Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: b0ng0 on April 04, 2006, 07:17:27 PM
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Hey, i'm thinking about buying a small pedal for my guitar. Mostly for metal, I have a marshall amp and the gain on that does sound good, but sometimes its just not what i'm after. I'm after a pedal that I can get a good range of metal tones for and preferably not too expensive 8) .
Also on an aside, also looking for a wah wah pedal. Cry baby the best bet?
Thanks :D
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http://www.zzounds.com/item--DNPSW95
Maybe this (two birds and one stone an all that).
Not tried it but have owned/tried Dunlop Crybaby from Hell and that had ALOT of gain on a kick switch on it's base. Gave alot of distortion doing this.
However, may not be your bag.
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Also on an aside, also looking for a wah wah pedal. Cry baby the best bet?
Thanks :D
I don't think so. Try a Budda wah. Or, if that's too expensive, maybe a Vox.
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I can wholehearedly recommend the HBE Big D.
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<------ Puts JOEL hat on, Thanks once again TO, check is in mail with others, keep up good endorsement work :lol:
Just a kiddin TO :)
Ya knows ya stuff there even in New Yawk ;)
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<------ Puts JOEL hat on, Thanks once again TO, check is in mail with others, keep up good endorsement work :lol:
Just a kiddin TO :)
Ya knows ya stuff there even in New Yawk ;)
HA!
That was great, bro ... I fell out of my chair with that one!!
Seriously, tho ...
Yes, I endorse HBE, but I wouldn't recommend a pedal that I didn't think did the job, especially for Metal. (Something of a specialized field for me)
The Big D is 5 OD/Dist pedals in one box, each with 3 voicings. That gives you 15 pedals in one!!
Find 15 boutique pedals for $200 and I'll eat my hat.
Even as a clean boost, the Big D is great.
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I had a Line 6 Ubermetal for a while and before it cr@pped out it was an amazing pedal. Unfortunately it developed a fault which made it sound like there was a light phaser going on in the background. But it was an awesome pedal up until then. I plan on buying another when I get a good amp. I tried it with an Engl in the shop. Result - the best metal tone I've ever heard.
-Danny :)
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I had a Line 6 Ubermetal for a while and before it cr@pped out it was an amazing pedal.
But it still cr@pped out!
How can you recommend a pedal that doesn't work?
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Thanks for all the replies i'll check those badboys out.
One of my mates has a Boss MT-2 and says its pretty decent. Anyone had any experience / know anything about it?
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The MT-2 is fine for many applications. You should try it in your rig and see if you like it!
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I had a Marshall Guv'nor distortion pedal back in the day and it absolutely made the sound of my old rig. It wasn't the most versatile but it was great at what it did.
For more recent pedals, The Metalzone pedal is the most popular item at my favourite music store, and it seems to do modern metal really well. I haven't played it myself and so can't vouch beyond there.
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I dont endorse HBE (as my bedroom is my stage) but I wholeheartedly recommend the Big D - in fact I wouldn't bother looking anywhere else as it gives you all you want in one snazzy box. Get one, you won't regret it.
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I had a Line 6 Ubermetal for a while and before it cr@pped out it was an amazing pedal. Unfortunately it developed a fault which made it sound like there was a light phaser going on in the background. But it was an awesome pedal up until then. I plan on buying another when I get a good amp. I tried it with an Engl in the shop. Result - the best metal tone I've ever heard.
-Danny :)
explain to me again why you needed to run an uber metal through an engl? unless it was the classic tube engl model...
anyway, threadstarter- what exact amp do you have? if you have a tube amp, you may be better off with an overdrive or lighter distortion pedal to boost the OD that's already there...
I wouldn't recommend the crybaby- sounds very thin. I haven't tried any decent wahs, but i've heard good things about buddas, although they're meant to sound like "wow" rather than "wah".
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Thanks for all the replies i'll check those badboys out.
One of my mates has a Boss MT-2 and says its pretty decent. Anyone had any experience / know anything about it?
it's not great for anything other than metal. It can also sound a bit thin.
I haven't tried it, but the keeley mod metal zone is meant to be good. That's probably the only "metal" distortion pedal i'd ever even think of buying (i'm not, i have an amp that can do metal, but if i were in your position...)
www.robertkeeley.co.uk
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dave_mc
i just have a small marhsall practice amp (solid state) which is great for all i need at the moment (anything louder and id have my ass kicked by my flat mates :p). The distortion on it is good but I want a slightly more metal distortion sometimes and the amps one doesnt cut it.
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Checked out the HBE Big D but sadly it was £165, a bit too expensive for me at the moment.
I was thinking more around the 50-70 bones range.
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Yeah, not a cheap solution, but a permanent one! :)
(By the way, as an off-topic aside, since the matter was brought up by dakine ... I pay for my pedals, amps, pickups, and guitars, just like everyone else. I have chosen certain alliances and affiliations because I love the product and will stand behind it 1,000%.)
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explain to me again why you needed to run an uber metal through an engl? unless it was the classic tube engl model...
It gave godly metal tones at bedroom levels.
But it still cr@pped out!
How can you recommend a pedal that doesn't work?
It did, but I'm thinking I just got a bad one. A mate of mine has one and has never had any problems with it. I should have explained that a bit better :).
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explain to me again why you needed to run an uber metal through an engl? unless it was the classic tube engl model...
It gave godly metal tones at bedroom levels.
ah, ok, fair enough.
I thought the engls give awesome metal tones at any volume level. (i own one).
But yeah, it's fair to say my practice volume is a little louder than bedroom practice.
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<----- JOEL
that check has now been cancelled TO :evil:
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<----- JOEL
that check has now been cancelled TO :evil:
He still might buy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://www.robertkeeley.co.uk/distort_mt2.htm
s'wat indy would go for...
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<----- Michael Fuller, hey TO, c'mere, got some nice pedals to try hehehehe :twisted:
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<----- Michael Fuller, hey TO, c'mere, got some nice pedals to try hehehehe :twisted:
HA! I used to be a biiig Fulltone user. But, that's another story ...
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I like the Keeley DS-1 Ultra. 8)
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The Keeleys do look good, but i'm afraid they are rather expensive - all coming in at least the price of what could be another BKP 8) .
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Dunno about overdrive/distortion for metal tones (though I used to dig my old Boss HM-2) ....
But as for wahs, I think both yet basic stock Dunlop and Vox models sound perfectly OK. I wouldn't go cheaper than them, at least, since they're reasonably solid kit and there are any number of mod specialists who can easily upgrade them for you with things like true bypass and stuff. I recently got a stock Vox JH-1 wah, and it's just fine. If I were buying a new Dunlop, eh, I'd try to shoot for the 535Q, but you can always get someone to mod a stock Crybaby to do basically the same thing later on down the road. People argue about the tones on these all the time, and your individual mileage may vary, I suppose, but I think a lot of the reviews you can read on somewhere like HC are just posing (surprise! ;)).
Which is not to say that you can't get a better wah than a stock Dunlop or Vox! I mean, I'd love to get a Teese Wizard Wah (if you hadn't guessed, I'm a bit of a wah junkie 8)), but that bit of budgeting is still a little ways down the road! Still, you can probably get a stock wah hot-rodded to something like that spec by Stuart Castledine (http://www.wah-wah.co.uk/) in the UK.
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i can vouch for the Line 6 Uber metal too..... i love it personally... but my band has other ideas so its barely used apart from my occasional home practice...
selling it if either crispsandwich or threadstarter dude whoever you are is interested....?
oh and my vox clyde McCoy is up for sale too :cry: (not an original- the re-issue).... i need the cash and like the Line 6 i hardly use it except for mucking about.... great pedal though....
i put this in the seconds out a while ago i'll bump it if you like
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The Keeleys do look good, but i'm afraid they are rather expensive - all coming in at least the price of what could be another BKP 8) .
The hardest thing to do is to wait for what you want, but perhaps you'd be best served by saving up for a one-time purchase instead of spending 2x-3x in the long run.
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I too have the Big D and agree with TO that it is an awesome pedal for most metal. But to me the term "metal" has a different meaning
to each person and there are also a lot of different metal genres. What are some bands your into?
The Big D for me can basically cover a lot of metal but to me not the balls to the walls heavy chugga chugga chugga metal. The kind of metal
someone would want out of a Boss MT-2. The Boss MT-2 is a great over the top balls to the wall metal, but has some harsh mids and to me is
not good in a "band" scenario. If your just going to practice at home and want a real cheap pedal you can get off ebay go for the MT-2. Its great
for that purpose and to me no pedal can come close for that kind of scenario.
Now if your looking for an MT-2 that does not have the harsh mids and is great in a "band" situation, I would recommend the Pro Tone Body Rot
# 2. It was just released and is a jump up from the Body Rot # 1. I received a prototype from Dennis "the builder" and have to say it is a great balls to the walls chugga chugga chugga pedal. "Please note: I also am equipped with a warpig"
Testing it I did notice that the volume knob needed adjusting since I have to be 3/4 the way up to be in unity with the amp volume. Dennis is working on a fix. But the distortion I get is amazing to me. Great heavy distortion and single notes are perfect. No mush like you will get with the MT-2 and it is quiet and true bypass.
Please also note: If your a pedal peek and would have an issue with plastic input jacks do not buy this pedal. They are the same that Analogman uses them in many of his pedals, but some people might have an issue anyway. I find nothing wrong with them at all. thanks!!
http://www.protonepedals.com/index.shtml
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P.S. = The Body Rot is not very versatile. It was made for heavy chugging. That is about it.
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Just heard the clips of the Body Rot. Me like. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Shag101
The kind of metal i'm into ranges from Metallica to Slayer, Opeth, Pantera, etc. Not so much 80's stuff (apart from Iron Maiden and Anthrax). Any advice?
Cheers
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Digitech have just released a wah modeler with distortion, wammy pedal and few other goodies. Looks pretty cool.
http://www.digitech.com/products/EX7/index.htm
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Shag101
The kind of metal i'm into ranges from Metallica to Slayer, Opeth, Pantera, etc. Not so much 80's stuff
Well 3 out of 4 are 80's bands... :?
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not just 80s bands though..... they didnt write all of their material in the 80s
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not just 80s bands though..... they didnt write all of their material in the 80s
yeah but all material after the 80s sucked, lol
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Well, basically not purely 80's stuff. Slightly more modern stuff and thrash. I want a beefy metal sound. :twisted:
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*cough* line 6 uber metal *cough*
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The Boss MT-2 and the Body Rot could do the bands you mentioned but you would be stuck in that genre. For me, I basically went through many single pedals and for my taste, I have the body rot for the heavy chugga chugga sound and the Big D for everything else. My amp is a fender hot rod deluxe so I need a pedal to get any kind of usable distortion.
As for a wah pedal..I need to get some money together myself and buy the Wizard Wah. The guy is pretty backed up with requests, so if you do decide to get this one, you'll have a wait. But it is worth it. It is a great wah. Excellent for high gain.
http://www.realmccoycustom.com/WIZARDWAH.htm
The main question you have to ask yourself is, what are you looking to do? If your looking to just have fun and maybe jam a couple times with friends a multi-effects pedal might fit your needs better. They are great for playing in the house and jamming with friends. If you looking to get serious and perfect a sound to call your own then you'll have a mission ahead of you trying out single pedals...lol..
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b0ng0, your a man after my own heart! We have similar tastes. I first went for a digitech Death metal pedal. You can get them dirt cheap and have such a damn tasty crunch to em. I recently ditched mine though. Its not versatile in the slightest (no gain knob!), and my lead guitar just sounded messy when playing with friends. Its great for the price, and served me nicely to practice for a good year or so, but ive taken a shine to a much cleaner sound.
HOWEVER
I just bought a Line 6 Uber Metal, and it is SWEET. got it for £70 including P&P from guitarampkeyboard. Its really versatile and you can get all sorts of great sounds from it, and it can pretty much mimic my death metal pedal anyway. Its also got a noise gate, which is handy at high gain and such, and good for chunky powerchord grinding. Takes some fiddling to get the right sound from it, but im not overly experienced with these things and i had a great sound after 10 or so mins of playing around.
P.S. GAK's service isnt so great, the postage was poor, my pedal, along with another came loose in a sack and both had damaged packaging. I told them how pissed off i was but didnt get an apology. Just an offer for me to send it back and that they would compensate me with "goodies" for the postage back :roll: Plenty of sites do the Uber Metal at a good price though, its just a case of looking around.
Hope i helped
Petre
[EDIT] cr@p i forgot to mention. As for a wah pedal im going to get an ibanez weeping demon when i get paid. Apparently its really versatile so im just gonna go for it. Just going on online reviews here, apparently its good. Ill have to get back to you on that one!
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fwiw, I had (and gigged) a Teese RMC3 wah for around 4 years but sold it when I got Stuart Castledine's wah - it has more of that 'croak' I hear in Hendrix's wah tone and that sold it for my money. I sold the RMC3 btw.
:twisted:
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I'm a pure-amp-distortion kinda guy, but one pedal made quite an impression when I was looking for my sound. Visual Sound Jekyll & Hyde, very versatile and great sounding piece of gear.
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fwiw, I had (and gigged) a Teese RMC3 wah for around 4 years but sold it when I got Stuart Castledine's wah - it has more of that 'croak' I hear in Hendrix's wah tone and that sold it for my money. I sold the RMC3 btw. :twisted:
I definitely gotta arrange to send him my old Thomas Organ Crybaby for a refitting!