Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: ibanez4life SZ on April 17, 2006, 05:24:21 PM
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Hey guys!
So, within the last 6 months, I've been slowly building my pedalbaord, and it is doing very well so far! I already have a wah, overdrive, and noise gate that I am very happy with! I'm hoping to slowly build THE perfect pedal board, and I have found two more pedals that I would like to add into the mix: a pedal tuner, and a delay pedal.
Keep one thing in mind though....I'm a tone freak, my amp is a Mesa Dual recto, so I want to keep my tone intact.
1. With pedal tuners, I have stumbled upon two choices:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=210064
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Guitar/Effects?sku=210054
As both are true bypass, and I don't need all the additional features of the peterson, I'm thinking of going with the planet waves. All I need the pedal to do is tune conviniently. I'm done with unplugging my guitar and going to my little tuner on the side.
2. The delay pedal.....I have looked at the Boss DD-3, DD-6, line 6 echo park, line 6 delay modular, and a few other more expensive units (EH, H&K, etc.) As the pedal will be in the loop, and only able to switch in and out with my recto fx switch, I will not have control of the pedal itself with my foot....I will make one good setting, and go with that.
My main question is, as the pedal itself is in the loop, is true bypass necessary in this situation? I obviously want it to effect my tone when it is switch in, but when I turn the fx loop off, will it effect my original tone at all? They way I see it, when turning the fx loop off (with footswitch), my original tone should come back, so true bypass doesn't seem to be necessary. Opinions please!
3. Powering: Right now, my pedalboard is powered by a daisy chained morley 9V adapter.....I will have to get one more daisy chain, or rearrange my pedal board for better spacing, to power the tuner. Will this still work, or am I running short on power? I think it will be fine, but I just want to check!
For the pedal pedal, I will just get another 9V, or use the radioshack one I have lying around, to power it by itself.....I will have two nice volt adapters and my recto plugged into one power strip....any power problem you see there? Idk, hum produced or something....just throwing this out to be sure, though I think it is a pretty stupid question.
4. Cables for the loop:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/General/Accessories/Cables?sku=336001
Pricey, but I want to keep the quality going through my rig.....good idea, or not worth it in the loop?
Thanks alot for all the help guys!
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OMG, the TRUE-BYPASS issue lol.
First, Boss DD, great delay.
Tuner, open to my mind.
As for bypass (seeing as you are building up your board) this may be worth a read :)
http://www.petecornish.co.uk/case_against_true_bypass.html
And, BTW, before T.O. chimes in, ya got a HBE Big D???? If not ya not rocking :)
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Good article....that's alot!
Do you think this will be a big problem with 4 pedals? If so, where can I look for one of the high impedance buffer loads.....
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Sorry to double post, but from what I know, either my wah pedal or Keeley modded SD-1 are completely 100% true bypass, but they do it well enough where I can see no difference in my tone.....
So, will it be a problem (in reference to the article)?
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BIG problem, nah, just another take on things when most people rave about tru bypass is all.
A buddy of mine (years ago in UK) started working for a company make VERY high end stereo cabling. Bascally (long story short) he would say "listen to this" with a 3,000 gbp cd player and his leads (and this was years ago) and I would say "ask the cat, my hearing aint THAT good" :)
Just my opinion.
Losing that much tone would not be so easy in my opinion, studio recording is one thing but playing/live/jamming/pub-bar rocking, nah.
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Maybe Voodoo Power would be a better buy in long run to power ALL your pedals from one source (or similar multi supply).
Thus keeping the power even and not coming from different outlets.
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Alright! Thanks alot!
Any more opinions of the pedals themselves? How about the delay and fx loop dilemna? Powering, and problems there?
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All your links just took me to MF's home page. Is it just me? Maybe my browser doesn't like them for some reason.
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I too am taken to MF home page.
I personally like the Boss TU-2 tuner, but dunno your choices there.
As for Delay, if you are looking at the Line 6 delay modular I would look at the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay.
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Ok, redid the links, they should all be working now.....if not, I was looking at the planet waves and peterson pedal tuners.
For the delay, both the line 6 modular and boss giga delay look pretty nice, but since the pedal is going to be in the loop (behind the amp, not at my feet), there really is no point for me to have so many options. I want to keep it simple, just have one nice delay setting, and switch it in and out with my recto footswitch. Which would you recommend for that?
Do you think the power supply is a big issue? Eventually, I will get a better supply, but at the moment, do you think the two 9V adapters would get me by?
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Two power supplies should be fine.
Don't take this the wrong way :) but think yous r being abit too anal/critical.
A single power supply would be neater and "should" be better at supply exactly same volts/amps/Hz at once is all.
As for tuners, that Peterson one is way OTT to me and I am not a lover of planet waves stuff. To see it clearly etc. why not look at the Fender or the Boss TU-2 (which has good rating and spec.s and is cheaper).
As for delay, just go for summit basic that works for ya :)
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for the cash you are looking at, maybe one of these :)
http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-Major
Had similar years ago when playing Bass and loved it.
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I know I'm being anal.....no offense taken.....I just want to get as much info on the topic as possible....this always happens when I'm looking into new gear.
With the tuners, the planet waves one is new, so I can't find any reviews on it. It seems to be pretty good for the price, so I may give it a shot. Boss pedals are horrible tone sucks....they really bother me.
The peterson is definitely the best choice, but I think I might be able to get through with the planet waves for less that half the money.
Have you personally tried the fender or boss? I haven't tried them myself....just going off my experience with other boss pedals.
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have the Boss yes and had no issues myself.
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Hey man! I love BOSS pedals...in fact, the only one I didn't like that I've owned (i've owned 6) is the Metal Zone...But I hate stomp box distortion...So fizzy compared to a good tube amp. I would definitely recommend the Boss DD-3 and DD-6. Both EXCELLENT DELAYS. They just sound great with a high gain solo sound or smooth clean. DD-6 has way more options and in my opinion is the way to go, so as far as overall quality goes, Boss is tough to beat.
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I've definitely considered the TC.....great unit, but I would also need a midi switcher for it.....
All together, that would easily come out to over $600, and I'm really not that much of an effects guy. I need the tuner, and I want the delay for a little more ambience on solos and lead work. I think I would prefer to keep it simple, and only spend $200-300 on what I need.
Do you have experience with the G-major? Is it really worth it?
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If you're worried about your tone in respects to tuners, split ur signal, one ine tuner and one into pedal board. I do it with an ernie ball volume pedal, which is good so i can still tune silently. Otherwise, the Boss Tu-2 is great, the Korg DT-10 is very very good.
Delay wise, i personally use a TC electronics Vintage delay, which is superb. Very clear and very nice. if u are only goin to be using it in the fx loop why cant u change the delay sound? are u not having the delay near to u or something? its just that tap tempo is a great feature to have. Of course the boss delays are fantastic, so you'll have to test everything out as much as possible.
I also use a Voodoo lab pedal power 2, great power supply with 8 outputs, i use all but 1 and have 2 etc power supplies for my whammy and delay (coz the cant be used with the PP2).
I hope ive been some help
Joe
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I'm not worrying about it that much, I just want to make sure I get a good pedal!
To tell you the truth, I think I'm going to go with the planet waves.
Quick question about the tuners.....they have two outpus, one will continue my signal, and can I leave the other one empty for silent tuning, or do I have to plug something into there? Will leaving the second one empty harm my gear in any way?
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A single power supply would be neater and "should" be better at supply exactly same volts/amps/Hz at once is all.
I've heard some people say that using the same power supply for stuff in front and in the loop can introduce noise (a "ground loop"? I'm not too well up on the technical jargon, lol). No personal experience myself, but worth bearing in mind/testing it out to see if it does it with your rig, ibanez!
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I meant for pedals on board in same part of loop, i.e. "grouping" of systems as it where. Breaking down the whole chain (guitar) (pedals) (amp) etc. has always been best way I have gone about it :)
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^ah, ok, fair enough nick!
:D
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Sounds good guys!
I was also just showed this by someone
http://www.pedalboardjunction.com/
How does that look? Would it keep my original tone intact?
The only problem that I see is that I would then also need to use batteries for my korg tuner, and I just hate batteries.....I think the planet waves will be worth the $30 extra!
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I dont know if anyones recommended this yet.. but I got a Korg DT 10 a while ago and its awesome. True bypass and tunes accurately enough, easy to use aswell.
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One thing I thought I should mention...I want a slightly shorter delay....one that would beefen up my tone a bit for some faster licks and solo runs.....a long delay is also good, but the shorter is a little more important!
And about the DT-10....I've looked at it, it is not true bypass though....I'm assuming you're happy with it and hear no tone sucking with it?
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I swear it used to say on the site that it was true bypass.. anyway it doesnt suck tone AT ALL, so I'll still recommend it!