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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Muso on May 18, 2006, 05:48:20 PM

Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Muso on May 18, 2006, 05:48:20 PM
Guys so I basically bought a practise amp, its a line 6 spider mark 2, 15 watter. Basically it sounds like utter rubbish, worst amp I ever used or owned. I know my guitar kicks arse but this thing sounds like a bee in a jam jar, £110 not well spent.
Damn back to square 1 with the whole practise amp thing. My keely distorsion pedal doesn't even work with it.

Absolutely gutted :(
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Elliot on May 18, 2006, 05:54:29 PM
Send it back and get an Epiphone Valve Junior and a Dano Fish and Chips EQ and rock with 5 watts of valve power.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: willo on May 18, 2006, 05:58:42 PM
what settings are you using? I found boost into a Crunch channel (the red LEd one) was not too bad a tone.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: indysmith on May 18, 2006, 07:12:07 PM
haha you should have learned to steer clear of line6 by now muso! :P I'll second the epiphone valve junior idea - great little amp for the moneys.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: fps_dean on May 18, 2006, 09:44:29 PM
If you want to spend a bit more but get a top notch sounding practice amp, get a Fender Blues Jr or a Peavey Classic 30.  All tube and they both sound great!
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Muso on May 18, 2006, 11:00:27 PM
Man in addition to Line 6 sucking I just lost my job at the NHS due to major job cuts so I'm fugging broke again. back to manual labour (with a degree in compter science and various years job experience) so the line 6 is for sale but i guess no one wants it lol
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: HTH AMPS on May 19, 2006, 01:18:06 AM
I had a Line6 SpiderII head and could get many VERY passable tones out of it - I've owned most of the classic amps too so I know how it compares to them.  The Fender clean was pretty close and the Hiwatt tone was certainly in the ballpark, Marshall was very average and the OTT overdrive was great.  

You basically need to give them some volume to get the speaker working.

 :twisted:
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: indysmith on May 19, 2006, 02:21:51 AM
Quote from: Muso
Man in addition to Line 6 sucking I just lost my job at the NHS due to major job cuts so I'm fugging broke again. back to manual labour (with a degree in compter science and various years job experience) so the line 6 is for sale but i guess no one wants it lol

well since you just got it the other day could yu not send it back?
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Muso on May 19, 2006, 12:58:52 PM
I will sent it back today and hopefully get a full cash refund.

Why is it so hard to find a half decent amp, I just want a nice clean channel and a JCm800 turbo marhsall sounding gain in a practise amp. Ive tried cornford and didn't get on well and a peavy 5150.

bah humbug
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: j7899 on May 22, 2006, 03:25:01 AM
Quote from: Elliot
Send it back and get an Epiphone Valve Junior and a Dano Fish and Chips EQ and rock with 5 watts of valve power.


This is a very good suggestion, I actually just ordered the exact same thing but added an overdrive pedal(not sure if I will need it).
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Elliot on May 22, 2006, 08:55:26 AM
They're £85.00 if you shop around - Look at Peter Cook's website
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: fps_dean on May 23, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
I had a Line6 SpiderII head and could get many VERY passable tones out of it - I've owned most of the classic amps too so I know how it compares to them.  The Fender clean was pretty close and the Hiwatt tone was certainly in the ballpark, Marshall was very average and the OTT overdrive was great.  

You basically need to give them some volume to get the speaker working.

 :twisted:

Either you're 90% deaf, or you're 85% deaf.  I can't tell which ;)
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: carlaz on May 23, 2006, 02:28:59 PM
I played bass through someone elses Line6 Lowdown bass amp at a gig the other week.  I'm sure a roaring Ampeg stack would have sounded better, but the Line6 sounded at least very good indeedand was super easy to get set up and into the mix (line out to the PA, onboard speakers for sound onstage, and that speeds up the soundcheck pretty handily).  

So I was favourably impressed by the value-for-convenience option. Even if I had the money for a roaring Ampeg stack, I'm not sure how the hell I'd transport it; I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have wanted to wrestle it up the flight of stairs at that venue! ;)

All things have their place, I suppose.  Tool for the job.  Were I a rich rock star with piles of roadies and techies to worry about this stuff, of course, it wouldn't matter  8)
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Muso on May 23, 2006, 04:19:54 PM
Line 6 is just terrible man, terrible. No one else buy one. greg Howe was with line 6 for a while, incredible player and even he had a pants tone with it!
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: sambo on May 23, 2006, 04:38:55 PM
haha sorry but cant agree with you on that... you cant say that a company's entire range of products is shitee just cause you didnt like their UBER CHEAP practice amp...

what was your description again...

" just want a nice clean channel and a JCm800 turbo marhsall sounding gain in a practise amp"

... a 'turbo' JCM800 with nice cleans for £110?  :?
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: willo on May 23, 2006, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: sambo
haha sorry but cant agree with you on that... you cant say that a company's entire range of products is shitee just cause you didnt like their UBER CHEAP practice amp...

what was your description again...

" just want a nice clean channel and a JCm800 turbo marhsall sounding gain in a practise amp"

... a 'turbo' JCM800 with nice cleans for £110?  :?


word, Sam. :)

You know, it's easy to criticise; the internet is full of people talking in superlatives and hyperbole. The simple fact is that tone is going to be compromised by cost. So, realistically, what can you expect for £110?
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: marmoset on May 23, 2006, 05:33:46 PM
It's true you get what you pay for, but I bought a Line 6 Spider 30 watter for £150, and I could have bought a Roland Cube or Vox AD30 or for a little more a Laney LC15! (It's my first ever electric guitar and amp so it sounded 'awesome'  :D ) So I think the point is more that you can buy much better for the price of a Spider.

That said my Spider isn't that bad, I mean it makes my guitar louder, and it has a CD in and a headphone out, and its pretty versatile for practice at home. It is digital sounding, but it isn't the steaming mound of horse-radish everyone says it it.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: sambo on May 23, 2006, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: marmoset
for a little more a Laney LC15!quote]

yes but who says a LC15 is that great? i know Davey tried one and didnt like it AT ALL or something was wrong with it...

im not having a go, just saying that tone is nearly always personal opinion in my view.  

and to add to what you mentioned, your always gonna get good+bad stuff in a price range, thats a FACT of LIFE not just the guitar world, so yes there may have been stuff that could have trumped the Spider tone wise in someones view, but that wouldnt make the Spider (or Line 6) shite....

this isnt addressed at you mate, just general...

sorry if im sounding angry at all, not meaning to come across like that.

and yer Ian- spot on mate.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: marmoset on May 23, 2006, 05:52:38 PM
Yeah sambo you're right, tone is subjective. Add to that the 'grass is always greener' factor, and I guess it's easy to be forever discontent. Really you can only be sure if you try everything, so it's kinda stupid for me to speculate how good everything else was.

You don't sound angry btw, you say reasonable guitar stuff rather than 'your mother's ugly,' so I don't mind at all  :D
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: sambo on May 23, 2006, 06:23:29 PM
Quote from: marmoset
Yeah sambo you're right, tone is subjective. Add to that the 'grass is always greener' factor, and I guess it's easy to be forever discontent.


yer great point...

glad i didnt come across angry  :D .. its hard when everythings in words lol
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Muso on May 24, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
Ok so say I had a shed loads of money what amp would be able to get turbo JCM800 + nice cleans at the same level of low volume for practise? I've looked around and there isnt any, I bought the line 6 out of deperations to Jam with people at lower volumes.
I've Cornford Harlequin which had great cleans but pants distorsion but no where near as bad as the line 6, this was £600 and supposed to be top of the range. Any suggestions would be great
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Twinfan on May 24, 2006, 02:55:32 PM
You'll need tubes.  DSL Marshall?
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: _tom_ on May 24, 2006, 03:02:11 PM
Sounds like you need a..... KOCH! :lol: They are meant to be really versatile though according to Johnny Mac
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: sambo on May 24, 2006, 03:57:16 PM
well why not Valve Amp + Attenuator?
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: Searcher on May 24, 2006, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Muso
Ok so say I had a shed loads of money what amp would be able to get turbo JCM800 + nice cleans at the same level of low volume for practise?


You need two amps.  ;)  Me too.
Title: Jesus H Christ, Line 6!
Post by: sgmypod on May 24, 2006, 11:44:30 PM
bit late in posting but agree with sambo can't write off all line 6 stuff...use a podxt and love it....have owned hiwatt 50 head and cab(70's) a fender twin...and a small JTM30 marshall(am skint at mo) but the pod stuff is still great sounding