Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Players => Topic started by: hunter on March 31, 2006, 09:51:45 PM
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Blasphemy. Sorry to do this one, I just adore Jimmy so much!
This is my BlackDog, bridge position>Tonelab>Logic Audio. Just a tiny little Delay from the Tonelab added. Used Marshall 80s (JCM800) model with G12H model. Will post some stuff from the neck, too.
UPDATE: Meanwhile I've posted more clips further down and on page 2.
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Very nice! Good tone and playing.
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AWESOMENESS DEFINED!!!!
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That's her. Not bad for a 450 EUR guitar, eh? Below the maple veneer, there's an alder cap on the mahogany instead of maple, but hey, who cares?
Thx for the nice comments :roll:
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That tone is jimmy Page! I'm impressed they sound really spot on! Cool playing on stairway too!
Have you seen the tribute band Whole Lotta Led yet?
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shes a beaut! 450 euros!!!! your a thief!!!! what actually guitar is it? make? dont tell me its an actual gibson... please dont tell me that...
it was awesome tone... would say it was QUITE page- i think there was slightly too much gain for page but thats not a bad thing.
also is it 450 with BKPs lol ???? i dont spose it is
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Hija.
Haven't heard of Whole Lotta Led yet, but their site is promising. Will see whether I can make it to UK for one of their gigs. I'm quite often in Weybridge...
Re QUITE Page, sure, hey, that is my lowest gain tone, hehe :twisted:
It is no Gibson. It's a simple Epiphone Les Paul Classic, and available new everywhere for that price, even less. Frets and finish weren't perfect, but now I played them frets a little, they're quite smooth. And again no, for that price it comes with shitey epiphone pickups, so the money for Tim's babies is on top. He's gotta live too, right? :D
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haha yer i wasnt expecting that to be a gibson or include the bkps lol..
but people on here seem to find such ridiculous bargains its untrue so i thought id ask lol...
anyway, lowest gain tone!!?? LOL! youve gotta do us a metal clip now hehehe :twisted:
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Left me wanting more- cool
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That tone was very good Sambo, you can't expect the man to plug into a vintage 100w Marshall stack howling at full chat for that extra authentic touch!
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:lol:
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Hmm, let's see, If me neighbours have mercy tomorrow, I might grab a mic and plug an EL34 in my UniValve (usually go between 6550, KT66 and 6L6). This beast has only up to 18 watts, but screams like a crowd of pigs in boiling water :crzy:
Only have a Voc mic at the moment, but will try to get some good tones on disc.
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haha crowd of pigs in boiling water... what a great analogy that is!
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That is awesome tone - I need more more more, more I say :D
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Allrighty, here is some more Blackdog in Tonelab. Used the Soldano model this time except for the rhythm (80 Brit) and switched to the neck in the middle of the lead track.
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WOW that sounds awesome.. got me wanting a Black Dog for the bridge of my LP instead of the Mule :lol: Sounds so crunchy and good though, especially in the Stranglehold one, dammit it sounds awesome *drools*
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awesome dude!
how do you like the Tonelab? im thinking of getting one. does it behave like a real amp?
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Re the Tonelab: Now this is a topic I could go on and on and on about...
To be honest, I don't know whether it behaves like a real amp, I don't know if that'll ever be achievable in a preamp. What I can say though is that it excites me as much as the real thing. Bought it more than a year ago and just can't take my fingers off it! It's so simple and still there's so much to discover, things that drive me to play more and more and more. And yes, there's a huge difference if you drive the ValveReactor power stage a little or a lot, so maybe that brings it more close to "real" than other modelers. And then it's just so convenient for recording...
Have changed the tube from EH to a JJ one based on harmony-central posts. But that was mainly because of my Axis had sounded a little thin and brittly with the EH one. With the Les Paul, the EH might even be the better choice.
When testing the POD against it in the shop, I didn't like the POD. But there was one sound sample I heard from a dude here with a squier that blew me away, that made me change my opinion. (http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3090). He used a valve pedal with the POD, so these tubes seem to really make the difference.
I always like the clips recorded with JMP-1s, seems to be a very well designed preamp, then again, it's a completely different product.
The fact that in the TL you only have _one internal effect slot _before the amp is a real flaw though, because their booster/drive pedals as well as the wah models sound awesome, but you can't use em together. You can however insert an external pedal in that part of the signal chain.
Nevertheless: The Tonleab SE is THE piece of gear that I regret the least to have ever bought.
Hmmm... might be the Epiphone and the Bareknuckles take over the lead in that area
:headphones5:
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Here is some more BlackDog/Tonelab (still too early to crank the Uni).
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^aweeeeesomeee!!!!!
how much does the tonelab cost?
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floor version with 2x expression pedal should be around 300GBP
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corr!!!!
so what... you record with that as well? is it a recording thing? what do you play it through when you gig? amp, cab, PA system?
just listened to the newest clips- excellent again
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That tonelab gets some really nice tones! Dont think the metal one suited heartbreaker though :lol:
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That tonelab gets some really nice tones! Dont think the metal one suited heartbreaker though :lol:
Sorry, that's my inner Jimmy who comes out occasionally... can't control it :wink:
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Those pickups are nice! I may get those instead of riff raffs for an epi i have.
Someone do a riff raff clip!
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I don't normally comment on clips cos my playing is so cr@p, but I have to say I love the tone on the second clip.
Rob...
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the clips sound amasing!!! i just got a blackdog for my epipi standard. looks like i made the right desision 8)
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Great clips and playing. Have you ever heard Gotthard's version of the the Immigrant song?
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Aaaaaaannnd... another one!
Sorry guys, can't stop playing since I have these BlackDogs. They are so different from everything else I have, dirty, grunty, barky
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This is a theme of a song I used to play with my old band. All guitars with my BKP BDs equipped Epi. Intro with EBow and a rotary effect. Middle part both rhythm and lead with a Soldano model in Tonelab, Preamp 5, Master Amp 10. Also note the Blues licks in the outro section, which are played mainly on the Neck pickup through a Bassman model on the Tonelab.
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Really great sounding guitar! I was blown away by the Black Dog the other week.
It's nice to hear some classic riffing & soloing, too! :)
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all these clips ;) nice one!
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Hunter those clips are fantastic! And you have just made me decide once and for all that BKP will be getting an order soon for a calibrated set of Black Dogs for my epi LP standard. :D
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Done a small clip again. This time I finally used a real amp , the THD UniValve, equipped with Tung-Sol 12AX7, Philipps NOS 12AU7, Tung-Sol 6V6. The Amp doesn't have so much definition with a 6V6, I normally prefer 6550s, but those are too loud at the moment.
Cab is a Laney 4x12 with Celestion Vintage 30s
Sweetened up the Uni with a VOX 847 and a Diamond Drive 1 (without the boost activated).
Still having difficulties to get a sound recorded that's even close to the tone I have in my music room. At the moment I only have a condenser tube mic, which is great for an ambience sound but not so great for the directness and the dynamics. I have ordered a Palmer PDI09, maybe that will - in combination with the condenser - bring me closer to my ideal.
This definitely sounds a lot different than the Tonelab stuff I did earlier in this thread.
For the pickups: This clip shows the good string separation even on the neck with quite some drive as well as the nice harmonics of the Black Dogs, that make it lots of fun going into decent feedbacks.
Sorry for the bad tuning and timing, this was done with focus on tone, not playing.
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Very nice clip!! Gorgeous tone! :twisted:
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Great clip!! Lovely tone, the sustain is well cool too! The BD's really have a classic LP sound.
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Awesome crunch there! I get a pretty similar sound from my Mules into rat into hrdx actually, just a bit thicker.
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Thanks a load for those clips, You sound like a pretty fantastic player! Black-Dogs are deliciously crunchy, love 'em!
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Sounds good! Nice tone! You do know however that that solo was played on a Tele, right? ;)
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Nice clips man. I heard these a while ago when my friend first sent me the link to the site, and I wasn't even thinking of replacing my Les Paul pickups until hearing your clips.
I ended up going with some Rebel Yells, but it was your clips that really sparked my interest in BKP, so that should hopefully give you 2 minutes of satisfaction knowing you helped someone else out ;)
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Haha, wow, thanks for the flowers. BKPs rock and I just couldn't stop making clips and clips and clips. Got the same "problem" with my latest gadget (HAO Rust Driver), just can't get enough:)
I'm happy if these clips can contribute to Tim's business, it's anyway not the slightest penny wasted and I'm sure you're enjoying your BKPs as much as I do.
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I'll know next week sometime ;)
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Sounds great - you can't beat upgraded Epis ;)
Did you just swap the pickups, or have you upgraded the pots/caps too?
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What is this tonelab? A Vox tonelab correct?
Damn that does sound like power tube distortion!
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Yep, Vox Tonelab.
I can only agree with hunter. Great piece of gear!! :)
Compared to the pod it's much more vintage oriented.
Oh, and nice clips!
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Did you just swap the pickups, or have you upgraded the pots/caps too?
Indeed, I put in new pots/cabs, but not the switch and cables to/from it. The switch with its cheap cables is something that will have to go.
And I'm considering coil split, probably a very simple one, just a push-pull for outer coils.
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Yep, Vox Tonelab.
I can only agree with hunter. Great piece of gear!! :)
Compared to the pod it's much more vintage oriented.
Oh, and nice clips!
It also sounds much more authentic than any pod tones I have heard as well!
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Well, there is some post production involved with those clips, I have to say. The speaker sims of the TLab aren't that great, but overall the sounds are superb, very versatile. This modeler has actually given me back the fun of guitar playing.
I recommend to exchange the stock EH12AX7A with a JJ one - gives more warmth and depth indeed (ensure to use the highest spec ones), and the presence should be used with caution on the Soldano model...
Meanwhile I'm not touching it so much, as I'm back to playing loud (band assignment:), which means less effects and a valve head (ENGL Screamer). At the moment I only use the Engl, a RMC3 Wah and a T.Rex Replica Delay. These are all finest components and give a nice sound indeed - however it's much harder to capture than the Tonelab sounds.
I would be wondering actually what it would be like to play the TLab directly into the PA system...
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Hi Hunter,
I read about changing the tube but as i know nothing about tubes I'm curious is it hard to exchange?
And what are highest specs for tubes?
About direct into PA:
I play in two bands.
For my Funk band I use the TLab direct into the PA and it sounds quite good. but it's mainly clean sounds.
With my progressive rock band I go through a Peavey 50/50 into a 4x12cab and it sounds great (at least to my ears).
I tried some of the heavy, distorted sounds I use in my prog band through a PA and that didn't work. They're not as warm, full, organic and there's no oomph!!! :)
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Hey,
Changing the tube is no big deal, though it requires a little fiddling around, as the opening is done a little too tight at the tonelab. But it's just plugging the old one out and the new one in, trying not to break anything :)
Highest spec is when ordering the tube, order it for V1 spec, that means a selected one that has less noise and microphonics and is eligible for being used in the first stage of an amp.
Good luck!
The lack of oomph in the PA variant could be related to the speaker sims which are a little thin ...
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Very nice Hunter.
Glad to see and hear a fellow Led Zep fan :wink:
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I got a Tonelab SE for 2 years now and can't get enough of it. I'm just blown away every time by how real it sounds. I got a Toneport UX2 too, sound really good but don't have that warmth the tonelab get.
A funny thing, many people say the Tonelab sucks for metal tone, but if you carefully tune the settings like a real amp, it screams like a beast :lol: (my favorite : tube overdrive maxed out + jcm800 + H30 cab sim, kicks ass)
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From all the clips you posted here, i liked this one more
strhold
it has a very good sound
crunchy, slightly Dry, tight(?), and still Sings on the highs .
am i right or wrong?
iīm nit sure about the metal palm mute thing. can be something you arenīt doing correctly but i think the pickup can ALSO doo metal too.
i think all bkps can do metal . ahahah THATīS AWESOME FOR TIM,AND BAD FOR ME, that wil lhave to spend the whole money in BKīP Pickups
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Q:p
Congratulations
JP
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Also...... i didnīt notice when you were using the neck .
can you post solely a neck soundclip of it please with the kind of settings/distortion from the strnghld clip PLease?!
Q:)
Hails
JP
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Also II
i liked the Uni Kondenser CLip too.
PRetty Good
too
Thankīs and congratulations AGAIN
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I've said it before and I'll say it again "Awesome!!! Awesome to the max!!!" (yes I've been watching Futurama) :wink: Great tone for an emulater I'm impressed. Oh yeah and some nifty playing aswell :P
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Thanks guys, and I#m hardly using the TLab since I got my Bognerbaby:) But gotta say that TLab is easier to play than a real amp, so recording with the other gear is kinda hard.
Also...... i didnīt notice when you were using the neck .
can you post solely a neck soundclip of it please
Dude you got demands:) Dunno the stranglehold setting anymore, but done one here with a different setting.
Don't judge me on the original please, I am really not fast enough, my wah battery is dead and my guitar is out of tune. :( Still, it's a neck clip of the BDs so here we go :roll:
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(my favorite : tube overdrive maxed out + jcm800 + H30 cab sim, kicks ass)
Awesome Tip!!!! I usually used Soldano, but now I tried this one, and listen here, I had to make a clip right away.
THIS SETTING ROCKS !!!!
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Nice clips Hunter.
I especially like the Sweet Child sound sample.
Very Guns and Roses-ish.
The tone was spot on and the solo was played perfectly :wink:
I assume you are using Black Dogs still for the clips...
And the neck pickup?? :roll:
Keep it up :wink: ,
RorySRV,
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I told you Black Dogs would do Slash just fine ;)
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So it seems a Black Dog and a Mule would be the perfect combination to replicate Page, Slash and Moore tones :wink:
Right??
RorySRV,
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That would roughly be the Page combo right there.... his neck was stock and his bridge was slightly overwound.... (I'm not sure if a Black Dog neck is the same as a Mule neck now that I think about it heh).
And you can pull off Gary Moore tones especially with a Mule neck.... what he does most of the time anyway is use the middle position and use the volume controls to create the balance he is after.
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Yea thats what I was thinking.
I am also going to get the Black Dog in the neck as a black uncovered version and the neck Mule as covered with a nickel cover just like Jimmy Page's Gibson Signature Guitar
or
Do you think I should get them both nickel covered like his original Les Paul that he had in the late 60's? :?
RorySRV,
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I assume you are using Black Dogs still for the clips...
And the neck pickup?? :roll:
Yep this was 2x Black Dogs, the calibrated set, open coils in my cheapo Epiphone.
I think a Black Dog set or a mule set would both do fine for you. Mule might be a good idea in the neck due to its lower output (I like the lower output neck pickup on the RebelYell set a lot).
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Awesome Tip!!!! I usually used Soldano, but now I tried this one, and listen here, I had to make a clip right away.
THIS SETTING ROCKS !!!!
Yeaa it just screams, better definition than with the soldano. pretty good for old school metal and power rock :twisted:
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Excellent CLIPS.
can you add MORE DISTORTION to the neck clip? so sustain will be improved.
and iīll have my doubt fixed.
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THANKīS6 THANKīS6 THANKīS6 !!!!!!!
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JP
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Did another Zep one, playing is quite sloppy in some areas but I kept it all because the attitude is right :lol:
Oh and who is going to listen to this until the end (after sth like 5 minutes!) must be really interested in these pickups ...
oh yeah it's Ms. Shiva on conversation volume mic'ed with a SM57 ...
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/looongstairway.mp3
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This stairway clip is awesome!
I cant ever imagine an amp sounding this good at low volumes for some reason :lol: It sounds like my ideal tone, if only it werent so expensive :(
If this was your V30 cab, I cant understand why I always read people on HC saying they have a nasally, peircing high tone!
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If this was your V30 cab, I cant understand why I always read people on HC saying they have a nasally, peircing high tone!
This was the G12H30 side of the cab, not the Vintage30. They mix well together but for recording I prefer the 12H30 for its more even frequency balance ...
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feckin hell, that is the EXACT tone i have in my head for my epi
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Did another Zep one, playing is quite sloppy in some areas but I kept it all because the attitude is right :lol:
Oh and who is going to listen to this until the end (after sth like 5 minutes!) must be really interested in these pickups ...
oh yeah it's Ms. Shiva on conversation volume mic'ed with a SM57 ...
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/looongstairway.mp3
WOW!!! at the tone at 1:36... you change to the neck pickup there?
Awesome clip!!!
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That last clip sounds unbelievable.
Q: when replacing pups in the Epi, did you throw out that connector? I opened up my Epi and was amazed : I never saw anything like that in any other guitar.
Jan
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That last clip sounds unbelievable.
Q: when replacing pups in the Epi, did you throw out that connector? I opened up my Epi and was amazed : I never saw anything like that in any other guitar.
Jan
The one that looks like from a computer drive? Yes. But i still have to replace the thin cheapo cable from the switch with proper shielded vintage wire (have it here already).
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Hey Hunter,
Thanks for posting these - I'm ordering my Black Dog and Mule neck tomorrow morning thanks to your clips ... they sound amazing. The Stairway 1 and 3 clips are using the BD bridge I assume?
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Did another Zep one, playing is quite sloppy in some areas but I kept it all because the attitude is right
Oh and who is going to listen to this until the end (after sth like 5 minutes!) must be really interested in these pickups ...
oh yeah it's Ms. Shiva on conversation volume mic'ed with a SM57 ...
http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/looongstairway.mp3
Wow - what a sweet tone!! I really like the very end bit where you play quiet too.
I listened to it til the end becase the playing and tone is great - I'm a metaller so these pups are prob quite low on my list of bkps to get :wink: but its good to listen to different pups every so often!
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I have decided on BD's - thanks for the samples
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I'm curious to hear what the "raw" unprocessed original recording sounds like...