10 mile radius. Even here there are random acts of violence on an almost regular basis. Even for a local it isn't safe to walk the streets alone around closing time. It's f#$%ing rediculous!
Some people just can't stand alcohol and turn agressive, however, in most cases, it also involves drugs like XTC, speed or worse.
Ever seen someone's eyes when he's high on that stuff? Scares the sh!t outta me.
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Sorry to hear about that Willo. I hope your ok. Don't let the prick get you down though like Mr 38th & Afghan Dave said, do something that makes you happy. The thing is, being a bloke this sort of thing happens from time to time when your on a night out. Some idiots just take a dislike to you for no reason and then your in a situation that we could all do without.
I was at a party when I was around 23-4 and 3 idiots just piled into me and another 3 or 4 into my mate-for no reason. It was the first time i took a kicking and last but it got really scary. The thing is, my adrenalin went through the roof and I managed to get up and fight back as they were only kicking me with trainers. I managed to stick two full on right handers on two of them and then it finished. I wouldn't recommend that now with all the knives that are routinely carried around, but I felt a whole lot better! :twisted:
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Indy?? Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy
WTF? lol!!!
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Hey, cheers guys.
Yeah, I've calmed down now! The whole story is this:
We were walking back from a club through this little quiet route, took a bit of a detour. It's a nice area, though. And I saw this guy, and you know, I love a bit of the drunken banter! So I chirped up, 'Alright, squire?', you know, having a bit of 'how's the weather'. So he pins me against this wall, grabs me around the throat...And he's going' Do you know what's behind that wall?', I replied: 'The cemetery?' and that's where he informs me I'd be ending up. After this went on for a good few minutes, he takes a step back into the middle of the road, removes his jacket and says:
'You boys got any weapons?'
Er...pretty scared at this stage! Eventually we managed to talk him down and he $%&#ed off. True to form, as he was walking away we shouted 'You tw@t!' and pegged it :lol: It's good to see that even in the most scary situation we managed to still be ridiculous!
Having said that, though, it was pretty scary. I've never really taken a beating in my life and I do try and avoid it, I'm a bit of a pacifist! But, you know, I guess one day I will get that beating I've been trying to avoid, it's just a bit scary when it's so random!
Just got back from town, reported it to the police and that. Not so much because of what happened to me - although, technically it's classed as 'common assault' - but more because he was giving us loads of grief for being students, and it was on one of the main student routes home, so I was a bit worried for other people if you get nutters like that out and about!
Thanks for the kind words guys, group hug?
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Indy?? Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy
WTF? lol!!!
Don't even ask man....don't even ask. It actually probably wasn't a funny situation. i thought i was gonna die :P
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Indy?? Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy
WTF? lol!!!
Don't even ask man....don't even ask. It actually probably wasn't a funny situation. i thought i was gonna die :P
But I'm still trying to work out why a homeless person would have a dingy that you want to borrow!! A Dingy being an inflatable boat used on beach holidays or lifeboat recue?? Or am I getting old and it's slang that's not come my way before?!
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Indy?? Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy
WTF? lol!!!
Don't even ask man....don't even ask. It actually probably wasn't a funny situation. i thought i was gonna die :P
But I'm still trying to work out why a homeless person would have a dingy that you want to borrow!! A Dingy being an inflatable boat used on beach holidays or lifeboat recue?? Or am I getting old and it's slang that's not come my way before?!
He had a dingy cuz its what he sleeps in; we wanted to borrow it because we wanted to sail to this island with an old derelict building on. he had a big scary dog and some dodgy smacked out zombie drug addicts... I had my friend kerrie, and i don't think she was up for a fight tbh, lol.
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Hey, cheers guys.
Yeah, I've calmed down now! The whole story is this:
We were walking back from a club through this little quiet route, took a bit of a detour. It's a nice area, though. And I saw this guy, and you know, I love a bit of the drunken banter! So I chirped up, 'Alright, squire?', you know, having a bit of 'how's the weather'. So he pins me against this wall, grabs me around the throat...And he's going' Do you know what's behind that wall?', I replied: 'The cemetery?' and that's where he informs me I'd be ending up. After this went on for a good few minutes, he takes a step back into the middle of the road, removes his jacket and says:
'You boys got any weapons?'
Er...pretty scared at this stage! Eventually we managed to talk him down and he $%&#ed off. True to form, as he was walking away we shouted 'You tw@t!' and pegged it :lol: It's good to see that even in the most scary situation we managed to still be ridiculous!
Having said that, though, it was pretty scary. I've never really taken a beating in my life and I do try and avoid it, I'm a bit of a pacifist! But, you know, I guess one day I will get that beating I've been trying to avoid, it's just a bit scary when it's so random!
Just got back from town, reported it to the police and that. Not so much because of what happened to me - although, technically it's classed as 'common assault' - but more because he was giving us loads of grief for being students, and it was on one of the main student routes home, so I was a bit worried for other people if you get nutters like that out and about!
Thanks for the kind words guys, group hug?
Maybe this could be a good lesson learned, don't talk to, or approach strangers on the road at night. You could have been stabbed to death quite easily, and in the middle of night, there's plenty of nutters around who won't think twice about doing it.
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Indy?? Yeah the chav virus seems to be spreading to other sections of society. Yesterday i got attacked by a homeless person for being a fag wen i asked if i could borrow his dingy
WTF? lol!!!
Don't even ask man....don't even ask. It actually probably wasn't a funny situation. i thought i was gonna die :P
But I'm still trying to work out why a homeless person would have a dingy that you want to borrow!! A Dingy being an inflatable boat used on beach holidays or lifeboat recue?? Or am I getting old and it's slang that's not come my way before?!
He had a dingy cuz its what he sleeps in; we wanted to borrow it because we wanted to sail to this island with an old derelict building on. he had a big scary dog and some dodgy smacked out zombie drug addicts... I had my friend kerrie, and i don't think she was up for a fight tbh, lol.
I see! Sounds like a trip!!
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Unfortunately there are nutters around
Some just looking for trouble and others under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
I avoid "detours" or short cuts and avoid any communication with such types
Sadly the baseball cap and tracksuit or hoodie has come to represent a possibilty of "idiot within" in many town centres.
Remember 10 pikeys running down a street = a chav-alanche!
Many of these types feel the need at this age to prove themselves and are too thick to do it other than through violence or crime.
Most will grow out of it in time - the secret is to avoid being caught up in their nonsense before they grow out of it.
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That's crazy- glad you're ok, willo!
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For the non-Europeans here I gotta ask: Who the hell are chavs?
I went to a couple of really rough schools (not in Canada) and was in over 100 fights there. I was thrown from a moving train once by three guys who all hated me separately and then realised they'd be more effective as a bunch. Shame they figured this out on the train. It was mostly "pick on the new kid" stuff, but I didn't back down and so was in fights nearly every day.
It helps to look confident, but not confrontational (I've learnt this since). Thank God I haven't been in a fight since high school.
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Thrown from a moving train?? That's horrendous. 100 fights? That's got to be a really rough area.
A 'chav' is a stereotype. It means someone who is usually dressed in a tracksuit, wearing a cap and who wears a lot of gold jewellery. They're usually foul-mouthed, extremely unintelligent and violent. They often beat people up and steal their phone/wallet/whatever they have on them and they often film it on their mobile phones. It's called 'happy slapping'. They normally hang around in groups of 10 or so, hurling abuse at anyone passing by and starting fights with people who are on their own. Basically if you hit a chav back, the whole group kick you in. I'm lucky to be stronger than my small size suggests and a fast runner, so on the only occasion where a 'chav' has grabbed me, he's been down on his arse very quickly and I've legged it before he can get up and his mates can kick the s**t out of me. This happened in the centre of Manchester. Chav concentration seems to be a lot higher in city centres :D. I live in a small village, and we don't have many. if any. There are a few groups of lads who fit the chav stereotype, but they're often quite friendly and are never looking for trouble.
For the record, I don't believe there are really 'chavs', they're just the same belligerent, violent, horrible people you can get anywhere. 'Chav' is more of a fashion thing IMO. You get arseholes wearing tracksuits and you get them wearing suits. Same as you get some really nice people wearing tracksuits and caps.
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Maybe this could be a good lesson learned, don't talk to, or approach strangers on the road at night. You could have been stabbed to death quite easily, and in the middle of night, there's plenty of nutters around who won't think twice about doing it.
True, true, but I'm not going to get all paranoid. Yeah, that could have happened for sure, but at the same time it's not super likely. Given that I was with two of my mates and it was in a nice neighbourhood, I wasn't really expecting that. I know when to keep my head down, but this was well out of the blue.
Mark, a chav is like a scally, you know, all adidas tracksuits, baseball caps, over the top jewellrey and generally not the nicest people. I think to a certain extent they have become demonized over the last few years, to the point now where some of them are acting in an according manner now - self fulfilling prophecy and all that. This guy wasn't a chav though, just some guy in a leather jacket.
Incidentally, you got thrown from a moving train? I don't mean to poke fun but I've just got this image of an old Wild West style train rolling through the outback, it's all gone a bit Hollywood movie for me! Must have hurt though.
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I'm just glad you are ok
Take care!
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So is a chav kinda like the person Ali G sends up? In any case, I totally get that people can suck regardless of what they're wearing. But sometimes a certain group is overwhelmingly filled with idiots with very few exceptions.
Yeah, the train thing wasn't much fun. I tucked and rolled . . . and rolled . . . and kinda bounced a little, then sorta skidded to a stop. Heh. It does sound funny now, but it freaked me out then.
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thrown from a moving train?!?!?! omg... may not have been fun but what a cool thing to say you have done...
"yer... i was er..... chucked from a moving train once... 8) "
anyway, willo, like everyone said, gld you're ok...
'chav' stands for:
'council house and violent'
theres some pretty funny definitions if you go on www.urbandictionary.com and search 'chav'.
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really? there's a definition?
thats grand. In Newcastle they call em charvers for ages, so I always thought it was just a variant of that?
Well, anyway, thanks for all the good wishes chaps! In a way it feels a bit like a non-event, but I'm glad it is. I used to be a bit of a dab hand at judo years ago so I might get back on the old martial arts. I'm just worried I'd break my hand or something - no guitar!
Hey Sam, if I get killed, I bequeth you my Super Chili Picoso for free :lol:
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^ YAY! :D
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last january my 26 year old brother got punched by an old man. :lol:
you see i my bro came to see me at work because we were going out that night, and he said he would pop round to mine at bout 7pm.
so while he os there, this random guy walks into the grounds of the lodge and says we are tresspassing, so i said, 'i work here you idiot, your the one who's 'tresspassing' '
so my bro said 'who are you anyway?'
he replied 'i'm kieth buckley and i do child photography'
bro says 'that sounds wrong'
kieth says 'you're tresspassing'
SMACK!
right in the face! of course he couldn't hit him back, as well as not liking vilence he was just some silly old man.
we couldn't help but laugh as he was ringing the police and dodging punches from so old geezer.
when the police man got there he told the old man to go home or he would probably get done for ABH........but not without laughing.
:lol:
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right in the face! of course he couldn't hit him back, as well as not liking vilence he was just some silly old man.
:lol:
Sigh. Old people these days. They just don't know their place.
I had some old guy nearly crash into me on the road the other day, so I honked at him to let him know I was there and he was gonna hit me. His white-haired wife looks out the window and gives me the finger! :evil: I should have run the old gits off the road.
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Chav's are just "Boy racers" for the year 2000, or "Kevs" as we used to call them.
Willo, I am glad that you got away with it mate, I have a similar story(dont we all). I was at college and walking through town(middle of day) when 2 brothers notoriously known, "The Hicks" shoulder barged me nearly into the road, so I turned around around and stupidly told him to feck off....whoops :roll: . They both were on me in what seemed like seconds and had me against the wall threatining all sorts and as you do I refused to back down, even though I had no chance, but fortunatley for me a sierra pulled up and the bloke inside wound down the window and told them to put me down, they told him to dissapear, so he got out of his car ...with a hammer!!!! :lol: . He was bigger than either of them. I dont know what happened after that because he told me to get going.
I felt some sort of twisted justice that day. Even now though as an adult with a wife and 2 kids I get the twitch if I see anyone slightly dubious looking in the street but then but then a lot of time and other things have passed since then and I know what I am capable of also. :evil:
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^^ HAHAHAH!!! A HAMMER!??!?!?!?!? HAHHAHAH!!!!! wicked....
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You should see some of the 'Grizzlys' I work with!
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I remember looking after some stuff one night and my friend had a pair of pliers as a weapon. Seriously, pliers.
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:lol: pliers... thats a classic
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I ALWAYS carry a dildo... not as a weapon but it's always good to have a dildo...
Better the have it and not need it than need it and not have it I always say..
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I ALWAYS carry a dildo... not as a weapon but it's always good to have a dildo...
Better the have it and not need it than need it and not have it I always say..
ROTFLMAO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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A dildo could be useful if you find yourself in a position where you enexpectedly need to roll pastry. I have heard that you can get some quite decorative effects with a dildo.
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A dildo could be useful if you find yourself in a position where you enexpectedly need to roll pastry. I have heard that you can get some quite decorative effects with a dildo.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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good to know what I am moving back to, Yay, NOT!
Maybe I WILL keep my guns lol (kiddin)
Glad u r ok Willo!
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Actually now I think about it, last year when my Dad was diagnosed and was in intensive care I was driving to the hospital with my mum (obviously stressed enough as it was), we were on a country road and 3 idiots were walking abreastwith one in our lane. Cars were coming the opposite direction so "going around" was not an option. My mum gently "peeped" her horn (as if they did'nt know she was there and they/he was in the way anyway) and this ASS*OLE turns around, starts giving my mum single fingure salutes with both hands, advancing on the car and then banging the bonnet.
The ONLY thing that stopped me getting out and either A. Going to Jail for SERIOUS damage to an ass*ole or B. going to hospital for trying to do damage was my mum. She grabbed me, told me NO and made me fear her retribution more than any other action.
But honestly, my mum is 73yo, grey haired and probably weighs about 120lbs dripping wet, what the hell is the world coming to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Willo sorry to hear about the hassles, it can really knock your confidence for six.
Having been glassed, teeth fractures and having my eye knocked out of its orbit it's a real bad feeling, but don't let them stop you from having a life, or disturb you for too long.
Kto lit areas (preferbly with CCTV around) and if nessicary cross the road well in advance of any dodgy looking characters.
As for martial arts here is what I have found :
judo you have to get in too close
Karate etc, you hurt yourself when you hit/kick people, and leave yourself open to assult charges
Akido is about the most useful, both legally and physically, as it's defensive only assult charges are very unlikely, plus you don't hurt yourself as you don't hit anybody.
You should bear the assult business in mind as I ended up with a GBH conviction when removing my brother in law from the house while he was being abusive towards my son (then 8 years old) and myself.
Admittidly I did thump him twice (well what do you do when a 40 year old man calls your 8 year old boy a bar-steward and worse, then won't leave the house). However when he grabbed me and I pushed him off, he went over on his ankle, and broke it. I was judged to have been irresponsible for pushing him off me and was found guilty of GBH.
Provocation dosn't appear to be examined in the court system these days so please be careful. This has resulted in having to cancel family plans to emigrate to Australia, and my job hunting prospects are fu**ed for the next 8 years.
Don't let yourself get into the same (or worse) position by carrying any perceived weapons, or getting all medieval on somebodys ass (even if they do deserve it).
Be aware at all times, and look after yourself,
Rob...
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For the non-Europeans here I gotta ask: Who the hell are chavs?
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
Somehow I seem to be able to avoid trouble - it must be because I am a big bloke with a shaved head he he.
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ive not had much bother from chavs (or neds, as we call them round these parts.) last time a group gave me some bother i just smacked the leader, the biggest one there actually, and every one of the lil bar-stewards legged it. maybe that and im a big person myself, 6'4 and pretty well built...
plus carrying a small knife in my bag in with a load of tools helps a little.
oh and if you want something to help you out around a town i reccomend adding some choice key rings... yep thats a padlock and one of those 'scoobie' things my cousin made me. voila, a home made mace...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/unsubtle57/Picture51.jpg)
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I think Rob's warning is to be taken seriously. A good mate of mine did time in prison because he went to the aid of someone who was being beaten up by two "men". He took both on and beat them off her- she legged it, the police turned up and arrested him because the two men swore blind he'd attacked them without provocation. He was very very bitter towards the system thereafter and to this day can be a very moody guy. Best thing is to try to avoid confrontation and violence but if it is thrust upon you then learning self defence is worthwhile. It is a mixed up world but like I said earloier, most people are good decent people- there is always an undercurrent of rubbish that should be removed from society.
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most people are good decent people
Now there's a topic open to debate. ;)
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I only ever really got stick from chavs when i was in school. They were a bunch of idiots then, now they're a bunch of drug addicted/dealing idiots. Makes me laugh how they turned out when they thought they were 'it' and were better than every one else. I've turned out better than they have and i'm not even any where near the goal i've set for myself. I do sometimes get lip from pikeys and chavs at the shopping mall i visit now and then, but it's mostly little kids with there older friends who mouth off. But you can't hit them because they're younger, even though they really deserve a good whollop to the face to learn to treat people with respect.
A funny story. I was about 11 years old and i'd found a bike lying in some bushes behind a shopping mall, so i decided to take it to the police station. I decided to just ride it there because it was quite a walk. I got stopped by some much older guy who claimed i stole his bike and demanded money for the repairs. I refused because i told him what had happened, so he hit me round the head. Broke my nose, bumps and bruises and he ran off with his mates.
Turns out my cousin was mates with him. This blokes mates found out i was only 11 so he became a laughing stock and a mate of my cousins' beat the cr@p out of him. Took him to court, got some compensation and he done community service. I haven't really seen him since, but if he ever started again, i wouldn't hesitate to react strongly. He gets into trouble all the time with mugging his mum and drugs. What a tosser :lol:
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mugging his mum!!! hahaha
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mugging his mum!!! hahaha
Yep pretty much. He stole all her jewellry from her bedroom and sold if off, she found it all in the market in town. Stupid bitch probably still thinks the sun shines out of his arse
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Maybe this could be a good lesson learned, don't talk to, or approach strangers on the road at night. You could have been stabbed to death quite easily, and in the middle of night, there's plenty of nutters around who won't think twice about doing it.
True, true, but I'm not going to get all paranoid. Yeah, that could have happened for sure, but at the same time it's not super likely. Given that I was with two of my mates and it was in a nice neighbourhood, I wasn't really expecting that. I know when to keep my head down, but this was well out of the blue.
Mark, a chav is like a scally, you know, all adidas tracksuits, baseball caps, over the top jewellrey and generally not the nicest people. I think to a certain extent they have become demonized over the last few years, to the point now where some of them are acting in an according manner now - self fulfilling prophecy and all that. This guy wasn't a chav though, just some guy in a leather jacket.
Incidentally, you got thrown from a moving train? I don't mean to poke fun but I've just got this image of an old Wild West style train rolling through the outback, it's all gone a bit Hollywood movie for me! Must have hurt though.
2 extra friends? 3 against one, he would have to be an extremely capable fighter to stand and actually contend with 3 young guys, I can't believe your mates didn't jump on him.
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I know, but this guy was a bloody psycho, I think it intimidated my friends...none of us are fighters anyway and you've got this built 6 foot 4 guy grabbing me by the throat against a wall and wanting to know if we've got any weapons...you know, it was probably quite intimidating.
Besides, at the end of the day, we sorted it without violence so I don't see any point in moaning about it.
:D
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Besides, at the end of the day, we sorted it without violence so I don't see any point in moaning about it.
:D
No problem, but such things can throw you off your normal way of going at times, sometimes you have to speak about it to get a normal perspective upon the event.
Rob...
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Oh I know, I completely understand. My point was that it could have worked out a lot worse than it did; but it didn't so I feel quite happy and glad for that. - I'm not going to let this whole episode get me down.
I know it might not necessarily be a popular view, but I'm still opposed to 3 guys jumping one guy before any punches were thrown - and I'm glad we didn't. If we had of kicked off, then surely we all would have copped at least one punch each.
However, yeah, lessons have been learned...I think I'll get back into learning some self defence again. I used to be good at judo back in the day but that was a long time ago. I always wanted to learn krav maga but no-one round here teaches that, so I'll check out some akido that you recommended. There's also a Gung Fu class round the corner, probably worth checking out.
:)
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However, yeah, lessons have been learned...I think I'll get back into learning some self defence again. I used to be good at judo back in the day but that was a long time ago. I always wanted to learn krav maga but no-one round here teaches that, so I'll check out some akido that you recommended. There's also a Gung Fu class round the corner, probably worth checking out.
If you can find a Tong Long class or private instructor near you, go for that. It's possibly the most effective martial art form available to the general public. I shared a house with an instructor for a little while and this stuff is effective. A friend we knew who also did it got jumped by three guys with baseball bats while out walking with his wife and he put them all in hospital without him or his wife being hit once.
Tong Long UK Site (http://www.tonglong.co.uk/)
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ooh, gotten onto Martial Arts now :)
Well, I hold belts in Lau Gar Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Wing Chun and Aikido.
The most useful, IMO, is Aikido.
I usually advocate flight before fight, but Aikido is good for close quarters and uses the opponents strength against them. I think it's a great art to learn.
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ooh, gotten onto Martial Arts now :)
Well, I hold belts in Lau Gar Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Wing Chun and Aikido.
The most useful, IMO, is Aikido.
I usually advocate flight before fight, but Aikido is good for close quarters and uses the opponents strength against them. I think it's a great art to learn.
Maybe we need to start our own thread. ;)
The problem I have with Aikido is that it's more of a reactive style. I prefer one that lets me hit first. To be honest, I haven't ever studied Aikido in any depth, so slap me around if I'm way off base.
I've done Tae Kwon Do (useless, IMO), Tong Long, Hapkido, Jeet Kune Do, and briefly looked into Jiu Jitsu, Wing Chun, Ninjitsu, Muay Thai, and Shaolin Chin Na.
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I went to a kickboxing lesson once, came home and kicked by brother in the face. Mum wouldn't let me go again :cry: probably for the best to tell the truth...
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damn you have to be 18 to do aikido... :evil: it sounds really cool.
^i think one of my mates does Jiu Jitsu.... you get to use loadsa crazy weapons in that one dont you?
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Depends upon your persona I guess.
I am not an antagonist really. I get high blood pressure easily but it's "steam" lol.
I would prefer to end and not start a fight.
I studied Tae Kwon Do for "sport" purposes as I could fight full contact sparring in comps.
I prefer the Chinese arts for fluid attack and outright "overcoming" an opponent. But, imo Aikido (or any derivative) is great for defense purposes (with the "teaching you a lesson for picking on the wrong guy" effect).
The simplicity and finess of pressure points, locks, counter strength involved in Aikido is what I love.
I am NO lover of Mr S. Seagal as an actor, but he actually does a pretty good job with Aikido in his flicks.
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im gonna remember this aikido until i can do it..
lol indy... kicking your brothre in the face.... tut tut
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Fair enough. I can go along with that. :)
I did Tae Kwon Do as a kid, because back then I didn't know anything else and thought self defense = karate = TKD. It did keep me damn fit though. We had four-hour long gradings!
On a slightly tangental topic, I got to be in the same room as Pat Morita (Mr Miyagi) at a Goshin Ryu grading in the 80s. He was visiting for some reason. I can't remember why.
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i think one of my mates does Jiu Jitsu.... you get to use loadsa crazy weapons in that one dont you?
Jiu Jitsu is like wrestling. Locks and holds, take-downs--that kinda thing. The Brazilian style is thought to be the most effective, but I can't say I know very much about it at all--and it's been so long since I even thought about this stuff. Nowdays all I do is post on this forum. :oops:
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Gracie Ju Jitsu, LOL
Bit big headed that lot. Very quiet after they got their asses kicked way back in first rounds of the Ultimate Fighter/Cage Matches they started off lol. That was after a few years of said tournaments btw.
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I studied Tae Kwon Do for "sport" purposes as I could fight full contact sparring in comps.
I am NO lover of Mr S. Seagal as an actor, but he actually does a pretty good job with Aikido in his flicks.
I did Tae Kwon Do for a few years, along with a lot of full contact in my younger years, it was great fun being 5'7" and 9 stone, and beating much larger (and higher graded) opponants.
Unfortunitely asthma (and club politics) killed off that style.
Akido is such a different mindset and watching our instructor (who was 73 at the time) throwing Tae Twon Do 3rd Dan instructors around with such ease was amazing. Unfortunitely asthma killed that off too :(
Rob...
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Sorry to hear that Rob.
Ever look into Tai Chi?
Yeah I know the stereotype that it has, but you ever see a Master? LOL
The analagy of an old guy effortlessly throwing off a whole bunch of young turks :). Saw a Master once and he was soooooooo graceful yet oozed inner power.
Funny how Tai Ci is looked upon as a kind of joga or somthing by many. In it's later form it is awesome!
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Sorry to hear that Rob.
Ever look into Tai Chi?
Yeah I know the stereotype that it has, but you ever see a Master? LOL
The analagy of an old guy effortlessly throwing off a whole bunch of young turks :). Saw a Master once and he was soooooooo graceful yet oozed inner power.
Funny how Tai Ci is looked upon as a kind of joga or somthing by many. In it's later form it is awesome!
I have considered it but I would prefer to have a real tutor and not some bearded hippie. My wife attended a group for a while but the tutor claimed that there was no martial art involved so I decided that he was a fraud.
I remember seeing video of a master in action way back in the early 80s and it was the business (Akido on steroids), though it looked (for want of a better term) very mellow but also focused, controlled (theres a set of condictory terms) and very powerful.
I suppose while I'm spending so much time in London I should look into finding a good tutor.
The thing I enjoyed most about Tae Kwon Do where the (as the japanese styles call them) katas, once you get into the flow it's a wonderful form of meditation. I suppose thats how Vai feels when he is practising his scales.
Damn I wish I wasnt so lazy.
Rob...
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Exactly and the little Tai Chi I have done is very meditative also. Really allows for focus. Like getting lost but fully aware, y'know.
Anyway, my thought is that a GOOD teacher is the biggest obstacle always.
I think (with your past experience and obvious love) you should give it a shot!
Good Luck Rob.
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Exactly and the little Tai Chi I have done is very meditative also. Really allows for focus. Like getting lost but fully aware, y'know.
Anyway, my thought is that a GOOD teacher is the biggest obstacle always.
I think (with your past experience and obvious love) you should give it a shot!
Good Luck Rob.
Good description :)
Now that I have fought off depression (& the medication) it's time to lose the padding and find a (good) Tai Chi tutor (jeez me having entheusiam this is bad)
Thanks,
Rob...
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LOL
just watch out for the sambomeister calling you Grasshopper from now on LOL
Seriously, Martial Arts has ALWAYS been a positive in my life.
Go on and do it.
Or as Darrell would say "git yer pull" :)
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GRASSHOPPER!!! YES!!!!
cheers nick :twisted:
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SH*T,
sorry Rob, forgot the ever present spirit of the Sameister is here and misses nought!
My deepest apologies for the manic rantings of young Sambo that will ultimately ensue.
Please forgive my momentary lapse of concentration :oops:
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:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
this is vital ammo for my recent invention... "the rob-o-fier"
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Rob, you may need that medication back again (just kiddin', you sound like ya doin' great) just need a Sambotazer.
Hmmmm, can get ya one if ya want :twisted:
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Don't need to, Sambo makes me smile (or is it wind I'm not sure).
Smiling is a good thing.
Rob...
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ROFLMAO
prolly wind :)
But he is VFM I rectum :twisted:
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have no idea what VFM I rectum means.... but the word rectum hints that its something to the contrary of good :evil: hmmmmmm :evil:
rob you question about whether it was the wind or me is ridiculous...
because the wind and i are one and the same....
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VFM=value for money
rectum=play on words like reckon :)
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:lol: ahhhh it suddenly all makes sense....
wait a sec... VALUE FOR MONEY!?!?!?!??!?!!!!!
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BTW
it AIN'T funny if ya gotta explain it :roll:
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lol yer i know hahaha....
hmmmm
decisions decisions.... hmmm get nick to explain, lose humour... keep possibility of humour, lose understanding.... hmmmm :?
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Grasshopper,
Confucus he say, if a joke has to be explained then it's usually not very funny.
It's a bit like the phrase "You just had to be there" usually follows a long and very unfunny story.
Rob...
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^ yer its a bitch when that happens isnt it.... you eagerly begin your recllection of a HILARIOUS story.. then quickly watch the listeners face descend into a fiery pit of boredom.... and you sputter those all-too-familiar words.. "well yer know... yer had to be there... it was really funny"
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It's that tumbleweed moment.
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i thought tumbleweed was mexican stand-off moment....
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Guess whos back...
Oh dear, chavs are the bane of the earth.
Chav is derived from a latin word meaning gypsy, apparently.
Ive had a few encounters with chavs, but they have no balls so if you stand up to them, they freak out and leave.
Speaking of arseholes anywhere, some kid in my year tried to trip me up on the last day of term while calling me an emo.
So i pinned him up against the wall by his neck, and he was scared.
And it felt gooood.
Violence is not the answer, but it sure helped me feel good.
And i got the sympathy from my peers...
Arseholes never win, mmwuuahahahahaa.
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^ yer its a bitch when that happens isnt it.... you eagerly begin your recllection of a HILARIOUS story.. then quickly watch the listeners face descend into a fiery pit of boredom.... and you sputter those all-too-familiar words.. "well yer know... yer had to be there... it was really funny"
Yeah hahaha do it all the time.
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^ yer its a bitch when that happens isnt it.... you eagerly begin your recllection of a HILARIOUS story.. then quickly watch the listeners face descend into a fiery pit of boredom.... and you sputter those all-too-familiar words.. "well yer know... yer had to be there... it was really funny"
Yeah hahaha do it all the time.
Makes you look like a total moolally, i hate it when that happens...
All my jokes end up like that.
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Crickets go: tjirp, tjirp,tjirp..........
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^ hmmm... yes... yes i agree ratrod... i agree entirely...
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Last time I got a kicking was in a chippy in Belfast, sitting with me missus and a few of her wee mates after a gig. One of the girls fell off her chair and was getting roundly mocked for her sins. I politely asked the lads at the next table to lay off her. Got vigourously slapped by six fellas for my troubles. The whole thing took a turn for the ridiculous when one of them lifted the charity box from behind the counter and began walloping me over the head with it. Luckily, some of the chippy's scummy staff had liberated all the charitable donations from it, so the daft bugger might as well have hit me with a balloon. It was enough to turn the thing, get me out of the corner and get some digs in myself, at which point the cops arrived and dragged me, and me alone, of to the local nick for some questioning and sectarianism. Ahhh, Belfast. Apparently I asked for it, it being a local chippie for local people and all, and as I'd had three pints of stout, my statement was inadmissable...
My point. These $%&#ers beat people up and act like thugs because they get away with it every time. Because cops are lazy shitees.