Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: donovan.x on March 26, 2006, 10:08:53 AM
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Hi guys.
For all those all play along to a click. What speed are you getting your 16th note triplets(six notes per click) and your 16th notes (four notes per click) up to?
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i could find out if i knw how to get the metronome feature to work on my ps-04... you are talking abuot a metronome yer?
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Yeah.
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40bpm lat time I actually bothered to look PDT_008
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Never actually counted it. I'm not as super fast as I used to be. But I started practicing the old Metallica Kill 'em All songs again. Whiplash isn't a problem. It's the triple pick and stop that's tricky. You know, the takata takata takata thing.
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It's the triple pick and stop that's tricky. You know, the takata takata takata thing.
i call it the power metal gallop 8) lol
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I'm down to four notes per click at 140, if I'm lucky. I used to be a comfortable 160, but I stopped playing for most of 5 years. :( It's not very fast either way, I know. I was never super fast.
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i could find out if i knw how to get the metronome feature to work on my ps-04... you are talking abuot a metronome yer?
The Online Metronome (http://www.metronomeonline.com)
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4 notes per click at 140 isn't really shabby is it!!!! Good going.
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well just picking my mouse mat i think i got it to four picks per thingy on the highest setting of that metronome thing....
i think...
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well just picking my mouse mat i think i got it to four picks per thingy on the highest setting of that metronome thing....
i think...
what the hell?
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are yu basically just asking how fast we can make our wrists vibrate? who the hell gives a damn? lol
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^ what tom?
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No , How fast can you pick? What is your picking speed? Without using hammer ons or pull offs. I was just wondering.
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well im pretty sure my four notes per click were at 208 on my mouse mat.....
on guitar that could slip a bit.... between 150-200 anyway
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^ what tom?
Picking on your mousemat? What?! Doesnt make any sense.
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like making the picking action but on my desk not on a guitar.... duhhh...
makes perfect sense
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picking on a mouse mat and picking on a guitar, in time, are completely different things.
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not THAT different.... but i did say earlier that it would probably knock a lotta time off (picking on the guitar that is) so it'd probably be closer to 150 on a guitar
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Sambo, that is some fast picking mate...thats Vai ground...many congrats.
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You gotta fret the notes aswell though sam, so using the mousemat is the most pointless thing ever :lol:
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Perhaps Sambo has a "special"guitar!!!
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Hey sam, that means you're picking at something approaching 15 notes a second (unless my maths is incorrect)...erm, I don't mean to rain on your parade but it's a lot different with an actual guitar :wink:
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I've never practised scales in 17 years playing. But as I'm taking lessons for the first time in my long live, I've started with 70 four noted a tick 4 weeks ago and I am at a clean and controlled 100 now, which actually has improved my whole playing, since I've been quite inaccurate before.
Practising chromatic scales sucks, but it helps you with everything believe me.
My guitar teacher (who studied at GIT London) makes 200 by the way. How depressing is that :?
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ok... need to clear some things up - teehee :lol: - first of all... i wasnt playing any scales like hunter- just picking one note/fret as fast as i could....
secondly.... on my mouse mat i WAS at 208.... and thats that... but i dunno how much it would decrease by on a guitar..... a fair bit i spose..
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oh you mean just the right hand ... have to figure that out, will give it a try when I have time. Quite confident I can go 200 with the right one though ... what slows me down is the left one and proper string skipping.
On the other hand I give a shitee on speed ... hmmm ... at least that's what I'll say as long as I'm not really fast :D
But honestly, saw Stevie Morse recently with Deep Purple - and although his technique is hyper impressive and his sound just blew me away, I was really missing that blues feel of Blackmore's original studio recordings. Not that Morsieboy couldn't do that, but he just didn't show enough of that on the concert. So in the end, what's the speed all about despite impressing some chicks?
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ok... need to clear some things up - teehee :lol: - first of all... i wasnt playing any scales like hunter- just picking one note/fret as fast as i could....
secondly.... on my mouse mat i WAS at 208.... and thats that... but i dunno how much it would decrease by on a guitar..... a fair bit i spose..
If you can play scales on your mouse mat I'd love to hear it. :P Hey, I can scratch myself faster than I can pick.
Wait, that doesn't sound good either . . .
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^ lol exactly...
yer my left hand speed sucks.....
so are you saying your confident of 200 bpm with four notes per beat or just one note per beat?
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think playing the _same note 4 times a beat I could do 200, no left hand action no string skipping ...
But need to confirm that ...
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^yer see!!! ITS DOABLE!!!!! you filthy non-believers... (ok now you have to prove me right hunter or im dead.... if yuo cant do it just lie and say you can....)
LOL searcher i didnt realise that.... scales on my mousemat.... theres a possible kick-arse signature in there somewhere but cant find it....
and yes... the scratch thing was dodgy...
and my "lol yer exactly" was not to your post but to hunters above it lol
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Sure it's doable. I can max out the online metronome at four mouse-mat scratches per beat, but I only wish I could pick that fast, even on one repeated note. I possibly don't pick as effectively as I could be, but the mouse-pad test just isn't a realistic gauge of picking speed. Well, it's not for me.
EDIT: Maybe I need to fix how I pick. Everyone else seems to be held back by the speed of their left hands, but my left hand can hit far more notes per second than my right can. That's why I almost always do hammers and pulls for my fastest runs. Hmm.
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nah your right searcher... its not reliable at all....
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I was never saying it was not do able, i know it is very do able. All i was saying is showing what you can do on a mouse mat is nowhere near what you can do on a guitar.
EDIT: Sorry late post.
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Searcher ^, this is why I asked, My left hand can whip through stuff most of the time but I have found that my picking action is really holding me back, so to make up for it I am using to many hammers and pulls to get better speed. I have been messing around trying to sort this out and have started to tilt my pick, so as you are looking down at it the left hand side is tilted down slightly. This has helped no end ,I have also tried to limit how much my thumb and index finger are moving to help the pick and am trying to get more movement from the wrist. Another great help has been sweep picking and although I am not as fast as I want to be, I am getting there day by day.
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helpful stuff
Thanks, man! I've tried those things myself. In fact, I was holding my pick wrong for years! It was so hard to break the habit. Possibly part of my problem is that my hands are small. So I find it hard to anchor anywhere and still be able to reach the strings properly. I have to shift my hand around a bit in order to get to the strings. That or tilt the pick the wrong way, which kills my accuracy.
As for slanting the pick down, I do that when I want extra speed, but I don't like the tone I get as much, so I'm trying to get faster without doing that, if I can.
I'm not positive that my picking hand is moving in the most efficient way, either. Perhaps I need to find some local speed picker who can look at how I'm doing it and comment. Or maybe I just need more practice and more sleep. ;)
I saw a clip from a Paul Gilbert clinic where he describes his picking action as 'scratching the dog' and I've seriously tried to model my picking on that. The only thing is that I tend to tense up when I do that and I don't think I sould be generating my speed through my arm vibrating from tension. Gah! Ah well. It'll come eventually, I guess.
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EDIT: Maybe I need to fix how I pick. Everyone else seems to be held back by the speed of their left hands, but my left hand can hit far more notes per second than my right can. That's why I almost always do hammers and pulls for my fastest runs. Hmm.
Same here actually - and i also have problems with fretting fast and picking fast at the same time, lol - sounds stupid huh?
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Searcher ^. I have always anchored my little finger and my ring finger but I have found for speed picking it doesn't work. I have also been looking at Paul Gilberts style and he and a lot of other players dont do it when they are shredding. My speed, for me has been drasticly improved in about three days by combining these techniques, its just getting used to it. I have tried going back to the old way now and its like...What????
Good luck and I will see you at about 200bpm lol lol 8)
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At the moment I'm struggling to break 170 with 16th notes (with no left hand involved). I can go much faster for a few seconds, but I just can't keep it up.
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Funny exercise, but for some speed vs. some anchoring, I have been practicing "Sweet Child of Mine" with my hand "floating". It's a crazy riff with alot of string skipping and I find it good exercise.
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Oh, I hate the floating approach! I tense up way too much whenever I try it that way.
donovanx, maybe you need to start your own website with this--
"Learn my SECRET technique for increasing speed in just three days!!!!!"
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Ya know, what I am doing sometimes, is to pick one note as fast as possible and then try to transfer that motion to picking multiple notes. I found that when I pick slowly I move my right hand fingers more than I do when I know in advance I am going to pick as fast as possible. That seems to have helped a little bit.
What we need is a thread where everyone posts a webcam clip of how they pick so we can learn from each other!
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Oh, I hate the floating approach! I tense up way too much whenever I try it that way.
Yeah I do that aswell. I always rest my little finger on the body whilst picking single note stuff otherwise it just feels wrong.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hahahahahaaa!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I can't put anything on the body of the guitar, just floating, although not floating, because my under thumb part is muting the bass strings, and when I play the bass strings my fist of the other fingers is kind of lightly resting on the g b e. I can pick fast, but if you can't, it's normally the sync is messed up, you need to work on that, normally, you're left hand will be quicker than you can pick, but if you tremolo pick, it should be faster than your left hand legato. the speed barrier is crossing the strings with ace control, keeping tiny pick movents, and holding the pick solid.
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Following on from that, sweep picking is good to get to grips with as it really seems to assist communication between your hands.
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I most DEFINATELY advocate anchoring in one form or another.
But I have tried this song (Sweet Child...) every way, on every guitar I have and can only get timing 100% correct by floating.
Now I anchor (sloppy palm rest on hardtails, pinky anchor on trems) on everything else thus far. But for this one, dunno, weird.
My teacher was actually not worried/impressed as he pointed out it a.dos'nt matter as long as it is played correctly and b. he reckons it showed right hand dexterity.
I am not convinced either way but it's all I can do with this song.
Now, strange to me, it seem's after playing it this way for awhile it has become "memory" with the whole movement (fingers/wrist/hand) and is NO problem at all.
I was that confused I got my teacher to measure his wrist/fingers against mine (thinking it may be uncomfortable for me hence my playing) but a length difference was not enough to actually say one way or another.
Bit of a connundrum actually.
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i cant anchor at all.... feels really weird to me ..
and i hate trying to palm mute/anchor on trems.... sucks.... especially with small teenager hands like mine :lol:
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and i hate trying to palm mute/anchor on trems.... sucks.... especially with small teenager hands like mine :lol:
You can't have smaller hands than me. I had pre-teen students with bigger fingers. It was depressing. So when I anchor with my pinky on the guitar I can't reach the low E string without tilting the tip of the pick up towards it and stretching my fingers out. So I have to move my hand up and anchor on the strings themselves or rest my hand on the bridge.
I just measured my left hand and I have just under 7 inches from the heel of my palm to the tip of my longest finger. If I stretch my fingers out as wide as they go I get less than 5½ inches from the tip of my first finger to the tip of my little finger, measuring from the centre of each tip. And the palm is only about 3 inches across at the knuckles.
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Darn Searcher
just measured mine (never done it, may be interesting if more reply).
Palm to tip is 8.2 inches
Stretch first to pinky is 7.5 inches
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^ mine are tiny compared to that! lol both nicks and searchers.... cant measure them but guesstimation = bout 5/6 from tip of middle finger to heel of palm.... :lol:
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I am very very lucky to have a bloody big span - I'm 15 and have a thumb to ring finger span of 25-and-a-half centimetres, and can play a twelfth on the piano (octave+4).
As for picking, you just have to be patient, and if you stick to your metronome, you'll see results real quick. I started a Paul Gilbert exercise:
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and after a week and a half of metronome, could cleanly do it at 140 BPM, 6 notes a click (sextuplets). You just have to keep at it, and try to vent your frustration (if any) into excitement about how good you'll be if you persist.
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Doing a John Petrucci exercise I could work consistently to 208BPM SQs because my metronome wouldn't go any faster :( .
SDQs I got to around 145BPM. After that my right hand lost all of its control and would fall off of the track.
I have recently modified the exercise so it goes 1324 instead of 1234 and I can get up to about 160BPM.
after that my left hand gets confused because of doing the other exercise for so long.
On a septuplet exercise I created I can get up to about 170BPM
A Petrucci exercise on sweeping yielded a slightly slower speed than the chromatic exercise.
And on the hand debate I can fret a Diminished 21st from a low F# diagonally across the fretboard. That's:
[--8- ]
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[--2- ]
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^ Holy cr@p. You darn freak!
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Yeah but that stretch is more like:
[-8-]
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[-6-]
[-4-]
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[-2-]
PDT_045 MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Oh and Muzzzzzz, I'm about the same age as you and my hands aren't all that big (23cm Thumb-Pinky) it's just a case of stretching every time you practice.
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my left hand speed sucks for lead/shred. i can barely do it.
my right hand is VERY fast, and my left hand can keep up for riffs, but not shred. i use my speed for fast riffs, like thrash classics such as Creeping Death, Master of Puppets, Raining Blood etc. and my hands play in perfect synchronization, but when it comes to soloing, i just physically can't do it. in fact, i gave up the other day, and decided i was going to be an uber rhythm guitarist. it's just what i'm wayyy best at.
BM
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Yeah, I'm kinda the same- my right hand can pick very, very fast, but my left hand often has trouble keeping up.
Still, it means I can play black metal pretty easily. Tremolo picking ftw! :D
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I just clocked myself playing 16ths @ 250bpm quite comfortably (first tempo I picked). I was faster (up to 280) when I had access to a quick and simple click (weird metronome, its great) but my new audio hardware jinxed that so I havent been practicing to a click as regularly. I used cubases click to clock that.
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:o :o
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I just clocked myself playing 16ths @ 250bpm quite comfortably (first tempo I picked). I was faster (up to 280) when I had access to a quick and simple click (weird metronome, its great) but my new audio hardware jinxed that so I havent been practicing to a click as regularly. I used cubases click to clock that.
that's unearthly. do your hand glow when you play? it's a sign of godliness, you know.
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he he, cheers guys :drink:
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that is pretty damn impressive, MDV!!
just remember not to become MAB/Yngwie type where the speed overkills the melody :P
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I just managed to pick the following in 16ths at 250bpm and in 6/4 time ^_^
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Bloody difficult though. I could only keep it up for about 10 seconds before I gave up. :D
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I just managed to pick the following in 16ths at 250bpm and in 6/4 time ^_^
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Bloody difficult though. I could only keep it up for about 10 seconds before I gave up. :D
well done! i can only do it for 5-8 seconds, sloppily. the sloppiness made me give up :D
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To be honest, I think I need to work out before I can get any faster... Darn bloody weak teenager arms and wrists! :evil:
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Are you OK?
I have very rarely heard of a teenager with weak wrists from lack of exercise :wink:
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To be honest, I think I need to work out before I can get any faster... Darn bloody weak teenager arms and wrists! :evil:
heh, i suffer from the same. but probably even weaker arms. i'm the same age as you too :)
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I just managed to pick the following in 16ths at 250bpm and in 6/4 time ^_^
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Bloody difficult though. I could only keep it up for about 10 seconds before I gave up. :D
Nailed it till I got bored :wink:
Try 250, 4/4
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And so on, I'm sure you see the pattern (nice familiar aeolian) I play it up to 12th then let loose a bit.
Little arrow to show that it carries on. Its a good exercise to keep time because you can clearly hear whether your notes are falling correctly as its rhythmically obvious stuff and all the pedalled Gs (or Es in my case) make easier on the left hand than more complex playing. Its easier after that to go into something with less straightforward phrasings because you have the tempo well hammered in.
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Resurecting a dead post for sh*ts and giggles really :-P
Atm i can do 32nd notes at 144bpm, i can do it at 152bpm but i i snagged on some notes.
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Stupid fast trash metal player :lol: