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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 06:29:21 PM

Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 06:29:21 PM
ok so my quest for the middle-priced combo of my dreams goes on....

im gonna have around £500 to spend...

ENGL thunder 50  is top of the list at the mo, joined by the AC30....

HTH just recently informed me you can get 5150 combos for under £500.... been looking at em on ebay... and its obvious they dont go for much more than that.....

but why is this? is there such a huge difference between head/cab and combo? i know that of course in reality, yes, theres gonna be a big difference between and half stack and combo because cabs project the sound wayyyyyyyyy better.... but im getting a combo... and thats that...

so how do the 5150 combos fare? has anyone ever tried one? what styles do they suit best?

any info much appreciated.

thanks,

sam.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Searcher on March 25, 2006, 06:51:42 PM
I've never owned a 5150, but I've had two other Peavey amps and played through a few more and they all sucked.  I can't stand Peavey amps.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
Just get a JCM800 combo and a boost pedal.... :D
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: indysmith on March 25, 2006, 07:17:27 PM
whats this clown talkin' 'bout? 5150 sambo!? you wouldn't like it - i know ur style and it is a style that requires tone; a feature that (unfortunately) the 5150 does not support :cry:
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 08:45:59 PM
well.... WHAT DO I NEED THEN!¬?!?!?!? HAHAERAYRGHAREF Bhgvbfsdfgfg

screw you all.... ill buy a 5150 and love it
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Searcher on March 25, 2006, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: sambo
well.... WHAT DO I NEED THEN!¬?!?!?!?


Who knows!  You've listed three amps that really sound nothing alike and you want us to suggest another one?

At least give us some idea of the sound(s) you're trying to achieve.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 08:55:37 PM
well apparently... indy 'knows my style' anyway....


anything rock-hard rock- to a bordering on metal but not really metal...

nothing softer than classic rock....

thats about as specific as i need.... im not looking for a very specific sound at all
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 08:58:21 PM
They don't really do cleans that well at all. From your clip I take it your into that stuff so an AC30 would be a good choice.
5150's are metal amps really. WFD has one! See if there are any old JCM800 combos around, there nice for across the range of tones.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 09:01:45 PM
mmm yer i thought they might be a bit heavy... but wasnt sure exactly what they were capable of...

but if WFD has one lol... then its not for me  :lol:

ac30's are really REALLY nice.... its like the only valve amp ive played apart from my laney though lol...

but they just havent got enough gain for me really.... although just the quality of the cleans is appealing...

thats another thing to add to the requirements list-

decent cleans...

ok so its:

-good cleans
-enough gain for classic rock--->hard rock
-combo
-fairly versatile so its not just a complete one trick pony (this is because my band does some odd songs which dont really fit our style)
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:06:05 PM
The other thing with 5150's is there big and weigh a ton! Do marshall do a DSL combo? I think they do, that would be a good amp. If you want to invest in a tone machine that will give you goose bumps then add some more money to your pot and check out any of the Koch range, as an owner of one, believe me they will blow you away sound wise. Cheaper than a Mesa!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 09:08:28 PM
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: sambo
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out


They do! I dunno if its any good or not though, as I've not played it, but from what I've read they arent that good compared to the older Marshalls. Koch are so expensive.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 09:27:00 PM
i see....

johnny... what about a koch studiotone? 20w valve combo £650...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: sambo
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out


I dunno to be honest Sambo but a grand will get a cracker, there gorgeous amps and well worth that bit more but not silly money like Mesa

Have a look here for prices http://www.machinehead.co.uk/koch.php

Whole range www.koch-amps.com
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: sambo
i see....

johnny... what about a koch studiotone? 20w valve combo £650...


Not tried it but Bird a dude who comes in here from time to time in Canada tried one out and said it was great.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out


They do! I dunno if its any good or not though, as I've not played it, but from what I've read they arent that good compared to the older Marshalls. Koch are so expensive.


Tom there not thats the cool thing about them. The head i've got will give Deizels a run for the money all day long and that Herbert head they do goes over 2 grand and you still need a cab.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 09:36:21 PM
kool.....

omg....  :lol:  oooooooh dear....

dunno whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.... my nemesis.... one of the few UK stockists.... GRRRRRRRRRR

just the name machinehead pisses me off...

still... i need to overcome my anger and try one in there.... may ask for a discount because they were utter ^&%%'s before...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out


They do! I dunno if its any good or not though, as I've not played it, but from what I've read they arent that good compared to the older Marshalls. Koch are so expensive.


Tom there not thats the cool thing about them. The head i've got will give Deizels a run for the money all day long and that Herbert head they do goes over 2 grand and you still need a cab.


I thought I saw one of the smaller combos for around £700 ish before which is a bit much as you can probably get much better stuff for that price.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
how much is their cheapest 'good' one? koch that is....

not sure if marshall do a combo dsl.. ill check it out


They do! I dunno if its any good or not though, as I've not played it, but from what I've read they arent that good compared to the older Marshalls. Koch are so expensive.


Tom there not thats the cool thing about them. The head i've got will give Deizels a run for the money all day long and that Herbert head they do goes over 2 grand and you still need a cab.


I thought I saw one of the smaller combos for around £700 ish before which is a bit much as you can probably get much better stuff for that price.


I doubt it! There stuff sounds amazing. £700 isn't a lot when you consider the research and engineering that goes in to amps like this.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: sambo
kool.....

omg....  :lol:  oooooooh dear....

dunno whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.... my nemesis.... one of the few UK stockists.... GRRRRRRRRRR

just the name machinehead pisses me off...

still... i need to overcome my anger and try one in there.... may ask for a discount because they were utter ^&%%'s before...


Yeah I read about your shitety email! Well I've found them a bit funny in the past too. Holiday Music do them. There in Leyton East London. Amazing shop too, it's like a warehouse in there!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 09:46:47 PM
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: sambo
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...


thats true but £700 is still a lot of moolah. What kinda tone do Kochs have anyway? Modern or vintagey kinda vibe?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...


thats true but £700 is still a lot of moolah. What kinda tone do Kochs have anyway? Modern or vintagey kinda vibe?


The do it all Tom Lovely cleans vintage and modern, mild overdrive crunch, scooped thrash, Zakk lead tones, you could plug an 8 string in and be doing Messhugga in a few minutes! I'm still finding new sounds in mine after 8 months. I've been on mine all day and there are so many sounds you can find. Cheaper amps just don't give you that kind of flexibility.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: sambo
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...


They might do Engls, which i'm sure are well worth looking into. They have some serious gear in Holidays!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 10:03:54 PM
oooooooh your starting to gimme gas now....... just when i thought i had it all figured out
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: sambo
oooooooh your starting to gimme gas now....... just when i thought i had it all figured out


Don't worry about that, it took me ffing years to make my mind up. The way I saw it, you can do it the cheap way and not feel totally satisfied, or save, be patient and try everything you can lay your hands on and most importantly, let your ears make the decision. When I plugged in to a Powertone at the LGS last year I went into a kind of hypnotic GAS trance for around 5 hours!! I made the decision to buy one then and there. Then it just turned into a waiting game as I had to wait for it to be shipped. Then nearly chopped the tip of my middle finger off my left hand the day I bought it lol!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...


thats true but £700 is still a lot of moolah. What kinda tone do Kochs have anyway? Modern or vintagey kinda vibe?


The do it all Tom Lovely cleans vintage and modern, mild overdrive crunch, scooped thrash, Zakk lead tones, you could plug an 8 string in and be doing Messhugga in a few minutes! I'm still finding new sounds in mine after 8 months. I've been on mine all day and there are so many sounds you can find. Cheaper amps just don't give you that kind of flexibility.


That actually sounds AWESOME. Maybe too good to be true though? I want to play one now. Does yours do ACDC or GNR/Slash style crunch well, aswell as metal?!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 25, 2006, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: sambo
thing is tom... have you ever tried a koch? nope.... so you cant really comment on whether you can get better stuff for the money or not can you?

EDIT: cool a trip to leyton may have to be arranged lol- do they do engl's?

machinehead were just utter idiots basically... i cant believe a guy whose job was a guitar tech, got a pup wiring wrong and didnt realise- or if he did realise he didnt tell me?! the price in the first place was ridiculous £40!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told my parents to ask for a refund as soon as my dad came back from the shop and told me how much they charged... i was outraged.... bloody fools...


thats true but £700 is still a lot of moolah. What kinda tone do Kochs have anyway? Modern or vintagey kinda vibe?


The do it all Tom Lovely cleans vintage and modern, mild overdrive crunch, scooped thrash, Zakk lead tones, you could plug an 8 string in and be doing Messhugga in a few minutes! I'm still finding new sounds in mine after 8 months. I've been on mine all day and there are so many sounds you can find. Cheaper amps just don't give you that kind of flexibility.


That actually sounds AWESOME. Maybe too good to be true though? I want to play one now. Does yours do ACDC or GNR/Slash style crunch well, aswell as metal?!


Lol Yes in a word! I like playing along to those bands at home and you can get those tones easily, with the right Bkp's obviously a lot easier. It's got 3 channels 1 is clean 2 is more vintage but gets seriously dirty past 6 and the 3rd channel has an extra pre-amp valve and it's got even more gain and it just gets mental! Plus i use it with an attenuator like the hotplate you want and its got full/half power on the power amp, plus accutronics reverb. The cab has Jenson speakers too!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 10:24:03 PM
so which model have you got johhny?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 10:32:08 PM
Haha these Koch's sound too good to be true! I've been reading HC reviews and they all get awesome reviews. Where are the UK shops that sell em, other than Holiday Music? Really wanna go give a Multitone or Classictone a play!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 10:33:48 PM
haha machinehead about 15 mins walk from me are like one of the only stockists in the UK i think.... COME ON YOU SOUTHERNERS!!!!

sorry.. just had to put that in there
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 25, 2006, 10:34:45 PM
hahahah Machinehead sounds cr@p though  :(
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 10:35:35 PM
yer 'tis  :cry:
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 25, 2006, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
They don't really do cleans that well at all.  


+1

I wouldn't say they're purely metal, though- metal and hard rock, maybe.

you really have to try the amps, sambo.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 11:36:08 PM
yup, gonna try em as soon as i can....

just trying to get an idea of whats decent in the price bracket so i know what to try
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 25, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
^laney tt50 combo would be worth a look too- it's about £670 new, you'd assume second hand it'd be in your price range
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 25, 2006, 11:38:26 PM
ok cool.... know any stockists near me anyone?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 25, 2006, 11:41:47 PM
^wembley guitar centre had the tt head, last time i was there. It's in north london, so probably isn't a million miles away...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Searcher on March 26, 2006, 02:50:47 AM
Hey Sam, if you like Vox clean sounds (I do too), you might like a Fender amp.  You'll need a good distortion pedal with most Fender amps, though, if you wanna do anything with more gain than blues.

Here are some eBay links you might be interested in:

Trace Elliot Amp (http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Trace_Elliot/TVT9_Studio_II_80_30-1.html)

Orange Amp (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORANGE-ROCKER-30C-CLASS-A-VALVE-COMBO-NEW_W0QQitemZ7401466490QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Hughes and Kettner Amp (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hughes-and-Kettner-Edition-Tube-20th-Anniversairy-Valve_W0QQitemZ7401657767QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Another Trace Amp (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRACE-ELLIOT-SUPERTRAMP-100W-TUBE-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ7401441365QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Marshall JCM 900 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MARSHALL-JCM-900-ALL-VALVE-electric-guitar-amp_W0QQitemZ7400141361QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Fender Blues Deluxe (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Blues-Deluxe-reissue-tweed-tube-guitar-amp-New_W0QQitemZ7401479381QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)


Whatever you do, get some new tubes.  You'll be surprised how much decent tubes can breathe life into a cr@ppy amp, quite often.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: BigBazz on March 26, 2006, 06:54:26 AM
Hmm, 5150?? no tone?

Sorry, ive played many amps, many boutique amps, and a 5150 has one of the best overdrives ive had the pleasure of hearing.

and if you want to play metal.. it sounds a damn lot more tonefull than a Mesa dual rect.. Engl' powerballs sound like them in the high gain teritory, though i find them a little darker.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
Quote from: BigBazz
Hmm, 5150?? no tone?

Sorry, ive played many amps, many boutique amps, and a 5150 has one of the best overdrives ive had the pleasure of hearing.

and if you want to play metal.. it sounds a damn lot more tonefull than a Mesa dual rect.. Engl' powerballs sound like them in the high gain teritory, though i find them a little darker.


We were discussing the cleans as not being that good not the overdrive. I'm sure 5150 overdrive is fantastic.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: sambo
so which model have you got johhny?


I've got the Powertone II.

I'd get down to machinehead and just try some amps out with your guitar, so you get a good idea of what your pups are going to sound like.
If MH are only 15 minutes from you I'd just put all the other stuff behind you.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:33:58 AM
Quote from: _tom_
hahahah Machinehead sounds cr@p though  :(


 :? I wouldn't say they were cr@p Tom, they have been around a long time. One bad experience doesn't make a dealer cr@p, they get some great gear there and do some good deals on certain brands too.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: sambo
haha machinehead about 15 mins walk from me are like one of the only stockists in the UK i think.... COME ON YOU SOUTHERNERS!!!!

sorry.. just had to put that in there


Two uk stockists as far as i know Sambo. MH and Holiday.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 26, 2006, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
hahahah Machinehead sounds cr@p though  :(


 :? I wouldn't say they were cr@p Tom, they have been around a long time. One bad experience doesn't make a dealer cr@p, they get some great gear there and do some good deals on certain brands too.


Haha yeah I know, but the way sambos making them out to be, hes giving them a bad name  :lol: The studiotone there isnt too badly priced though, gotta play me one sometime  :)
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: _tom_
Haha these Koch's sound too good to be true! I've been reading HC reviews and they all get awesome reviews. Where are the UK shops that sell em, other than Holiday Music? Really wanna go give a Multitone or Classictone a play!


The sound of their amps will do those HC reveiws justice Tom. Are you going to the LGS? Well Koch are going to have a display there. Anyone who goes to the LGS try them out for yourselves! You'll love em!! :D It's only just over a month now I think. Blimey that came around quick!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: _tom_
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
hahahah Machinehead sounds cr@p though  :(


 :? I wouldn't say they were cr@p Tom, they have been around a long time. One bad experience doesn't make a dealer cr@p, they get some great gear there and do some good deals on certain brands too.


Haha yeah I know, but the way sambos making them out to be, hes giving them a bad name  :lol: The studiotone there isnt too badly priced though, gotta play me one sometime  :)


You have to be careful what you say about other folks business's in forums! That's why I stuck up for them cos I used them all the time when they had a branch in Harlow and found them to be a great dealer, apart from one little thingy!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 12:25:30 PM
sorry i wasnt trying to just slag them off for no reason...

ive always had my doubts abuot em and the pup incident was confirmation. i dunno what the harlow branch was like... but the hitchin branch, where the manager works, is terrible. they have great gear, and SOME of that gear is at great prices- other gear is dreadfully overcharged. so i actually recommend them for some things... you can get good deals... but the service is what lets them down... sure, a couple of the staff are cool, and if your willing to throw your money at the owner hes a pleasant chap... but hes got this underlying nasty streak... its unexplainable but hes a real bar-steward sometimes... a lot of my mates haev complained about him too.

maybe its just something against me, or young people in general, i dunno.... the owner and all the other staff could be the nicest guys in the world to everyone else but they're not to me....

just my experience, im probably being quite harsh because im young and naieve and because im still really pissed off. id just use common sense and shop around because some of their prices are uneven- like i said- some great prices some not so good. id take my opinion with a pinch of salt really lol.


anyway, i think indy said that the 5150 had no tone in general lol  :P

thanks for the links searcher, i think i did a thread or some post about this somewhere else- getting an amp with really nice clean tones and then getting an overdrive/distortion pedal to bring that great tone out in distortion..... dunno what the end result would be like tho...?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 12:37:06 PM
http://www.machinehead.co.uk/used_amps.php

Have a look here Sambo. They have a used Musicman for £300. There nice man! Go down there and try them. There's a mesa too...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 12:45:20 PM
yer i noticed that musicman!!! just by the brand thought it was cheap even though ive never heard anything of their amps..

they're good you say?!

thats another one to add to the list then...? does it kinda match my requirements?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: sambo
yer i noticed that musicman!!! just by the brand thought it was cheap even though ive never heard anything of their amps..

they're good you say?!

thats another one to add to the list then...? does it kinda match my requirements?


Musicmans cheap??? Lol! There hand made in California and quite rare. They used to make guitars too and got taken over by Ernie Ball. They do sound nice for the cleans. In your price range you may have to boost the distortion sounds with a pedal of some kind. £300 is a good price.

Your best bet is to start trying stuff out for yourself as opposed to hearsay.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 01:19:27 PM
^woops poor wording on my part...

i didnt think musicman's were cheap- i mean that i thought £300 was cheap for a musicman... lol

ill try and give it a test some time this week
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 02:35:08 PM
Just found this on HC. They sound good.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Music_Man/RP_65_112-1.html
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: HTH AMPS on March 26, 2006, 04:13:55 PM
clean tones? - screw that, get something with the overdriven tone you REALLY like then think about clean later.  

I use clean maybe 1% of the time so I'm not losing any sleep over a clean tone - I just roll my guitar volume back (I prefer that dirty clean tone like Slayer get on recent albums for atmospheric sections)

I suggested a 5150 combo for Sambo since it covers alot of rock/metal tones.  The clean (aka rhythm) channel is more like a 'vintage rock' channel really, you can get all your Zep, AC/DC, Stones type of tones in there.  As for sparkling Fender cleans, it won't do 'em - I leave that shite for Jazzers  :wink:  :lol:

 :twisted:
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
^ haha!

hmmmm its gonna be a tough choice.... ive heard about 5150's and associated em with awesome distortion.... need to decide how important the cleans really are to me.....

need to try some A.S.A.P
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 26, 2006, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Haha these Koch's sound too good to be true! I've been reading HC reviews and they all get awesome reviews. Where are the UK shops that sell em, other than Holiday Music? Really wanna go give a Multitone or Classictone a play!


The sound of their amps will do those HC reveiws justice Tom. Are you going to the LGS? Well Koch are going to have a display there. Anyone who goes to the LGS try them out for yourselves! You'll love em!! :D It's only just over a month now I think. Blimey that came around quick!


+1 on kochs being good. I was very impressed with the multitone when i tried it at holiday music (ironically when i was on holiday). Just didn't get into metal territory enough for me, and as i was only able to go that one day, of course they had sold out of the powertones, so i couldn't try that, grrr
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: dave_mc
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Haha these Koch's sound too good to be true! I've been reading HC reviews and they all get awesome reviews. Where are the UK shops that sell em, other than Holiday Music? Really wanna go give a Multitone or Classictone a play!


The sound of their amps will do those HC reveiws justice Tom. Are you going to the LGS? Well Koch are going to have a display there. Anyone who goes to the LGS try them out for yourselves! You'll love em!! :D It's only just over a month now I think. Blimey that came around quick!


+1 on kochs being good. I was very impressed with the multitone when i tried it at holiday music (ironically when i was on holiday). Just didn't get into metal territory enough for me, and as i was only able to go that one day, of course they had sold out of the powertones, so i couldn't try that, grrr


There probably more a general rock amp. If you like good metal amps try out the powertone II. They do all the tones really, anything you want. Are you going to the London Guitar Show? That's the place to have an amp shootout!! :P
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 10:37:13 PM
does the LGS cost to get in? ive never been before but may have to this year... can you just go and try whatever you want?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 26, 2006, 10:38:05 PM
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?


c--k  :lol:  cool eh!!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 10:51:44 PM
^^ does it cost to get in to LGS? and can you just try anything that you want?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: indysmith on March 26, 2006, 10:56:57 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?


c--k  :lol:  cool eh!!

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!
"Pure Power, pure Tone, Pure Koch" quote from koch site. i was justified in my laffter after all
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: sambo
does the LGS cost to get in? ive never been before but may have to this year... can you just go and try whatever you want?


Yeah its around £18 which is a bit unfair for younger players. You can go on anything you want except Marshall just have a whole load of amps with spotlights on them purely for aesthetics!! But the dealers let you play the Marshalls. It's heaven Sambo!! The stuff thats on display is all the top stuff. Plus you get some good players demoing gear and there's a few gigs. I saw Phil Hilbourne with Geoff Whitehorn (Mr Crawlers) with Bruce Dickinson and Nico McBrain from Iron Maiden. Ph uses Bare Knuckles too! BKP will be there too so you can say hi and have a go on the different pups. Plus Feline, you have to see his stuff it's seductive!
Go there man you will love it!!
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: indysmith on March 26, 2006, 10:58:25 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac


Yeah its around £18 which is a bit unfair for younger players.

!!!WTF? it was a tenner last year. twas the best tenner ever spent aswellnes
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 10:59:36 PM
sounds awesome!... can you jsut turn up or do you need tickets in advance?
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 10:59:56 PM
Quote from: indysmith
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: _tom_
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?


c--k  :lol:  cool eh!!

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!
"Pure Power, pure Tone, Pure Koch" quote from koch site. i was justified in my laffter after all


I know it's a funny name. Good for jokes like 'Coming down the pub Johnny?' 'Nah mate, I'm going to stay in and play with me Koch!'
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: indysmith
Quote from: Johnny Mac


Yeah its around £18 which is a bit unfair for younger players.

!!!WTF? it was a tenner last year. twas the best tenner ever spent aswellnes


Was it? Perhaps you looked like a minor lol! I'm sure i only got a couple of nuggets back from a score.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: Johnny Mac on March 26, 2006, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: sambo
sounds awesome!... can you jsut turn up or do you need tickets in advance?


I just turned up.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: indysmith on March 26, 2006, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
Quote from: indysmith
Quote from: Johnny Mac


Yeah its around £18 which is a bit unfair for younger players.

!!!WTF? it was a tenner last year. twas the best tenner ever spent aswellnes


Was it? Perhaps you looked like a minor lol! I'm sure i only got a couple of nuggets back from a score.

I AM a minor, punk :P
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
haha couple of nuggets back from a score...ahhhhhhh.. i can die happy
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 26, 2006, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: Johnny Mac
There probably more a general rock amp. If you like good metal amps try out the powertone II. They do all the tones really, anything you want. Are you going to the London Guitar Show? That's the place to have an amp shootout!! :P


nah, i'm in northern ireland unfortunately. I only got to try that koch because i was in london on holiday last year.

If I was on the mainland at all, I'd be at the London guitar show so fast it wouldn't even be funny...
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: 38thBeatle on March 26, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
I am hoping to go to LGS this year though I am due to go to Prague at around that time- Hopefully Mrs 38th will let me know when she has arranged things ( are you reading this dear?- I know you like to check up on me now and then)
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 26, 2006, 11:05:05 PM
^  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :D
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 26, 2006, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: _tom_
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?


I assume it rhymes with the Scottish "loch" i.e. a breathy sound to the "ch", you filthy-minded git!

Whatever you do, don't pronounce it the filthy way if you want to try someone else's amp- "hey, can i play with your...." Smack!

 :twisted:
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: _tom_ on March 26, 2006, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: dave_mc
Quote from: _tom_
Just wondering..how is Koch pronounced?! Is it "kock" or "kosh"?


I assume it rhymes with the Scottish "loch" i.e. a breathy sound to the "ch", you filthy-minded git!

Whatever you do, don't pronounce it the filthy way if you want to try someone else's amp- "hey, can i play with your...." Smack!

 :twisted:


hahaha yeah thats what I thought, thats what I meant by the "Kosh" bit  :lol:
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: dave_mc on March 27, 2006, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: _tom_
hahaha yeah thats what I thought, thats what I meant by the "Kosh" bit  :lol:


 :D
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on March 27, 2006, 01:53:18 PM
$%&#ign hails Guys
do you $%&#ing believe that i didn´t played That much with my 5150 head ENOUGH? i don´t know the AMP possibilities and limitations AT ALL.
i know my ex amp, the crate gx80 that i love to talk about, ahahahaha
But, i´ll come up with soundclips as soon as possible.
i´m re organizing my schedule agenda and the band´s agenda too
we didn´t rehearsal for ages
the other guitarrist is doind some PHD stuff, so, he need to concentrate for his PHD stuff.
and the drummer is a lazy faggot , so we decided to only rehearse at home level, with cr@ppy TRANNY brazilian amps just to not forgot the songs.
in the meantime.. i´ll try to come up with someting from the 5150 OK guys?!
But, the cleans are already distorted on the 5150 1, the 5150 2 has cleans that you can use.
and it´s brighter than the 5150 I.
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: sambo on March 27, 2006, 03:55:58 PM
is there any price difference between the 5150 I and 5150 2
Title: 5150 COMBO- not head/cab
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on March 27, 2006, 04:13:14 PM
Yah a little bit, not that much
because of the extra clean channel.