Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Alfi27 on May 17, 2016, 06:35:37 PM
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Hello again fellas!
Finally got the Abraxas set for my Gibson Les Paul Standard DC. Awesome guitar but somewhat "meh" stock pickups, especially the 498T. In their defense the stock pots were even worse, really bad taper and "wrong" values (300k volume 500k tone). I did of course put in a pair of the BKP 550k pots and a Jensen cap as well. Like I mentioned in the other thread there was a mess up at BKP so I did get them with braided 2 conductor cables for some reason, even though I ordered 4 conductor. Quite a bummer considering they spent about a week in the mail before I got them, but I have not decided yet if I want to go through the hassle of sending them back. I really want to clarify that this is not to bash BKP in any way, they have offered to clean up their mess and even a nice gesture/compensation, but that is the reason why you will not hear anything about the split tones in this review nevertheless. :smiley:
Before I start this review, I want to write a couple of words from my previous experience with the Abraxas bridge pickup in a Gibson Les Paul Custom. I started out with the Riff Raff/Mule combo in the guitar, as well as an RS-kit. The guitar did not strike me as particularly bright with the stock pickups, they were actually really good in that guitar but I had another Les Paul (Czech made Epiphone) with really bad pickups so I figured that it would make more sense to buy BKPs for the expensive LP Custom as opposed to the relatively cheap (but great) Epi. The Epiphone got the stock pickups and pots from the Custom and it sounded great!
The Custom was a different story though... The Riff Raff was too bright, the Mule was great but I honestly do not think you can go wrong with that one. I planned on exchanging the Riff Raff for an Abraxas, but I tried it in the Epiphone first. Match made in heaven really! So I ordered the Abraxas and got it right ahead of Christmas. I did not notice a too big difference honestly, it was still very bright and not too tight but alright I guess. I finally gave up on the guitar and sold it. The Epiphone honestly both played and sounded a lot better, to a fraction of the price. I tried to be brief, but you know...
Fast forward to my new experience with the Abraxas, this time the set: the very first thing that striked was that the neck pickup completely overpowered the bridge pickup! Taking a closer look I did of course notice that the height was off on both of them, but even though the bridge pickup has almost double the DC it is in no way overpowering. I had no problem balancing them and this was really not one of my concerns either. After my previous sort of "meh" experience with them I was really excited but also a little bit skeptical. Not really sure how I came to that conclusion, but for some reason I blamed the Alnico IV magnet for my previous experience. Like almost every time with Bare Knuckle, I was proven wrong, but I do not think I have ever been proved this wrong!
Like some of you in my other thread pointed out, it has a few similarities with The Boss. If you like that one you will most likely love the Abraxas. So what does it sound like, other than «great»? It has this really unique mid range drive and crunch, I really cannot emphasize enough how driven it sounds even with moderate amounts of gain! And yes, it is tight! Compared to my Alnico V Nantucket (P90) equipped guitars it is a tiny tiny tad less tight maybe, and compared to the Riff Raff I honestly do not think you would notice a difference. I also noticed one really surprising thing today: dropping the low E string to D and playing really heavy metal (Scream Aim Fire by Bullet For My Valentine to be exact) I actually vastly prefer the tone of the Abraxas to my EMG 81x/85x equipped Mayones Setius which has heavier strings and is in general set up for lower tunings like that! That is just mindblowing, I do not know why they write "heavy rock" as the heaviest the Abraxas can do in the "Applications" section on the site. It may depend on the guitar as well of course, but it might also be that they want to stay more true to the Santana-reference? A little bit strange though. One last thing: despite the 14k DC resistance the versatility is not compromised at all, definitely not any less versatile than the Riff Raff, Nantucket and the Boss which was exactly what I wanted! I would say that it handles heavier stuff even better without compromising lower gain tones.
So, that was the bridge pickup. The neck pickup is not very different from the Mule neck, but it is different. The Mule sits in an all solid 4,2kg Les Paul and the Abraxas sits in a chambered 3,1kg Les Paul DC with 24 frets so the neck pickup is moved a little bit towards the bridge. Taking all of this into consideration and the fact that they perform very similar, where the Abraxas might be even more rounded, smooth and fluid but certainly not less, really tells a lot! I really love it, it sounds great clean and driven and it has this really nice in between position sort of "jangle" which I have only heard in vintage output pickups. It is also really dynamic, I found myself sitting about 10 minutes with a cranked plexi profile on my Kemper just plucking the strings really softly and enjoying the dynamics, think Brothers in Arms. I use the bridge pickup about 80-90% of the time so I am afraid that will be reflected in this review, haha! :laugh:
Bottom line: these pickups are highly underrated! People might think that they «fall between two stools», and that they might as well go for a contemporary pickup when the DC is 14k. To put it this way: even though it is the hottest in the vintage hot range, it is more vintage than contemporary. I have not tried the Mule bridge pickup (but I really, really want to after this experience with the Alnico IV magnet!), but if you are afraid that the Mule might be too weak/low output this one is a really good alternative. I want to say that it is a "hot PAF", but it does not feel that hot honestly. It drives the amp more than a 7-8k vintage pickup but it also cleans up really well. This pickup is so unique that it is really hard to put it in a "boot". I think that covered most stuff, sound clips coming soon! Maybe even a comparison of the other BKPs! Stay tuned. :grin:
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Great to hear this one worked out too. Especially that we were right with that Boss bit. =)
And thanks for writing this up, it shall now join the sticky. Cheers mate!
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I really, really must get myself an Abraxas bridge pickup! It sounds absolutely perfect with that vintage tone and feel but tight and hot like something more modern.
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The main enemy of the Abraxas set is the name. We think of ourselves as people with our own judgement, not easily impressionable, and you read the specifications and reviews, ok, really good, you hear the samples, Ok as well, but then you see the name, Abraxas, and this weighs a ton in your subconscious and you start looking for excuses... well, maybe alnico IV is not the best, etc... At least, that's more or less what happened to me. When I tried the pickup, I completely fell in love and realized that from the very first moment that Ben recommended the Abraxas to me, I've been fooling around and makin' up silly excuses. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I agree 100% and I speak as one who really loves Santana's tone, especially his earlier material. The trouble is that it makes you fixate on one style or possibly in this case, just one piece of music. Even if it was meant to be his tone, Santana's catalogue of material covers an awful lot of ground but like most Bare Knuckle pickups, it will also easily cover ground both before and after the area you expect it to. That makes the Abraxas potentially a VERY versatile pickup that will cover more ground than almost anything else in the BKP range and based on the experience of those who have actually tried it, that seems to be the case. I tend to think of the Abraxas as the pickup that, if needed, really will go in any guitar and cover pretty much any style.
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Great review. A lot of players want to slam their amps with highgain pickups. More or less overkill when using highgainamps. I rather prefer low- to mediumoutput with highgainamps. Even with Mules you can play metal.
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Thanks guys! I have to admit that I was not aware of the Santana-reference until recently (not too long before I bought them), but I cannot say that I was bothered by that. It was the Alnico IV magnet in general that made me a bit skeptical. When it comes to Santana I think he is a good guitarist and all but not a particular big fan of his music, I played Black Magic Woman on Guitar Hero but that is about it, haha! I can see how the neck pickup is Santana though, beautiful and touch sensitive.
So, I decided to stick to my initial plan and shipping them back for the 4 conductor conversion. Kind of a bittersweet feel when they have checkboxes that say "treat package as abandoned if lost" or something like that... And I do not trust the Norwegian postal services much either, but that might be because I am not used to shipping stuff abroad. Due to that there won't be any clips too soon either, but in return I will extend the review and clips to cover the split tones also! :smiley:
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I totally agree that the Abraxas pickups are totally under-rated and that they are super versatile.
They were the first BKPs I owned. I put them in a PRS Santana SE. The stock ones were meh, and I figured it was appropriate. To my surprise, that guitar has been my go-to for just about everything since. Also, the output is high enough that even when I coil tap, I don't find a huge drop in volume, which I like.
I just ordered a mule/riff raff combo for my McCarty Korina and I hope I like them close to the same amount. If not, the Abraxas are coming out of the SE and going in the core.
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Got the 498T/490R wired up with the new BKP pots, hoping they would sound at least better than they did with the stock pots. I was wrong... The tone is really harsh and shrill, the guitar is no longer such a joy to play. It's a little bit hard to imagine but when a guitar sounds great it just feels great and the playability is perceived as much better. I would certainly take an Epiphone LP with an Abraxas set over a Suhr with a 498T/490R set any day!
The Abraxas' do not only have maybe the most awesome humbucker tones I have ever heard, but if they can make my Les Paul sound stratty and a little bit quacky in the in between position I hardly think it can get any better! I really hope more people will give them a chance after others and I have shared our experience with them.
As a side note: Have anyone experienced them being too dark? I can imagine them being maybe a tad dark in a really dark and heavy Les Paul, but again; they are very balanced pickups, not any lack of top end but certainly not too much either.
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Ok, I after all the recent AB praise I really want a set. I too am one who knew they were good, but was not really intrigued. Cause I did not, and still don´t quite, know what they do. I hear the descriptions and all, and it seems cool, but I recon that there is a certain something about them. That extra thing.
Actually think I might have a good axe for them where others did "good" only. Now if I just could get the funds....after my homebrewing stuff.^^
Point being, I guess these are ones that perhaps more than other need to be experienced? Does that sound right?
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Ok, I after all the recent AB praise I really want a set. I too am one who knew they were good, but was not really intrigued. Cause I did not, and still don´t quite, know what they do. I hear the descriptions and all, and it seems cool, but I recon that there is a certain something about them. That extra thing.
My "theory" is that many people are likely to have a problem finding the Abraxas' place in the BKP range, and might struggle to put it "in a boot". "Is it a vintage or a contemporary pickup? Why shouldn't I just go with a "pure" vintage or contemporary pickup instead?" That is the real beauty of it imo it, it has the best of both worlds and it can do both vintage and contemporary stuff with attitude!
I cannot wait to put together a clip when I get them back! If anyone of you have any wishes regarding amps I can see if I can get a profile of it, if I don't have it already haha. If not you will hear profiles from a lot of awesome amps, like an exact replica of the amp Slash used on AFD (same guy who modded it with the exact same mod), 68 Plexi, Friedman Smallbox, Fender Deluxe Reverb etc.
Actually think I might have a good axe for them where others did "good" only. Now if I just could get the funds....after my homebrewing stuff.^^
Point being, I guess these are ones that perhaps more than other need to be experienced? Does that sound right?
What axe is it that you want to put the 'Braxies in if I may ask? :smiley: And yeah, that is probably true. To put it quite simply, they have mojo, or x-factor if you will! I haven't found any guitars, amps or pickups (that are not BKP) that are super versatile and still have that.
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You always here mixed things about the 498T but I have to confess that in my Les Paul Studio, I love it. It seems to have a distinct PAF feel about it but it's also clearly a hot pickup and tight enough for Metal. It also has a lovely hairy 'sizzle' to it that has great 'attitude' without being anything like as OTT as the A-Bomb. Horses for courses I guess but I admit I'm not keen on the 490R and that's the only reason I'm changing the set. I'm actually getting something for the bridge made to pretty much the same specs as a 498T but as it's hand wound I imagine there will be some differences and for the neck I'm getting an AII PAF wound with 42.5AWG. I really did think about the Abraxas as an alternative but as this set is costing only slightly more than a single Abraxas it made sense to try these first and if they don't work I can try the Abraxas in the bridge after that. I almost hope the bridge pickup doesn't work to give me an excuse for trying the Abraxas :evil:
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Ok, I after all the recent AB praise I really want a set. I too am one who knew they were good, but was not really intrigued. Cause I did not, and still don´t quite, know what they do. I hear the descriptions and all, and it seems cool, but I recon that there is a certain something about them. That extra thing.
My "theory" is that many people are likely to have a problem finding the Abraxas' place in the BKP range, and might struggle to put it "in a boot". "Is it a vintage or a contemporary pickup? Why shouldn't I just go with a "pure" vintage or contemporary pickup instead?" That is the real beauty of it imo it, it has the best of both worlds and it can do both vintage and contemporary stuff with attitude!
I cannot wait to put together a clip when I get them back! If anyone of you have any wishes regarding amps I can see if I can get a profile of it, if I don't have it already haha. If not you will hear profiles from a lot of awesome amps, like an exact replica of the amp Slash used on AFD (same guy who modded it with the exact same mod), 68 Plexi, Friedman Smallbox, Fender Deluxe Reverb etc.
Actually think I might have a good axe for them where others did "good" only. Now if I just could get the funds....after my homebrewing stuff.^^
Point being, I guess these are ones that perhaps more than other need to be experienced? Does that sound right?
What axe is it that you want to put the 'Braxies in if I may ask? :smiley: And yeah, that is probably true. To put it quite simply, they have mojo, or x-factor if you will! I haven't found any guitars, amps or pickups (that are not BKP) that are super versatile and still have that.
I would not mind a taste of Orange, Tiny Terror to be precise. Orange always has a particular sound and I wonder how they fare with that.
The guitar I have in mind for the AB is this weird HSH superstrat thingy. Five piece neck through maple and something I don´t recall of the top of my head. Ebony board, madagascar ebony top and back with swamp ash wings. Plays unusual and not optimal, but it has a certain special sound to it that is hard to tame. Very heavy guitar too. Has a load of interesting high end, but also a deep low end that I find hard to describe. It is just there somehow? Also a generally focused sound in a compressed way. Had a Crawler set in there before. The bridge worked well, especially with the high end, but the low end never quite clicked. I think the Crawler was a bit too smooth there. Never quite got warm with the neck here, too compressed. So something a touch more open and brighter seems like a good choice.
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great review, I'm a huge fan of this pickup.
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I can't remember how I came to decide on the Abraxas set for my PRS Bernie but I am so glad I did. They are awesome in every respect and it's good to see that the word is spreading.
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As a side note: Have anyone experienced them being too dark? I can imagine them being maybe a tad dark in a really dark and heavy Les Paul, but again; they are very balanced pickups, not any lack of top end but certainly not too much either.
I do. My fault though. I currently have my bridge Abraxas on a dark guitar (heavy, all mahogany, Dean Hardtail prs-ish model). When I had it with 12-54s tuned to drop C the guitar sounded sooo nice acousticaly but when plugged in I was always reaching for the tone pot, trying to max it out.
No the guitar is tuned to drop D with 11-52s and it sounds better (more open) but the tone pot is still unused, always on 10.
This is to be expected IMO.
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That sounds like when I had Warpigs in my Explorer. I even installed a volume bypass but it was still too dark. They are fine in my SG
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I'll still try to improve it with a quality wiring loom, as pots and caps are still stock.
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What value pots are they? Trying 550k pots would be my first port of call as I can't see why you'd need more than that with Abraxas pickups, but there's always the option of going with 1 meg pots. I'd expect that to be overkill on an Abraxas though.
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I expect them to be 500K but may be on the lower side of the variation/tolerance. 550K will be what I aim for, and probably .015 caps.
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Yeah, I would not go with anything less than the 550k with the Abraxas' even in the DC, which is not a particularly dark guitar. The pickups arrived at BKP yesterday and they should go out today according to Ben. I will probably have them by the end of next week, cannot wait to enjoy the guitar again! Really excited to hear the split tones. Will also get a new amp today, the Fargen Mighty Plex MKII. The Abraxas' should sound nothing less than extraordinary with the amp! Stay tuned! :smiley:
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You're on the road to Tone Heaven.....
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Abraxas may be on the horizon for me as well - possibly :smiley:
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You're on the road to Tone Heaven.....
Yeah I believe so as well! This amp is more Marshall than any amp I have ever owned, and I have owned a few Marshalls as well.. Cannot wait to try it with the Abraxas'! I think I want to start a NAD-thread to not go too much off topic, but here is a photo nevertheless:
(http://media.gitarnorge.no/img/4c548af15fa184f88cb263e568ebcb59/2016527_13288638_10154157689540688_1579052981_o.jpg)
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Dude - this pickup is the best I've ever played. Splits amazingly well - just sparkles. It's tight enough for most metal apps and isn't over saturated/compressed, where it would lose dynamics. It also does everything below high gain extremely well. I am so happy this pickup is gaining momentum. People have no idea how musical this pickup is.
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It's funny, the Abraxis is rarely recommended on this forum, but of all the humbuckers I've tried from BKP, it's by far my favorite. It is low enough output that it handles cleans and light distortion/OD, but high enough output to really push my amp into a STUNNING sounding natural overdrive. It's like the best of all words. Probably not for some extreme metal styles but those aren't much for me anyway.
Thanks for the review and for making me feel like I'm not the only one here who loves them that much :)
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You nailed it perfectly. They are keeping it low key, so they can sell their other pickups ;).
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Nice review on one of my favorite BKPs. Loved especially the bridge pickup in every guitar I had it in, and the set is great in the Tele Gib. It is rare that the first set of pickups I put in a guitar is the final one but in that case it is. I have no desire to change them.
Cheers Stephan
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Alright, finally got the pickups back after over one week without any updates on the tracking... They sound exactly as sweet as I remember! I actually had this crazy idea about selling the guitar if the pickups turned out to be lost in the mail, because I was even more crazy yesterday and bought an almost brand new Gibson R0 :embarrassed: :laugh:
So, how are the split tones? First of all, the push pull pot kind of makes up for not having the regular 2v/2t Les Paul setup. I usually just use one tone with quite a lot of gain, and I use the volume knob(s) for cleaning up. The push pull is definitely really effective in that regard, and it is actually an advantage that the output drops a bit.
I find it really hard to describe the tones with words. It is not quite the same as a real singlecoil but it certainly adds quite a lot to the tonal palette with some really nice clean and lighter driven tones. Splitting the bridge pickup with some gain sounds really cool for some "garage rock" types of tones, little bit Tele-esque. For my use though, the split won't be quite as much used and kind of overshadowed by the star of the show: the bridge pickup in full humbucking mode with some drive! It can not be emphasized enough really, I even used the guitar at band practice tonight and that driven, raw tone was easily audible in the band mix, cutting right through like a knife!
Safe to say, the guitar ain't going anywhere! I think I'm gonna have to get rid of one of my Juniors instead (definitely not the DC)... Oh well. The R0 will probably get a set of Rebel Yells, another 2000 words review incoming! Cheers :cheesy:
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RY review inc? YEEEEEES!
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The Abraxas set indeed offers some very cool split tones on both pickups. My Tele Gib with this set is set up with an Eyb Megawitch type E for
#1 bridge humbucker
#2 bridge split (neckside coil)
#3 bridge bridgeside coil + neck neckside coil (this one captures that tele middle position tone really well)
#4 neck split (neckside coil)
#5 neck humbucker
All very good and useable tones - makes for an ultra versatile guitar.
The Abraxas set is the first set of humbuckers in this guitar before it was converted to a dual humbucker set up. It is rare that I am satisfied with the first set of pickups to go in any guitar but in this case - yes ... I have no desire to change them for something else.
Cheers Stephan