Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Drac on May 15, 2006, 06:04:08 PM
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Yeah-tube amps!
I collect 'em a little-
try stuff, keep what works for me, and sell off the rest.
I've been pining for a Nano Amp for some time...
wanted to get a custom paint job,
Drac style: BlackChassis, with spooky icons, and bloody red letters...
but got a email from ZVex himself stating that they don't do that- "random customs for dealers only"-Damn.
Had my eye on a new custom SHO gold NanoAmp for sale by a dealer in the states, and after hearing back from ZVEX,
I decided to take the plunge.
Will be posting soundclips when it arrives, rest assured!
I made some good friends with the guys at Wolftone Amps over the duration of LGS lastlast weekend
( two wknds ago, right?)-was actually introduced by Feline Jonathan...
Working on hooking the Wolftone guys up with some dealers in Scandinavia, and pondering either a dealership , or an acquisition myself...
Their amps are great! Handwired class A tube amps/cabs , made in England-
check out their website-
www.wolftone.co.uk
new amps!-WOOHOO!
- DRAC
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Drac, I too have been seduced by the Nano... mine should be arriving in a couple of days.
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what are you guys planning on using em for? just pure fun and maybe home-recording or something? am i right in saying theres no chance of em being used in a band situation? not at all?
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I don't even have the money to buy one let alone collect them!
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Sambo, bought mine for home recording and a bit of fun- I suppose you could mic it up in a live situation as they're seriously toneful.
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cool thanks dean... yer ive heard GREAT things about them, and they look cool too...
what sort of styles do they cover? im guessing nothing high-gain really?
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Sambo, Plexi Marshall-esque and Vox Ac30 depending on settings. See the clip below demo'ing the Nano- not brilliant quality but you get the idea...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=321746
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wow.... that sounds awesome... nice one mate. how much do they cost? a few hundred isnt it?
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Wow, it does sound awesome! I want one for a practise amp :D
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minimat?
it comes in red if you want it hehe
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The Wolftone is gigworthy-no doubt about that!
My favorite poweramp is a mesa 20x20, and that screams full hammer, driving two stacks, no problemos!-
With 20 watts, you can crank it enough to get shut down or arrested-
But you get into that power amp crankage tonezone where the amp is really alive-colosseum amps are dangerous at these levels, and These days yer lucky to be allowed to carry on so loud-
Last month We were in gigging with Boltthrower around Scandinavia, and in Sweden, there were cops with sound meters walking the floor in the venues to uphold the 100db volume level laws in the cities- at a Metal concert?!
The Nano is more for studio miking, demoing, and have a special
' ambient coffeshop deathmetal 'project planned for the summer...
The idea is to play extreme music, no compromise, but at volumes where people can still talk, hang out, without absolutely dominating like stage metal does
-sounds like a paradox, but the biggest drawback to living on extreme metal is the limitations and taboos associated with volume rather than talent, comicbook cr@p rather than anything clever to say, and many burned bridges and closed doors in regard to venues, based on the clich'e 'all or nothing" "blast til you vomit yer soul"...
Drawing from the way Jazz and Classical guys shred QUIETLY,
using dynamics beyond the stanby switch/ all knobs to the right,
Volume has little to do with great tone-usually the most abused element of good sound, and I anticipate using the Nano with a 2x8" speaker box, and getting that KREWL grind at volumes where I hope to be invited back for more music another day-
parties, coffeeshops, busking Danish streets,campfires,sewing groups, bat mitzvahs,samples at the supermarket-when's yer birthday ?
paying jobs playing EVIL METAL hehehe-can it be done?
we'll see about that!
cheers mates
DRAC
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this is realy sad.
i can see going to a gig in a small 200 people venue, sit yourself down at the table and get a pair of headphones, while the band onstage is plaing into a pod straight into the mixer with in ear monitors.
mark my words, it will come to that. and my heart hurts cos that will take all that is fun at playing gigs. playing loud! (mind you, not ear shattering volumes)
all that political correctness and shite. let the fukkers know real music is in town!!! they can get through one night!
ok, back to the thread. i dont think anything below 15w is usefull for anything but the smallest of gigs. for recording i'd guess its cool since you can crank that sucker and let rip, but its not loud enough. maybe if you were blasting it through a 4x12.
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Gonna be running the Nano thro' a 2 X12 loaded with one celestion blue and one G12H which should be plenty loud enough for home recording and practice. At full chat it should be about half as loud as my Harly flat out.......
which'll be nice.
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IMHO...:roll:
who the heck will want "extreme" music in a coffee shop? There's different music for different parts of different people's lives. In a coffee shop or at a birthday party people just arent going to want take-no-prisoners metal :evil: they're going to want something that suits the occasion - isn't that what music is all about? If you are really the kind of person that wants to listen to all-out heavy scary music all the time, then you are one of a minority of predominantly really rather disturbed people. No-compromise metal is all about no-compromises, and it usually dominates the stage because that is what it is meant to do. The stage is the place for that kind of music, the coffee shop just isn't. Good luck anyway.
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Hey I was joking about the birthday party, but serious about street music, and convo-level music, and coffeshops-
Big sound in a small package, for gigs.
I'm getting old, but I'm still bitter.
I agree the music becomes something else without the volume/racket, but I don't neccesarily think that's a bad thing.
Thinking about tasty riffage, and intense playing, at acoustic levels , or thereabouts, with an electric tone on the guitars- not compromising in regard to speed, tone, just at tactical volumes-as much as neccesary.
Tried this in a way, some time ago- Reno the drum monster has a electronic drum set- simply being able to turn the drum volume down makes an enormous difference- could turn the axes down, talk to each other while we played-" now do this...", "no, this", "get ready for the change..."etc.-
The music was fast as it needed to be, and for all intent & purpose, was the same over-the-top music at low volume, and it was a kick to play this way-
drum volume set the volume standard, and we all left that session without being scrambled in the head & ears. This is perhaps where the idea came from-
I even think the pod & headphones thing is valid-It's still playing music...
Just on a smaller scale.
hehehe
-DRAC
hey indy-what kind of music you playing?
you think it could go 'small' like this,
or wouldn't be do-able/worth it/missing something...
-just curious, mate-
-cheers
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hey indy-what kind of music you playing?
you think it could go 'small' like this,
or wouldn't be do-able/worth it/missing something...
-just curious, mate-
-cheers
I don't focus one kind of music when i play - it really depends on my mood at the time. I guess mostly i'm in a blues rock kind of mood, but it definately goes a lot more mellow at times and also a lot more METAL :twisted: some music can go 'small' i think, and some of it just can't. I think music should be diverse in its volumes - volume can make music a lot more theatrical and changes even within one song can really evoke emotions! ever got to the climax of your favourite song and just cranked it and gone wild? thats obviously an important effect that volume can have on a song and yourself. IMO Both volume and content of music should be variable for different aspects of life; places, times, moods etc.
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I agree with ye...
Yer right.
-Drac
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Well I agree with Indy.. rock music is meant to be played loud! It just doesnt sound or feel right quiet.
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I got the MiniMat (yes in RED). I think it is great, for the price you get a ton of features and the sound is right where I wanted it to be. It cleans up with the volume to give a very sweet sound too (mind you I have always liked the sound of 6V6's). I will probably run it into a G12H Heritage for now - I want to ge the mini Stack from Matamp and then I will use a G12H and Alnico Blue.
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Cheers for last time, Phil...
Hey, would you consider that MiniMat gigworthy?
even to a house PA?
Do you think LOwatt amps only have a place in the studio/bedroom?
? ? ?- DRAC
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I got the MiniMat (yes in RED). I think it is great, for the price you get a ton of features and the sound is right where I wanted it to be. It cleans up with the volume to give a very sweet sound too (mind you I have always liked the sound of 6V6's). I will probably run it into a G12H Heritage for now - I want to ge the mini Stack from Matamp and then I will use a G12H and Alnico Blue.
awesome. red would rock. what's the tone like (roughly)?
what's the boost like- is it just like an OD pedal?
how loud is it?
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The boost is pretty much just a built-in MXR micro-amp
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Cheers for last time, Phil...
Hey, would you consider that MiniMat gigworthy?
even to a house PA?
Do you think LOwatt amps only have a place in the studio/bedroom?
? ? ?- DRAC
Hi D.... (name witheld for credibility :P ), it is really gigworthy - the transformers are massively overspec'd to allow for all day running. It is built like a shitezenhaus and with the right speaker has a brilliant sound that comes over as a well miked stack. Sending it to a house PA allows you to use on of the other features, the DI socket (which is taken off the speaker outs, so you get all the power amp distortion too!). The boost sounds good and is based on the Fulldrive, and it even comes with a footwitch.
I only have one amp which is more than 20w, my 50w Silver Jubilee 1x12 combo), so I have never had a problem with low powered valve amps for use on stage. One of the greatest guitar gigs I saw was Shawn Lane playing at NAMM using a stereo 3watt amp on stage, with Jonas Helborg on bass and i think Kofi Baker on drums. I was there with the manufacturer so I know this was his only amp on stage!
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I'm still thinking about getting a Minimat just for that sweet 6V6 overdrive and would complemet my other low watters.
Oh, and Shawn Lane.... now you're talking!!
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The boost is pretty much just a built-in MXR micro-amp
The boost sounds good and is based on the Fulldrive, and it even comes with a footwitch.
so it's basically just like a boost pedal?
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The boost is pretty much just a built-in MXR micro-amp
The boost sounds good and is based on the Fulldrive, and it even comes with a footwitch.
so it's basically just like a boost pedal?
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That's why it is labelled 'Boost' :rock: You bypass it if you use the low input.
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That's why it is labelled 'Boost' :rock: You bypass it if you use the low input.
:oops:
yeah...
but don't a lot of master volume valve amps just use the pre amp tubes to get the overdrive at low volumes? or do they work in a similar way to the minimat (i.e. just like a boost pedal to boost the preamp tubes into overdrive)? Or am I just missing something?
Thanks, by the way, Phil.
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The Minimat doesn't have a master volume. It is basically a Volume/Tone amp and if you use the low input and speaker 1, then this is what you have. But as Jeff explained to me when I went for mine, they realised that it sounded great with an overdrive on the front end, and thought that the Fulldrive gave the best sound, but was probably a bit too expensive for people who were buying the Minimat, so they decided to build one in, and make it foot switchable, and include the switch!
At the same time, they realised that it was still very loud to use at home, so they added an attenuator to reduce the output. It is important to realise that this is after the power amp, and is not a master volume.
They also added a DI jack to make it easy to record or send to a bigger amp.
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The Minimat doesn't have a master volume. It is basically a Volume/Tone amp and if you use the low input and speaker 1, then this is what you have. But as Jeff explained to me when I went for mine, they realised that it sounded great with an overdrive on the front end, and thought that the Fulldrive gave the best sound, but was probably a bit too expensive for people who were buying the Minimat, so they decided to build one in, and make it foot switchable, and include the switch!
At the same time, they realised that it was still very loud to use at home, so they added an attenuator to reduce the output. It is important to realise that this is after the power amp, and is not a master volume.
They also added a DI jack to make it easy to record or send to a bigger amp.
that's what i figured. Thanks very much for the help, phil.
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