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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: bubchronic on March 27, 2006, 11:35:19 PM
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Hi,
I'm shopping for new floor effects. Anybody have any owner opinions of plus and minuses?
I am planning to test as many as possible this weekend.
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
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generally single effects units are better, but they can be a pain (buffered inputs, true-bypass problems etc) to set up. I've heard of people using the Boss GT8 for amps that don't have effects loops.
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
well, with all respect not all people have the money to get those boutique units. I bought a Korg AX1500G a few years back and it cost roughly the price of the Teese wah I'm currently looking at buying.
Anyway, this isn't the time for a debate on the pro's/cons of multi fx versus boutique, we all know the things multi fx are good for. The Korg - which I believe has since been upgraded with a newer model, I believe - was OK. It covered a lot of ground. It was definitely quite easy to be creative with and had lots of space to store your patches in, and the interface was easy to work with. I really wasn't too keen on the distortions, though. Also, I would be wary of giving an opinion on the tone of it simply because my rig has changed so much since then - different amp, different guitar, different FX - hell I even write different music nowadays! So whilst at the time the Korg was fine for my needs I can't really give a good comparison of it compared to my current set up, so much has changed!
Anyway, I think Bill Frisell used the GT8 for a while, and he has great tone...
Hope that can be of some help, though.
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The Digitech 300R Artist is a nice unti. Lots of very usebae (and some gorgeous) tones and you can adjust them all. I recoment u check it out 8)
Quite easy on the wallet aswell...
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If you're after effects, go for the GT-8. If you want amp modelling, the Vox ToneLab SE is the best out there. For a good compromise between the two worlds, the POD Live probably isn't bad.
I dislike the Digitech stuff. I've owned Digitech multi-effects and trialed a GNX pedal, which I returned. The sound is more "digital" and processed than any of the others I've used. And I have used pretty much every amp modeller and the like that there is, starting way back with the SansAmp stuff.
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I have a GT8 and love it.
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Although I'm not into multifx myself (although I owned a Korg AX30G for a few years mid '90ies) I a/b different types with different players a lot because I work in a guitar store. My two pennies worth are:
+ Boss ME50: If you're after an easy to control unit that doesn't need alot of programming and will cover most ground this one might fit your bill. However if you want to program to the ms this isn't what you're looking for. The OD sounds are not very special but adequate enough for most players. I've not tested tge GT8 that much so I don't have an opinion on it.
+ VOX Tonelab SE: as already mentioned IMO the best amp sim / OD sounds out there. The rest of the fx is adequate at least and quite good in average. However it's a very big unit and not cheap. Best used in front of a nice amp which works better than straight into the board IMO.
+ PodXT Live: quite similar to the VOX although it's better at heavier distorted sounds whereas the VOX unit excels at crunch / slightly overdriven sounds. The mod and delay sections are good although for older style sounds I prefer the VOX. The PodXT however seems to have better speaker sims so it's a good one if you'd like to DI it or use it for silent recording.
I dislike the ZOOM units (2.1, 7.1, 9.1) cause they seem hard to program and don't sound that great, but remember that's just my personal opinion.
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Personally I would vote for a Vox / Korg multi Fx unit rather than the Line 6 or Boss units.
Rob...
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Although I'm not into multifx myself (although I owned a Korg AX30G for a few years mid '90ies) I a/b different types with different players a lot because I work in a guitar store. My two pennies worth are:
+ Boss ME50: If you're after an easy to control unit that doesn't need alot of programming and will cover most ground this one might fit your bill. However if you want to program to the ms this isn't what you're looking for. The OD sounds are not very special but adequate enough for most players. I've not tested tge GT8 that much so I don't have an opinion on it.
+ VOX Tonelab SE: as already mentioned IMO the best amp sim / OD sounds out there. The rest of the fx is adequate at least and quite good in average. However it's a very big unit and not cheap. Best used in front of a nice amp which works better than straight into the board IMO.
+ PodXT Live: quite similar to the VOX although it's better at heavier distorted sounds whereas the VOX unit excels at crunch / slightly overdriven sounds. The mod and delay sections are good although for older style sounds I prefer the VOX. The PodXT however seems to have better speaker sims so it's a good one if you'd like to DI it or use it for silent recording.
I dislike the ZOOM units (2.1, 7.1, 9.1) cause they seem hard to program and don't sound that great, but remember that's just my personal opinion.
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
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What? If you need thousands of weak sounds and shitety fake sounding weak effects go with a multi-fx for £200. Otherwise why not just get what you need and sound good for £200?
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#1 my GT8 is NOT weak by ANY shape or form
#2 try buying several, let alone more than ONE bootique pedal with change for 200 quid.
Horses for courses.
Just cos it's costly and everyone says it's "the best" don't mean cr@p.
Case in point, all keep on about tube amp this and tube amp that. Darrell Abbott for one got ALL his fame and recognition from SS.
If EVERYONE sounded like evryone else it would be pretty DAMN boring. Everyone deserves their own tone/sound, how they come about that, thats the fun part and up to them.
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
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What? If you need thousands of weak sounds and shitety fake sounding weak effects go with a multi-fx for £200. Otherwise why not just get what you need and sound good for £200?
£200 is about the price for 1.5 boutique pedals. A bit more can get you a ME, which to an audience isn't going to make a slighteset bit of difference unless your playing to a crowd of tone freaks which isn't likely! Multi effects serve gigging musicians well as they have the scope for lots of different sounds which equates into different songs by different bands I.E a covers band. My mate in Whole Lotta Led, A Zepp tribute band uses a Rocktron unit midi'd into his Marshall Pre Amp and all the tones are there at one touch. I'm sure Vox's tonelabs didn't sound shitety or weak when i had a go one one.
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I guess if you are a non-drinking age millionaire who can throw money at anything with a designer pricetag it's ok.
But for the "swiss army knife" a multi-effect is a godsend.
Again, what will happen in years to come when someone becomes rich and famous and it turns out they were using a PodXt OMG, the shame! LOL
Oh nope, it will make PodXt's rare and coverted won't it LOL.
Most people who have ever played in a "Pub" setting will tell ya, space aint great so a clear floor is a dream. Multi-effects provide this and the quick (ish) ability to change sound and therefore play what you are getting paid for (wether it be in money or BEER :twisted: ) is a godsend.
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I guess if you are a non-drinking age millionaire who can throw money at anything with a designer pricetag it's ok.
But for the "swiss army knife" a multi-effect is a godsend.
Again, what will happen in years to come when someone becomes rich and famous and it turns out they were using a PodXt OMG, the shame! LOL
Oh nope, it will make PodXt's rare and coverted won't it LOL.
Most people who have ever played in a "Pub" setting will tell ya, space aint great so a clear floor is a dream. Multi-effects provide this and the quick (ish) ability to change sound and therefore play what you are getting paid for (wether it be in money or BEER :twisted: ) is a godsend.
Devin Townsend from SYL uses a Pod, so does the edge!
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TADA!
I stand corrected, famous already uses "cr@p" ROFLMAO, who would have thunked it :)
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multi effects are no good - i'd rather reccommend getting a few choice boo-teek pedals that do the sounds you need.
I think all of us on here are tone snobs to some extent indy - but dude, just try and keep it under wraps from time to time.
My friend has a GT8 and its like a space station, but that's not to say there's no 'good' sounds in there. Through the right amp I'm sure it would sound pretty good, and through a rubbish amp I'm sure 99% of the audience (as Johnny Mac pointed out) still wouldn't notice or care, as they're too busy enjoying the actual notes. You've got to have a usable tone, but as long as you're kicking out the right frequencies it doesn't really matter.
Interesting story - Bruce Dickinson at BIMM is a massive tone freak. Guess what pedal he uses live? A stock DS-1. Apparently he doesn't use anything 'better' not 'cos he can't afford it, but because people's ears are used to hearing the sound of a DS-1, not a Fulltone - to them, a DS-1 probably sounds like the best pedal in the world.
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Thanks for all the help everybody.
I do like the amp sim capabilites of the Pod, and Vox, but it seems the GT-8 has enormous scope for more modern and experimental sounds, aswell as all the classic stompboxes. There is also the user groups who trade patches, which could be fun.
I am currently gigging frequently and I am switching to multi-fx for space, reliability and scope to provide a shiteload of new sounds.
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I don't quite agree that getting some boutique pedals will just give instant great tone. Boutique pedals are (mostly) good quality in parts and build, but often more specialised in their function. This means that some pedals might just not suit your style, instrument or rig, regardless of their quality. Multifx IMO have their use because they can offer a lot of versatility and can be made to sound good through almost any setup, if programmed with care of course.
I must agree however that no multifx or amp modeler can really match a cooking setup in which the guitar, amp and fx are well matched. To me my simple setup of booster (Banzai New Rising Sun II), RM Voodoo Vibe for modulation/tremolo and Budda combo is more responsive than any amp model i've heard. This setup is both versatile and challenging to me 'cause it will make pretty much anything I do sound good but will also display my mistakes or sloppiness in great detail.
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Thanks for all the help everybody.
I do like the amp sim capabilites of the Pod, and Vox, but it seems the GT-8 has enormous scope for more modern and experimental sounds, aswell as all the classic stompboxes. There is also the user groups who trade patches, which could be fun.
I am currently gigging frequently and I am switching to multi-fx for space, reliability and scope to provide a shiteload of new sounds.
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bub
am sure you will be happy with the GT8
It is metal for one (so should be sturdy).
It does have amazing capabilities and some just plain weird sounds.
Bear in mind, to employ the amp sims to their best use you are gonna need "neutral" speakers or summit like a keyboard amp. Otherwise a guitar amp or similar will colour and maybe mush the sound. They can always be turned off anyway and just use the effects.
Also, the "intensity" settings, so you can change amp sim/cab/effects etc. with picking intensity is actually very cool and useful (not just a gimmick).
Think you will be happy.
BTW, am SURE you already know this but you cannot exchange patches like say a Pod. You need to hook up to a PC through Midi to gain user patch settings.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
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Until you have your own soundguy mixing and probably own PA too, reserve the boutique pedals for recording & jamming, or perhaps showcase gigs.
You are at the mercy of so many variables a multi fx unit is probably the most sensible option, for portability, reliability and a disinterested sound guy the venue supplies.
Rob...
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Just to re-iterate a few things...
Modelling: *some* guitarists I've come across, wonder why, for instance, when they've got their modeler set for an AC30 simulation, does it sound like mud whilst plugged into the front of their Marshall stack. Guitarists are the new drummers, it would seem. If you're looking for quasi-realistic modelling then plug the thing into a full-range, flat-response system like a Mackie SRM or JBL EON. Can't stand on stage without a stack behind you, Nige? Get a cardboard cutout.
If it's fx you're after, clearly the GT-8 is miles in front in terms of choice and flexibility, from the obvious and everyday to the downright weird and unusual. It's also worth noting that the GT-8 (uniquely) is completely fx chain-order programmable... and that includes an external loop. For example, with a regular guitar amp that includes its own fx loop:
Guitar
GT-8: input
GT-8: whatever fx
GT-8: Loop send
Amp: input
Amp: preamp
Amp: fx send
GT-8: loop return
GT-8: whatever fx
GT-8 out
Amp: fx return
Amp: poweramp
Speaker
You might also include the GT-8 amp sims somewhere (wherever) in that guitar->speaker sequence... or the external amp channel switching capabilities of the GT-8
The aforementioned is known as the 4-cable method and it allows you to place your choice and sequence of fx both before and after your amp's preamp. Certain fx *tend* to sound best in particular pre/post preamp slots.
Anyway, check here for a reasonably objective comparison of the major multi-fx/modelers.
http://www.thestompbox.net/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=21
Excerpt re GT-8 fx
Effects: 44 “categories” (over 70 effects)
Simultaneous FX: 13
FX Chain Manipulation: Yes – unparalleled flexibility.
Rating: Excellent
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For what its worth Adrian Clark (guitarist magazine) reckons the GNX3000 (new technology) is the best sounding multi effects modeling unit.
Bowks wrote:
Better than the Vox?! It must be good then!! I remember you saying that you wouldn't let the unit you reviewed leave the house and bought it for yourself.
Adrian Clark wrote
Yeah, if I wasn't so skint I'd be buying one right now. I did a comparison with the Tonelab when I still had the GNX for review, and while it's never fair to compare modelling units on the "accuracy" of their sounds (they're all different) the GNX had an immediacy and tone that seemed closer to an amp than I'd ever heard previously. In fact, it reminded me of when I first heard the Tonelab, comparing it to the Pod etc. Digitech have taken things to a new level.
(I should bill them for all this PR )
Adrian
Taking from the Guitarist magazine forum, a thread about multi effects units and modellers.
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Agreed, the 3k probably is the best modeler... but the OP is talking fx.
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I have a GT8 and love it.
Seconded.
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vox tonelabs are supposed to be very similar/almost on a par with the GT-8's.... anyone ever cmpared the two?
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When I bought my GT8 I tried the tonelab.
Although construction and sound was great it did'nt have the "tweakability" or the options that the GT8 had, although simplicity may be a good thing depending on what looking for.
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so stock soundwise.... which had the edge?
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Sam,
my opinion is the amp modelling is pretty useless unless you use headphones,powered speakers or a neutral amp like a keyboard amp. That being said the GT8 is still way more tweakable but the Tonelab may have a sound edge.
With effects, I say Boss hands down.
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hmmmm
yer what you were saying about modelling useless unless blah blah blah.. check this out
http://www.bossgtcentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4982
the kx1200 keyboard amp they talk about is only like £166... and seeing as im on an amp hunt... i was thinking:
tonelab or GT-8
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kx1200
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awesome
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Sam,
you certainly could go that route (bear in mind if you play live venues you could run the effects straight through the PA).
Seeing as you are 15yo and have the patience/interest of said age I think this may be a great idea.
I can tell the enthusiasm you have for your Zoom and the GT8 makes that look like a Christmas Cracker prize.
The effects and amp/cab/mic'ing possibilities of the GT8 are HUGE and would certainly entertain you for a long long time.
Also, if later you start playing more gigs and decide on an Amp you are only out the keyboard amp (if thats how you went) as the GT8 is still a great effects unit.
I had'nt thought about it, but in your situation and knowing you a little, I think you would love that combo and get ALOT of pleasure from all you could do with it. And let's face it, this whole thing (music) is about having FUN! or should be.
Nick
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Sam
this is just hearsay/somthing I read but, I read Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters) only has amps on stage for show and actually goes through an amp modellor into the PA system.
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yer i really am starting to see the advantages of this way now. like you said lol it would be like some kind of christmas present... id sit there all day figuring out EVERYTHING there is to know bout the GT-8... i always do that, i love to find out how to do things- reading manuals lol how boring.
and like you said, the keyboard amp is all i would lose....
plus, standalone amps (valve ones- which is what i would get) are a new thing to me... and although im eager to jump on the bandwagon that may not be the right thing for me... especially as im still discovering what exactly im into playing....
i think im most likely gonna go down this route now... i could have the gt-8 and/or the keybord amp by the end of the easter hols!!!!
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plus, standalone amps (valve ones- which is what i would get) are a new thing to me... and although im eager to jump on the bandwagon that may not be the right thing for me... especially as im still discovering what exactly im into playing....
i think im most likely gonna go down this route now... i could have the gt-8 and/or the keybord amp by the end of the easter hols!!!!
Another experimentation route would be this http://www.behringer.com/IAXE393/index.cfm?lang=ENG which they allege will be £93 inc vat
Nope I'm not taking the p1ss by the way, as I suffer from new toy syndrome (though much effort is saved by not having money to spend on them).
Though their delivery dates where pretty off the mark when they released their current pedal range.
Rob...
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Sam
why not do this (and I wish I had had these opportunities/choices at your age myself).
Download the GT8 manual from the web
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=692&iStcd=4
and then this user guide
(Boss GT-x setup)
http://www.bossgtcentral.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
And have a read. It will be alot easier than anyone trying to tell you what it can/cannot do.
Then, you will have a better idea.
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=8371
some amps here that have been recommended.
Also, read this (stereo effects are easy)
http://www.thestompbox.net/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=10
Knowing what I do about you, I think this may entertain/have more fun, with this type arrangement at your point in life.
Nick
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wow for 93 bloody pounds thats AWESOME..... of course it may probably sound like shitee.... but who knows...
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I agree with Tinus' post earlier on. The Tonelab rocks. Speaker sims aren't hell fantastic but deliver good enough results. Check some of the clips on my other thread, which are all TLab onto Harddisk http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3356
In the end it's matter of taste, on the Line6 stuff, I miss richness and complexity, they sound a little lifeless to me.
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vox tonelabs are supposed to be very similar/almost on a par with the GT-8's.... anyone ever cmpared the two?
Yup. I played through the GT-8 and a few other effect units before buying the ToneLab SE. IMO, there's no better amp modeller out there at the moment than the Vox ToneLab SE. I am able to pick the difference between the POD Pro gear and a real amp in blind tests and I was happy with the Vox. I hate most effects units and amp modellers bug me most of the time, but I liked the Vox. It even feels like a tube amp to play through--I can't say that about any other modeller. The ToneLab is the only modeller ever to have a valve in the power stage, rather than the preamp. This may account for its authenticity.
The Digitech stuff is the worst I've tried. And I didn't just try it in a shop; I took it home with me over night and played it like crazy. Real nasty sounds, IMO. The effects might be ok through a decent amp, but the modelling is awful.
The POD stuff does heavy sounds better than the Vox does, I think. The Vox is more suited to clean and overdrived sounds (similar to Vox amps, I suppose).
The BOSS GT-8 is very complex. There's no competition between it and the Vox when it comes to programability. If you want a diverse effects unit, look no further. Again, I'm not that thrilled with the amp modelling, but to be honest I didn't get to mess with it as much as I'd like to.
My order of preference, for what works for me:
Vox ToneLab SE
POD XT Live
BOSS GT-8
(I haven't tried the Zoom or any other recent stuff)
Digitech GNX
Or was it a GT-6 I tried . . . ? Hmm. It's been a year now.
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hmmm
thing is i need diversity because im not really decided on a specific style of music i play yet....
if i was using my head i guess maybe i would say vox cause my band is a 'classic rock' sound and that would make sense....
but then i personally prefer harder rock-metal and even my band is starting to dabble in that now...
how does the POD compare to the Boss and Vox in general?
and im looking at primarily the pre-ampness of these units NOT the effects cause im probably gonna be selling my amps to run whichever unit i get through a keyboard amp or PA type system...
i know where i can try most of these units- in Coda near me... so some time in the holidays ill pop over there to check em out
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I thought you were getting an ENGL?
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so did i :?
ive confused myself
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im not sure now....
anyone been converted from amps to modellers or other way round?
apart from maybe the authenticity issue, what are the pros/cons of each way? (real amp or modelling that is)
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so did i :?
ive confused myself
he he...well my best opinion would be, sure be aware of all the options, but (and I really don't mean to sound nasty here) take most of what people say on here with a pinch of salt. Don't disregard it, but remember that all we have are our personal opinions which invariably differ from person to person. It's not that any one piece of kit is better than an other; simply that one person prefers it. But it might be that one thing works for you that works for no-one else. I think the problem with the internet is that, for musicians, it has encouraged us to buy things without trying beforehand, and sometimes this leads to disappointment - a great pedal that doesn't work with one person's particular amp, for example. I know I've had my fingers burnt!
So just take your time and try to 'try before you buy'. :)
IMO, the best bet out of what you have currently listed is the ENGL. I think, in all honesty, if you bought a digital unit, in 2 or 3 years time you'd be wanting a valve amp - particularly if you spend time around the internet where almost everyone will tell you that valve is better (I would agree with that, but the point I'm trying to make is that with so many people saying that, you might find yourself wanting a valve amp in the near future). Plus, if an amp can do tight distortions and sparkly cleans, that's about all you're ever going to need, and it seems like the ENGL can do that.
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hmmm cheers ian mate....
know what your saying about taking things with a pinch of salt...
im gonna try out the modellers in coda music and then try out the ENGL wherever i can find it.
this is turning out to be a much more complex decision than i first thought.....
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i'm with willo all the way on that. He's a clever guy right there sammy boy. listen to ur elders
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lol im listening trust me... im taking in as much info as possible...
i know valve amps are supposed to be great but i wasnt blown over by my lc30.... and the thing about a valve amp is that i would NEED a hotplate- ive discovered that after the limited use ive had of my laney...
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Being ampless for most of the time I am stuck with using a Korg Pandora with headphones, or running acoustically (which is nice on the 360 but not the strat).
I also figure that playing along with backing tracks would help my playing
Therefore I have been considering somthing to feed audio to the company laptop via USB, however to be honest my Line 6 Spider put me off ever using anything from Line 6 again.
So I was looking at the options ;
Digitech GNX 4 (too expensive)
Zoom G2.1u (affordable)
GT-8 (possibly too expensive).
Any further suggestions ?
Rob...
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what do you mean feed audio to?
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what do you mean feed audio to?
To send the audio to the PC either via USB or Firewire
Rob...
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audio as in stuff that you play?
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Nope, well actually yes.
I wish the guitar output to wend it's way to the laptop in some fashion.
Rob...
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what about something like a zoom ps04.... as in a recording device rather than multi-fx...?
having said that the zooms have built in effect anyway...
the korg px4 or something is virtually identical to the zooms but that has USB too....
then you could record, put on pc, play the recorded track, then play along...
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I've got both, an Engl Screamer with 4x12 V30 as well as a Tonelab. At home I almost only play the Tonelab through Studio monitors. I've never tried it with a band/PA.
If I would have a band again, I would give the TL a try (less heavy to carry around and more versatile), but might end up with the combination of TLab and Engl, or TL and UniValve, or maybe just an amp with a Wah pedal, as effects kinda get lost anyway with a band. Ideally, you'd find a shop nearby that gives proper service and lets you try both options in a band rehearsal. My old guitar salesman in Germany did that for me actually, back in the old days:)
All the products in your range offer good options, don't think the TLab is not versatile, not only has it Recto models, it also has 7 different overdrive/distortion pedals, which gives you virtually any sound you might need. Friends of mine are into metal and ask me every time to bring the Tonelab when I visit them, so they can make some recordings with it.
But the only way to find what's right and clicks with you is playing it. You already found out which products are in the finals, in the end your belly will tell you which wins the race :wink:
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lol! cheers hunter!!!! really helpful info...
now its crunch time... i have to try the things...
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hey Hunter, know Sam won't mind me stealing his thread a min (does it to me ALL the time :)).
Did you A/B the Engl Thunder/Screamer? How did you decide on screamer?
Thanks,
Nick
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its not even my thread!!! haha this thread is second-hand already- i stole it from bubchronic :P
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Part of the reason is that I hate playing via headphones, therefore the thought of using the laptop as an amp appeals (have you trued the pligin Trash it's great BTW)
Well a work mate is buying one of the zoom G2 acoustic modeller thingies on the 16th, so when I get back (hopefully getting home for Easter) I will check out it's capabilitys.
If I like it I may have a look at the G2.1u to see if it does anything for me.
Rob...
On tehe subject of headphones the few times a year when I'm in a real stoner mood then I love headphones I set a very long delay (5 secs can get totally strange) and see where the mood takes me.
Does anybody else still do this, or have the rest of you grown up too much ?
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too long for me to have gone that far back, sheesh!
Anyway, YOU take over EVERY thread so was pretty safe bet you took it or started it ;P
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<---------- pleads the fifth to Rob's comment/question :)
I use some JBL (darth vader looking) speakers for me laptop and the modellor sounds WOOHOO through them.
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^ :D :lol: :P :D
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Being ampless for most of the time I am stuck with using a Korg Pandora with headphones, or running acoustically (which is nice on the 360 but not the strat).
I also figure that playing along with backing tracks would help my playing
Therefore I have been considering somthing to feed audio to the company laptop via USB, however to be honest my Line 6 Spider put me off ever using anything from Line 6 again.
So I was looking at the options ;
Digitech GNX 4 (too expensive)
Zoom G2.1u (affordable)
GT-8 (possibly too expensive).
Any further suggestions ?
Rob...
I think you'd be happiest with a small practice amp. Take a look at the Vox stuff. It's really good! I have a $99 CND Pathfinder and the clean sounds are awesome for what it is. When I had my Tonelab in front of it, it killed the "valve" sounds from a friend's Vetta II . Of course, the Tonelab isn't a cheap option, though the desktop ones, second-hand, are prolly ok. In any case, you can play along to backing tracks without your guitar going through the computer.
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^ thats what i was thinking- dont understand the reason for having to get sound to computer to play along to backing track?
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Ok,
I tried the GT-8, the XTlive and the GNX 3000.
The XT sounds good, but variation seems limited, unless its just varying overdrive sounds you want. Also the switching isn't seamless.
The Digitech is great fun, especially the whammy, but the sounds are too fizzy/thin for my taste.
The Boss can be endlessly tweaked by the user and the effects are by far the most varied. Most importantly; to my ear it has a much higher sound quality. Considering I love the sound of my Marshall , and I just want a good variety of effects for solos in our more unusual songs- it has to be the Boss unit for me.
This research and trial has reminded me how much I love my Marshalls.
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I've heard good things about the GT8 from people who use boutique effects.
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Ok,
I tried the GT-8, the XTlive and the GNX 3000.
The XT sounds good, but variation seems limited, unless its just varying overdrive sounds you want. Also the switching isn't seamless.
The Digitech is great fun, especially the whammy, but the sounds are too fizzy/thin for my taste.
The Boss can be endlessly tweaked by the user and the effects are by far the most varied. Most importantly; to my ear it has a much higher sound quality. Considering I love the sound of my Marshall , and I just want a good variety of effects for solos in our more unusual songs- it has to be the Boss unit for me.
This research and trial has reminded me how much I love my Marshalls.
Hey have you tried the 4 cable method? I've read about it over at Boss GT Central. It seems like it would work great, especially if you want to preserve your amps tone.
You plug your guitar into the input of the GT8.
Then run the GT8's effect send to your amps input.
Then the amp's effect send to the GT8's effect return.
Then the GT8's output to the amp's effects return.
Then you can put the compression, distortion and wah effects in front of the amp and the delay and modulation efffects after the pre-amp.
No I do not own one. I just want one really badly.
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Hey have you tried the 4 cable method? I've read about it over at Boss GT Central. It seems like it would work great, especially if you want to preserve your amps tone.
Hi Eric,
this coould be an excellent solution. I have read about this and intend to give it a try. cheers
bub