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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: sambo on April 15, 2006, 06:50:51 PM
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went to "professional music technology" today... music shop (heavily guitar-based) in northampton.... pretty cool...
tried the GT-8 again and my drummers bro was trying some amps.... in particular, a couple of the VOXAD50 thingymajigs..... we were blown away!!!!! really great sound.... then we asked the price.... guy came back and told us £219!!!!! i thought that was a great price for such a cool-sounding amp.... (this version was black with a silver grill)
then there was another slightly more programmable one (still a valvetronix AD40 though) which was more typical vox appearance.- cloth grill e.t.c..... and it was £429... and apparently thats the older version!?!?!?!
anyway.... two questions...
one- are there any major advantages between the two valvetronix AD50 models- old and new...
two- how would a high-end valvetronix amp compare to a valve combo up to the value of like £500....? for example ill say an ENGL thunder 50 combo.... how would a valvtronix compare to that? and any other amps in a similar price range to the VOX and ENGL....
i know the best thing to do is try, and i will.. when i can... but jsut wondered if anyone had compared the VOX modelling amps to valve amps and had an opinion on a specific case... not just "well valve amps are better so there"
thanks in advance...
any info appreciated....
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^well, i haven't tried either of those, but going by what i hear...
the ad60vt, the dearer one, has a lot better models, and more of them, and is better at metal tones (the 15/30/50/100 are supposedly great for classic and vintage sounds, but not so hot on metal tones). So if you can afford it, it's the one to go for. Of course, at that price, there are valve amps you could get...
I'd assume the difference between the valvetronix is that it'll do loads of tones well, while a valve amp will do 2 or 3 tones very well. And if you can crank it (in your band, for example) the valve amp will outperform the valvetronix as well...
up to you really- you need to try them head to head, and if you have a band (don't you?) you'd ideally want to try them both cranked up full blast as well...
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cool thanks for the info + advice dave.... will try and locate a 60...
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Ha! Told ya the Valvetronix amps are good. :)
What Dave says is pretty much right though. I still do prefer a good tube amp to the valvetronix ones, but then I'm not comparing apples with apples either; I'm talking about $1000+ valve amps. I haven't A/B-ed a cheap valve amp with a valvetronix of about the same cost.
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oh yeah.... you did mark...... see i follow your advice... thats what led me to the vox.... :roll: :lol:
anyway... hmmmmm..... like i said this is for my drummers bro... but still.... i did really like the vox myself.... serious thinking will take place...
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Ha! Told ya the Valvetronix amps are good. :)
What Dave says is pretty much right though. I still do prefer a good tube amp to the valvetronix ones, but then I'm not comparing apples with apples either; I'm talking about $1000+ valve amps. I haven't A/B-ed a cheap valve amp with a valvetronix of about the same cost.
yeah, +1 on the expensive valve amps thingy too- i tried a marshall dsl401 the other day, and I wasn't overly impressed, I have to admit. didn't get to crank it, so I assume it'd sound better turned up, but, yeah...
that being said, if you can get yourself up to engl screamer/laney tt50 kind of cash (£600-£800) sambo, valve amps start to get awesome pretty quickly, lol.
but yeah, unfortunately at the moment sambo (and i'ts not your fault, i know how hard it is to get to try all the amps you want to in the one place) you're trying all of these things on their own- you need to get to try a valvetronix next to a screamer, for example.
that being said, if you WERE to go for the valvetronix, assuming you wouldn't be using it to gig, i'd probably go for the 15 watter, since it's around £100- that way you haven't wasted much cash on it if you do decide to go for a dearer valve amp later, and either way you have a pretty nifty little practice amp. Of course, if you want one to gig with....
back to square one, lol- modelling or valve!
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kool thanks dave mate....
i think i am gonna need an amp suitable for gigging cause we've just got our singer.... and will probly be looking for gigs soon.....
having said that.... our drummers dad (who doesnt really care about ANYTHING i dont think) wants to buy us a 1600 watt PA system.... :? :o
so if that happens.... im not gonna need a massive valve amp or anything.... cause i can put the amp through the PA....... thats yet another thing to think about... :?
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^true- it's ironic that by that stroke of good luck, it actually makes your choice harder, lol.
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kool thanks dave mate....
i think i am gonna need an amp suitable for gigging cause we've just got our singer.... and will probly be looking for gigs soon.....
having said that.... our drummers dad (who doesnt really care about ANYTHING i dont think) wants to buy us a 1600 watt PA system.... :? :o
so if that happens.... im not gonna need a massive valve amp or anything.... cause i can put the amp through the PA....... thats yet another thing to think about... :?
Epiphone valve junior it is.. Or one of the smaller Valvetronix combos if thats what your into.
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If you can go for the 50 watt + and not the 15 or the 30. With the 50 + you get a speaker out (so you can run it into a 4 x 12) and a celestion built in.
I have the 30 and its not loud enough to compete with a drummer, it also has no speaker out.
I put a celestion G10Vintage in it, and that made it sound like it cost £100 more, so the speaker does make difference.
Also test all ADVTs as there are reliability problems (mine went back to Korg for 4 months!)
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ah cool... thanks elliot mate...
have you got any other amps then? if so, which ones, and hwo do they compare?
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See Sambo, haven't I told you, Valvetronix (=my Tonelab) rulez !
:P
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haha true, true...
BUT..... what do i need to play the tonelab through to replicate the valvetronix sound? cause it sounded nothing like the valvetronix through the headphones i used it with.. not that i can remember anyway...
would i get the same sounds as valvetronix if i used the tonelab through a guitar amp? or would it be best through full-range speakers? i.e, PA or keyboard amp? or whatever...
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well, it's the same technology, Tonelab is Valvetronix too. What makes the difference is the tube that's pushed as a virtual poweramp. With an ADXXVT you'll not go any wrong, these amps are keepers.
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VT? whats the VT part...... im confused... :lol: :?
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^i think vt stands for "ValveTronix".
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I have an old (first series) Fender Blues Deville which is too loud to play in my gaff, a Session Rockette 30 and a Guitarport - I would say that the AD30VT stands up pretty well with the added Celestion - it lacks the digi sounds of the Line 6 (I like the Line 6 sounds, I might add) and has a good range.
It doesn't have the 'alive' character of the Fender or the spank of the Session but all amps are different and the Vox can go from a near enough Fender Twin sound to a Soldano sound in a flick of switch. So, in terms of modelling, its not that bad.
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ahhh cool thanks elliot....
oh yeah dave lol.... i dont remember seein the VT on ones i looked at though... :oops:
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The amps are called AD30/60VT, VT is for Valvetronix, nevermind:)
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ops that had been answered before ... ehhh ... good morning :D
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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well, i tried a roland microcube yesterday, and while great for the price (£69!), i wouldn't take it over an engl screamer, whether at low or high volumes... (obviously assuming you have the cash in hand for a screamer, lol, don't go without food or something daft to get one, lol).
still haven't tried the valvetronixes... :(
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haha you need to try em!... TRY EM NOW!
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I dunno, what happens if it beats my engl?
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I dunno, what happens if it beats my engl?
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sell it, get 3 or 4 VTs instead, :P
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I dunno, what happens if it beats my engl?
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sell it, get 3 or 4 VTs instead, :P
that's an idea!
no.
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HAHA!!!
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guitarist eview the head/cab version recently, and i think it got 4 stars or something... although as everyone keeps saying now reviews should be taken lightly... but i mean, i liked the 50 watt, and what guitarist said seemed to match with what me and our drummers bro thought.... dunno, could be a serious option...
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^yes, reviews are actually quite useful- but you have to know how to read them, as I've posted before. Also, if they point out a good or bad point, if gives you something to test when trying it out.
:D
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yer thats true...
does that wembley place do ashdowns?
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^ i think they might actually, but I don't think they had any fallen angels when i was in last, or i'd have tried one, lol. Worth checking though...
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yer kool i think i will..
yer i was looking at the fallen angels.... hmmmmm