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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Muttley on May 08, 2006, 02:11:17 PM
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I appear to have accidently bought a BBE Sonic Maximizer off eBay for £57.50.
Looks like I'll need that new rack case sooner rather than later. :lol:
Muttley
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how do you accidentally buy one?
:lol:
is it the pedal version or the rackmount one?
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Ha ha, good to see it happens to others. I accidentally bought something off ebay. I was not intending to bid but did in error and ended up buying a nano verb for £25.00. How we laughed.
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well, i "accidentaly" got a warpig yesterday :wink:
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hahaha my mate accidentally bid on a Laney head he cant even afford, quite funny when it happens :lol:
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how do you accidentally buy one?
:lol:
Why, with the amazing GAS powered credit card of course. ;)
is it the pedal version or the rackmount one?
Rackmount. :)
Muttley
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well, i "accidentaly" got a warpig yesterday :wink:
What a happy accident. :)
I'm a really clumsy bar-steward sometimes. ;)
Muttley
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^ ah, cool. How much does the pedal version go for new, anyone? Ditto the rackmount one.
Let us know what you think of it when you get it, muttley!
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^ ah, cool. How much does the pedal version go for new, anyone? Ditto the rackmount one.
Let us know what you think of it when you get it, muttley!
I believe the rack mount version (362) is about £100 new.
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^that's not too bad...
Am i right in thinking that it just makes everything sound a bit "better"? clearer, etc.?
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^that's not too bad...
Am i right in thinking that it just makes everything sound a bit "better"? clearer, etc.?
That's what I gather. I know Feline Jonathan has one in his rack and loves it. I just thought that if I could grab a 2nd hand one for about £50 it'd be worth trying just for the hell of it. :twisted:
Muttley
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Scott Ian from Anthrax swears by those. So what's it sound like Muttley?
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Scott Ian from Anthrax swears by those. So what's it sound like Muttley?
I have no idea until I plug it in. :D :lol:
Arrived this morning, but I probably won't get a chance to play with it until Thursday.
Muttley
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I have a BBE362NR looking for a home - I should stick it in Seconds out
Want about £60 for it.
The maximiser works well but there is something up with the noise gate - doesnt work for some reason
Had it running in the FX loop of my JCM800 and it did instant Zakk Wylde
IE- loads more crunch and harmonics flying out.
Stopped using it when I swapped it for one of my BBE 462s which wasn't needed in a rack anymore ( I now just have one rack system- even though it is a bit OTT with 6 different preamps etc)
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This arrived on Tuesday, but I've only had time to quickly throw it in the new rack case this lunchtime and have a quick play. It's really a quite remarkable little box from initial tests.
My current setup actually has quite a lot of clarity on it's own (or so I thought), being a Marshall JMP1 into a Marshall 9100 power-amp and then into a 1960A 4x12 loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s. With the Sonic Maximizer stuck between the JMP1 and 9100, and playing with the controls seems to remove an additional layer of mud I didn't even realise was there (if you see what I mean). The Lo Contour control seems to give your guitar an extra thump (especially when doing Palm-muted chugging) but it doesn't muddy things at all. The Process control opens up the top end quite a bit and can give a bit of sizzle on higher settings. I think this is where the much reported "turning it on is like removing a heavy blanket from your speaker cab" comes from, and it does sound just like that. :)
It's still early days though, and this is only a quick impression from 10mins playing at polite levels. I'll report back how it handles itself at rehearsal levels in a week or so.
Muttley
EDIT: Post topic changed so it's more obvious what this is about...
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^ ah cool, that's kind of what I heard it was like. I assume the pedal version does the same or a similar thing?
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^ ah cool, that's kind of what I heard it was like. I assume the pedal version does the same or a similar thing?
The same apparently. I'd assume you'd just stick it last in the chain in your FX loop. I think ideally it's meant to be the final thing before your sound hits the power amp.
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^ hmmm yeah. Thanks!
I'll check one out at some stage (more than likely meaning buy one without trying, since gear here sucks...)
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My new setup got a good workout at rehearsal the other day, and the difference with the Maximizer in the chain is like :o :D
I seem to have stumbled on to my ideal guitar sound. :D
I'm going to have to try and record this so you guy's can hear it, but I just can't crank the amp loud enough at home right now.
Muttley
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My new setup got a good workout at rehearsal the other day, and the difference with the Maximizer in the chain is like :o :D
I seem to have stumbled on to my ideal guitar sound. :D
I'm going to have to try and record this so you guy's can hear it, but I just can't crank the amp loud enough at home right now.
Muttley
cool. wholehearted thumbs up, then?
can you do a "before" and "after" clip?
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lol... EVH avatar :P been on the HC thread? Funniest thing i've seen in a long time!!
Anyway...
What exactly does this Sonic Maximiser do?
Is it like a gain boost\noise gate thingy?
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My new setup got a good workout at rehearsal the other day, and the difference with the Maximizer in the chain is like :o :D
I seem to have stumbled on to my ideal guitar sound. :D
I'm going to have to try and record this so you guy's can hear it, but I just can't crank the amp loud enough at home right now.
Muttley
cool. wholehearted thumbs up, then?
can you do a "before" and "after" clip?
:drink:
Yeah, the Maximizer has a bypass button, so I can definitely do that. :)
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What exactly does this Sonic Maximiser do?
Is it like a gain boost\noise gate thingy?
From the official website:
BBE High Definition Sound - What it is and what it does
All music that is amplified through a loudspeaker suffers some loss of fidelity - or subtle distortions - caused by the inherent characteristics of the loudspeaker itself. The BBE system addresses these problems by compensating for phase and amplitude distortions and, in effect, delivering the signal to the speaker in a form which allows it to reproduce the original live performance more fully and more faithfully.
Transients and Harmonics: The Color Codes of Sound
To understand how BBE sound processing technology works, consider the characteristics of a loudspeaker and what we expect from one. Among a loudspeaker's most important requirements is the ability to reproduce transients - the brief high-energy bursts at the beginning of sounds. The transients then evolve into harmonics. It is the particular amplitudes and phase relationships of these transients and harmonics which add the unique color and character to each sound.
Varying either the amplitude or the phase of the transients and harmonics within signal causes distortion of the sound's characteristics. By drastically altering the transient response of a sound, it's possible to make a cymbal crash seem like a car crash. Similarly, altering amplitude or phase relationships of the harmonics in a clarinet's tone can make it sound more like a flute, or a French horn like an oboe.
Amplitude and Phase
A loudspeaker's transient response is typically expressed in terms of amplitude response (how quickly it reacts to an incoming signal), with little or no regard to phase response (whether high and low frequencies are reproduced at the proper time). The ability to accurately represent a sound's phase and amplitude define the quality of a loudspeaker's transient and steady - state, or sustained, response.
If a loudspeaker's amplitude response curve were linear, then the relationship between the high and low frequencies would be correct. And if a loudspeaker's phase response curve were linear, then the low and high frequencies would reach the listener's ears in their correct time order. This would result in faithful reproduction of the sound. However, this isn't normally the case.
Why is live sound so pleasing?
When we listen to live music, all of the highs and lows reach our ears in the same relationship to each other as when they were created by the instruments. If this same live music were to be recorded and played back through a loudspeaker system, the loudspeaker would introduce frequency-dependent phase shifting. The inductance of the speaker's voice coil creates a stronger impedance as the signal's frequency increases, resulting in a time delay. Consequently, frequency components with large negative phase shifts (high frequencies) arrive at the listener's ear later than signals undergoing small phase shifts (low frequencies). The resultant signal is distorted in the time domain to the listener's ear. Audio material containing sharp transients (e.g., percussive and plucked sounds such as drums, guitar, piano and harpsichord, etc.) suffers the most from this phenomenon, making it seem unfocused, or mushy.
In order to address these problems inherent in basic loudspeaker design, BBE Sound, Inc. has developed a circuit that has two primary functions. The first adjusts the phase relationships of the low, mid and high frequencies. Since a loudspeaker's natural tendency is to add progressively longer delay times to higher frequencies, the BBE sound processing system adds progressively longer delay times to lower frequencies. This creates a kind of "mirror" curve to the time delay curve created by the speaker, neutralizing its phase distortion.
The second major element in the BBE system is the augmentation of the higher and lower frequencies. Loudspeakers tend to be less efficient in their extreme treble and bass ranges. Most sound-reproducing systems include a circuit for boosting high and low frequencies, showing an accepted awareness of the loudspeaker's efficiency problem. The BBE system, however, provides a dynamic, program-driven augmentation which combines with the phase compensation feature to restore the brilliance and clarity of the original live sound. The result is, as one professional journal phrased it, "The most hearable advance in audio technology since high fidelity itself!"
Or in Muttley speak, press the button to make it nicerer! ;)
Muttley
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I want the little one, the Sonic Stomp. It sounds like it could be a really interesting proposition.
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lol... EVH avatar :P been on the HC thread? Funniest thing i've seen in a long time!!
you know it, man!
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oh, and yeah, using the bypass button, that'd do the job, muttley, thanks!
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Interesting idea - I'd be interested in getting one for my Plexi's effects loop...
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aye me2, bainzy you live near bradford? i live just on the edge of bradford.
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Same here - I live in Bingley, which is what, 20 minutes away?