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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: chrisola on May 03, 2006, 08:32:40 PM
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http://www.deanguitars.com/angelo/mab_videos/
Holy Sh!t!!!
Live performance with his twin neck Dean... lots of over and under shred, updside down sweeps, and a few minutes of him harmonising with himself.. one hand playing each neck (finger strenght ++++)
Yeah, alot of it isnt that 'musical' and the such, but its DAMN impressive... 5 mins of non stop 2 hand legato runs???
Oh, and at the end he has a go at the riff from Crazy Train.. two handed style :P
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I thought it was bad at work today, but that was just torture - boring!!! :roll:
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hahaa...
yer ive seen this guy before... its just ridiculous... hes such a gimp though...
by the way chris... nice avatar. :D
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he was at Music Live last year. Pretty impressive to see - but it sure gets old quick - as with most gimmicks
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Haha very cool thanks for the link
To you guys dissing Angelo, sure he uses tricks they're his trademarks but hes one of the best any many are jealous of him. I've never met a more down to earth musician in my life and I have met loads, big respect!
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I've never met a more down to earth musician in my life and I have met loads, big respect!
Ah, but is it really a good thing to be a down to earth musician? :?
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Heres another clip... this one from before 'studio magic' is applied :lol: :lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpbpbaN0a5s
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It's all very clever but it leaves me so totally cold (jeez he makes Vai sound soulful).
Yeah I wish I had the technical ability, but nobodys gonna remember it or try to hum (or otherwise verbalise) it, they way every guitarist (and non guitarist) tries to with Hendrix, older Clapton stuff or even dare I say it earlier Van Halen stuff. It really makes me realise how much I miss going to see Rory Gallagher gigs :(
Hey it must be jazz Iv'e played lots of notes really fast but they mean nothing to me.
Nope not for me I'm afraid.
Heres another clip... this one from before 'studio magic' is applied :lol: :lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpbpbaN0a5s
Hey he sounds just like me, where can I get one of those studio thingies ?
Rob...
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I listen to many fast players but guys like ma are just well and truely stuck in shred and dont impress me in the slightest. Its the players that can use scary technique for a purpose in the tune that are amazing.
Satch, Vai (cant believe some1 said ma makes vai look soufull.....Vai is a hugely emotional guitar player), Govan, Garsed, Balducci, Lane, Timmons etc etc Are all examples of guys way beyond shred.
I mean sure i would love such clean and comprehensive technique but the way it is used by ma doesnt do a thing for me i gota say and its the way that its used thats of the most importance.
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Heres another clip... this one from before 'studio magic' is applied :lol: :lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpbpbaN0a5s
HA, that's great :D :lol:
As regards the original video, it's technically impressive yeah but it bored me rigid after a minute or so.
He must have some major compression on his guitar sound because everything he played, no matter how he was playing it (picked, legato etc) was always at the same volume level :roll: :wink:
Also, did his facial expressions remind anyone else of Nigel Tuffnel? :wink: :lol:
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philistines, check out "2x again" a very melodic song which I always reccomend to uneducated angelo critics. Hes famous for the uber speed stuff and people write him off on seeing a small sample, guitarists are so judgemental and elitist.
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Ive been played various ma stuff and sure some of it has melodic elements (and so it should do) but i feel no soul at all in any of it. Theres nothing elitist about it. Its just my opinion on his music.
Infact there are plenty of melodic ideas and some of them very interesting and good but its the execution of them that feels very cold to me. But again thats total opinion. If you feel its very emotional then thats cool but my view is it sounds very very robotic and thats not helped by the tone either.
If hes loving what he does and people are loving listening to it then great but my view on it to my taste is what ive said.
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Satch, Vai (cant believe some1 said ma makes vai look soufull.....Vai is a hugely emotional guitar player), Govan, Garsed, Balducci, Lane, Timmons etc etc Are all examples of guys way beyond shred.
I said it, Vai does indeed have emotion (on occasions) but for a while he was very guilty of relying on technique over feeling (though he seems to be rectifying that these days)
To me soul means more than just emotion, but then I am currently in a chicago blues & Robert Johnston so perhaps I'm getting too much emotion in my diet at the minute.
I have to admit I loke Govans playing a lot (he sounds like a guitarist not a robot)
Rob...
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Yeh i would agree. Vai is the only guy i listed there who i feel overplays (or used to overplay) and go into the relms of being a shred guitar player. But at the same time the feel and soul he can have in his playing is up there with anyone.
Govan technique wise is just scary but thats not the thing that impresses me most. Hes just got so much feel and musical range, amazing player.
Soul means getting what you feel right into what you play imo....same thing as getting your emotions out and expressing yourself with the instrument. Its all very subjective tho.
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Pah! Old hat! My grandad used to have a 4 necked steam powered banjo that he played with his hands and feet whilst head butting a snare drum!
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I remember him Johnny- didn't he used to busk the underground. His version of the Bay City Rollers "Shang a Lang" was something else.
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That second clip was hilarious, truely inspired - I got much more entertainment out of it than the 'proper' MA clip.
Vai is something else completely, you can't just say he's shred - 'For The Love Of God' is hugely emotional, he's an example of a player who really does throw himself into his playing.
Passion & Warfare is the one album from that whole period that still stands up for me - Satch sounds pretty dated, though still amazing technique all the same.
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I think satchs early cd's sound dated for the tone thats for sure but the music is amazing (well for the most part lol) when played live now. Love the stuff from the extremist onwards. Some of the best instrumental music ever imo.
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I remember him Johnny- didn't he used to busk the underground. His version of the Bay City Rollers "Shang a Lang" was something else.
That's him Mr 38th! Cracking stuff! :lol:
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GAHAHAHA! The MA one with the terrible playing dubbed over is priceless.. wait.. terrible playing.. that phrase doesnt really help me distinguish between the the "fake" one from the "real" one :lol:
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I prefer the stuff Vai did with his triple-neck at G3 the other year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2EokjFIE5g&search=steve%20vai%20triple%20neck
:)
Muttley
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Some of Vai's work with that tripple neck is just wonderfull.
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Any seriously derogatory comments about players who could wipe the floor with most of us should be a little more carefully considered, gimmicks or not, to play to that level took some determination and commitment. (They probably got that way by playing instead of typing!)
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gimmicks or not, to play to that level took some determination and commitment. (They probably got that way by playing instead of typing!)
No dout.......
I have no arguments at all with the amazing amount of work that has gone into that but from an artistic stand point i do not enjoy it or find it in the slightest inspiring. The fact someone can "whipe the floor" with me as you put it makes no difference as it weather i say if i like what they do or not as a musician.
Im interested in art....not gimmicks (and im sorry playing something over the neck that can be played just the same normal is a gimmick no question) and im not interested in guitar playing as a physical exercise or contest so there is no good or bad in many ways its all about your view on the music and i find ma to be very very unispiring and lacking in emotion.... And i say that as my point of view on what he does musicaly and that doesnt affect the fact i can see how much work he has put in and just how dedicated he must be (and i applaud that also).
Again thats not to say i can do any better but it is my opinion on what i hear.
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I'm with stu_r regarding the subject.
Great coordination, speed, technique, control, but I have to ask the question why ? Does it lead anywhere apart from people going "Oooooh thats clever" If I want clever and interesting I will listen to Allan Holdsworth veering away from normality at very strange angles indeed.
If he had some listenable material that required that playing speed, two hands (and some feeling) I would be arsed, but so far enthusiasm is a no show in my case.
I guess I'm old and it's one of my faults.
Rob...
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Any seriously derogatory comments about players who could wipe the floor with most of us should be a little more carefully considered, gimmicks or not, to play to that level took some determination and commitment. (They probably got that way by playing instead of typing!)
im with don on this one all the way... and he didnt say we should all like that stuff... he just said we should consider any derogatory comments a bit more carefully...
even if i dont like the sound... just watching these amazing players do their stuff is fascinating for me... and i personally think its awesome.. ive heard a lot of comments about how non-musical all these guys are... and i think some people take it too far...
i can understand people saying they dont like the sound of the music... but calling it non-musical and basically slating it isnt on in my opinion...
oh and if its the passion/feeling people are debating, you only need to look into this Michael Angelos eyes and see that hes barely trying and it makes it look like he couldnt care less... but ive never been one to care for passions or feeling... if it sounds good, it sounds good... whether someone did an awesome shred solo whilst watchin TV or whether someone did a peaceful melodic number by putting all their heart into it... makes no difference to me
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Cheers Sam. Kilby and Stu R, you missed my point guys. :wink:
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Still not a patch on Johnny Mac's grandad.
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How did i miss your point??
He has great technique and i can have some respect for how much he has worked in that and i have considerd my comments very carefully indeed.
Whats more ive said many times that if you like it and find somthing in it you like thats great but to ME its cold and uninspireing....
Please explain your point if ive missed it.
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Yours was a very well put point and certainly not one I would wish to pass comment on, as was Kilbys. I was commenting more on some of the less objective points of views raised.
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Fast shredding is another way of expressing one's passion. It didn't inspire me to play but I wouldn't call it 'cold' at all, there was lots of emotion in there. I enjoyed it very much. :)
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Yours was a very well put point and certainly not one I would wish to pass comment on, as was Kilbys. I was commenting more on some of the less objective points of views raised.
I see. :) All good
Fast shredding is another way of expressing one's passion. It didn't inspire me to play but I wouldn't call it 'cold' at all, there was lots of emotion in there. I enjoyed it very much. :)
Well emotion in music is just so subjective. I feel nothing from what he plays but technical exercise overall (not everything but most). But its totaly personal. Some will see great emotion others see nothing. Its all good hehe.
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I love shredding but it's always better if it's used as part of a solo and not all of it and phrased in a way that it fits. I think Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are great at this, then if you listen to someone like Rusty Cooley its all shred and not much else. It always great to see and hear but less is more. But to get like that you have to practise it all the time and thats where i think some guys lose that balance.