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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: cdondoros on May 25, 2020, 09:16:09 PM

Title: Music Man JP-7 neck routing won't fit Black Hawk 7 - what can I do?
Post by: cdondoros on May 25, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
Hi all.

Upon the recommendations of some of the folks on this forum, I have as set of Black Hawk 7's on the way for my Music Man JP-7, but I have a bit of a problem: the Black Hawk 7 is around two millimeters too thick to fit in the guitar's neck position.

In these particular models, the neck pickup cavity - where the pickup ears screw in to the body - is much more short than the bridge, only accommodating John Petrucci's signature line of pickups. From experience, pickups with a depth of 16.6 mm will fit, but NOT your standard-sized Duncan/DiMarzio humbuckers, which typically have a depth of around 18.4 mm.

The Black Hawk 7 is 18.2 mm deep, so I'm in for a fight with this guitar. I don't want to take the time or spend the money to bring it to a tech; the pandemic is still bad where we live that it's a cr@pshoot knowing when anything will be ready. I also am not a fan of buying a router for $100 and using it once or twice, so I'm trying to avoid going that route.

Anybody have tips or experience in a similar situation? Does BKP or any other company make base plates that are flat (as opposed to the 3 mm gap between BKP base plates and where the pickup screws into the body)? Does anybody recommend tampering with the pickup to flatten the metal and create a more flat surface?

Appreciate any advice!
Title: Re: Music Man JP-7 neck routing won't fit Black Hawk 7 - what can I do?
Post by: Dave Sloven on May 26, 2020, 05:58:37 AM
I have a six string Black Hawk neck pickup in a cavity that was made without the side leg cavities.  I can get it flat with the pickguard after making a couple of small holes either side (I calculated how much wood I had there first) using a Tamiya Handy Drill and Handy Router. You could use something else if it is controllable (some Dremels etc are a bit powerful and fast, these just run on AA batteries).

I'll find some photos and post them.  The cavity is pretty shallow, so maybe it will help.
Title: Re: Music Man JP-7 neck routing won't fit Black Hawk 7 - what can I do?
Post by: Dave Sloven on May 26, 2020, 06:11:30 AM
Okay, here they are.

Before mods:

(https://i.imgur.com/GICKEQl.jpg)

Humbucker cavity routed in:

(https://i.imgur.com/0a1ViFV.jpg)

Bridge cavity modified to fit Gotoh GE1996T tremolo and then painted:

(https://i.imgur.com/GuMwupX.jpg)

Later modified when fitting Black Hawks and new pickguard to fit microtoggles of coil split on each pickup:

(https://i.imgur.com/hEMJzyh.jpg)

Here you see where the height adjustment screws were hitting the bottom, causing the pickup to tilt:

(https://i.imgur.com/szLnOaq.jpg)

First of all I drilled the holes deeper with the Handy Drill so that the screws went down into them a bit:

(https://i.imgur.com/UrGDtN6.jpg)

Then I opened those up a bit with the ball router bit that comes in the Handy Router:

(https://i.imgur.com/i0d2V9M.jpg)

As you can see here this allowed me to drop the pickup right down to sit on its legs square.  I don't actually have the pickup this low.

(https://i.imgur.com/2fhXoVv.jpg)

You will still need to cut some length off of the screws if they are full length.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Music Man JP-7 neck routing won't fit Black Hawk 7 - what can I do?
Post by: cdondoros on May 26, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Thanks for all of the pics, Dave!

I've been doing some research today and the options seem to be either shaving ~2mm of wood on each side of the pickup (where the mounting ear meets the wood) or replace the base plate - I reached out to Tim at BKP and he mentioned it might be possible using a flat soapbar mounting plate.

Not sure which way I'm going to go with it yet as I'm waiting to hear back from Tim.

Incidentally, Tim also recommended a C-Bomb/Cold Sweat combo for this particular axe...