Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: _tom_ on June 03, 2006, 09:27:30 PM
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That I NEED (:twisted:) a JCM800 combo that I've found on ebay, for a great price, and is in a town close to me meaning I'd save on postage and could try it out first anyway..
I was speaking to him about it and he seems to think it'll be rubbish and unreliable, noisy and generally cr@p. There must be some way I can show that it wont be like this?!
Cheers for any help
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does he play guitar?
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Nope, otherwise maybe he'd understand about rarities such as JCM800 combos going for good prices! If only I had a job so I could pay for stuff myself :?
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tell him the only thing that can go wrong is you turn the power on without a speaker cab connected and blow it.
:D
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1) he might be more keen to give you a loan and
2) try showing him a thread full of people asking your dad to get it.
They barely ever turn up Tom's Dad so go for it, he'll pay you back!
(in dishwasher duty)
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Well yeah I will eventually pay back whenever someone wants to employ me :lol:
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I have the JCM800 combo, Tom, and take it from me it isn't unreliable. I think there is a little bit of noise caused by a loose wire inside - I really should sort this out, but the in-built noise reduction facilities of the THD Hotplate kills this noise anyway.
So, yeah, I can whole-heartedly recommend it. The fact is, that whilst the amp is older than a brand-new amp, those Marshalls were quality, and that kind of quality lasts. It isn't going to just break down - if it did, would the JCM800's have featured in the backline of almost every rock guitarist of note in the last 20 years?
Slash, Frusciante, Zakk Wylde, Navarro, Metallica, Billy Corgan bla bla bla
If he still can't see what you mean, relate it to an anology he will be able to relate to - furniture, for instance. I mean, people desire Victorian furniture - partly for it's value, but also because of the construction qualities. I mean, these antique dressing tables are still being used today, they don't just fall apart like some modern-day tables would.
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How can it be unreliable? Components in it would break only if the person using the amp mistreats it, and I doubt it'd need a cap change any time soon if the seller hasn't mentioned any problems. There's not much in a JCM800 that could go wrong, there's a lot less components on it's circuit board than the amp you're using right now.
He might be right about it being noisy though... :twisted:
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Yeah I was trying to tell him about the quality of old amps... he started telling me I sounded like a grumpy old man saying that things arent the same as they used to be :lol: The only way to prove him wrong is to go play it I guess with him present, I just gotta find a way of this happening :P
I think the fact that someones actually selling it is a reason hes skeptical - "Well it cant be that good if someones wanting to sell it" :roll:
Cheers
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lol... good reasoning!
say to him: you bought this house off someone, they sold it for a reason, cant be that good etc etc
or attack his car in that way :P
or even your mum.. 'shes not always been married to you, so someone else must have passed her on' :lol: (ok VERY bad taste.. and not meant to offend matey!!)
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just use the line i always use...
"It's one of those things only musicians would know about...."
works a charm as my dad always wanted to play piano (as did i) so he's particularly easy to push over in the spending dept.
:D:D:D
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or even your mum.. 'shes not always been married to you, so someone else must have passed her on' :lol: (ok VERY bad taste.. and not meant to offend matey!!)
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hahahaha now why didnt I think of that one :lol:
Anyway.. my mums on my side so thats 2 against 1 so far, I'll show dad this thread tomorrow before the auction ends! :D
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tell him that you'll explode if he doesnt buy it for you
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When I wanted to buy a 1977 Marshall super lead I just told my dad that I could still make a profit by selling it on e-bay. The same line worked when I wanted to buy a 1981 JCM800.
My dad isn't really a musician but he trusts me about things like this because he knows I'm a total Marshall-geek... even though I'm only 16.
Oh, and by the way... I still have both amps :twisted:
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tell him that you'll explode if he doesnt buy it for you
hahaha somehow I dont think that one will work :P
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Tell him that if he really loved you he would get you it.
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Tell him that it's too late 'cause I just bought it...Only joking, i don't have any money, just bought a strat (hopes beatle is proud of me)
Hope you get it though dude, it'd be a great buy
EDIT: Omg, is it that one that's only £180? maybe I can buy it and then sell it to you when you have money - if you can prise it from my ninja death grip :P
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Tell him that it's too late 'cause I just bought it...Only joking, i don't have any money, just bought a strat (hopes beatle is proud of me)
Hope you get it though dude, it'd be a great buy
EDIT: Omg, is it that one that's only £180? maybe I can buy it and then sell it to you when you have money - if you can prise it from my ninja death grip :P
wtf £180?! WHERE! The only one I see is £375 with no bids... the seller lives like 3 miles away from me which makes it the best buy ever!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marshall-JCM800-Marshal-JCM-800-100-watt-valve-combo_W0QQitemZ7417687859QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I don't see the one you were on about
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Oooh yes I remember that one... 100w valve though, way too powerful, thats why I disregarded it I guess. I'll have to try and wear my dad down tomorrow :lol:
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That I NEED (:twisted:) a JCM800 combo that I've found on ebay, for a great price, and is in a town close to me meaning I'd save on postage and could try it out first anyway..
I was speaking to him about it and he seems to think it'll be rubbish and unreliable, noisy and generally cr@p. There must be some way I can show that it wont be like this?!
Cheers for any help
As a Father myself, I have told my fraternal twins that if they learn and develop their ability and skill, that I will help them get what they need and want for their musicianship. They have to...
1. Advance in skill and ability
2. Help with buying it
They work around the house for so much a day doing everything from yard mowing to trash pick-up. Makes the gear more worth while for them. I know it did for me.
That is my advice to you. Sorry I couldn't help more, but that is how I do my own children, and both started last year at age 9 playing.
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My parents think now that i have 3 guitars and 2 amps that buying more gear is a waste of money, so now i have to buy it all myself
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As a Father myself, I have told my fraternal twins that if they learn and develop their ability and skill, that I will help them get what they need and want for their musicianship. They have to...
1. Advance in skill and ability
2. Help with buying it
They work around the house for so much a day doing everything from yard mowing to trash pick-up. Makes the gear more worth while for them. I know it did for me.
That is my advice to you. Sorry I couldn't help more, but that is how I do my own children, and both started last year at age 9 playing.
Yeah thats what I did for my Fender amp, but was also part of a birthday present aswell.. and my birthday isnt till November :P Although I may be able to bare with the Fender till then actually, unless I get a job beforehand which would be the best thing. I just wish people would employ me :lol:
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How old are you? I know in the U.S. here you can work at age 15 with parental consent, but I have no idea as to the child labor laws there.
Try odd jobs like mowing yards for the neighbors, mending fences, painting fences, weeding gardens, clean gutters, rake leaves, trm bushes and trees, clean up of neighbors grounds, etc. Talk to your neighbors and see what they may have to do. Make jobs for yourself. Take a walk through the neighborhood and see what you would do if those were your houses.
There is at least one neighbor that will let you work, and when that happens make sure you do the best job you can so they will tell their friends that you do good work, for a good price hinthint, and you will possibly get another job just for doing the other so well. References mean everything. Remember that.:wink:
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Well I'm 17 and have tried looking for a job loads of times but no one seems to want me for some reason, its not like my grades, or application itself are bad :? Could try putting an ad up in the village noticeboard thing for doing any odd jobs though I guess.
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Well I'm 17 and have tried looking for a job loads of times but no one seems to want me for some reason, its not like my grades, or application itself are bad :? Could try putting an ad up in the village noticeboard thing for doing any odd jobs though I guess.
Maybe you should let this amp pass untill you can afford it. Job or no job, your dad shouldn't need to buy you every luxuary item you want. You already have an amp, why not wait till you have a job before thinking of getting the jmc800?
Sorry if this is confrontational, just kinda taking the other side of the argument. You're 17 now, time to be a big boy :D
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There's no gear you cannot live without, it's simply a matter of decision. If buying new gear is of higher priority to you than becoming financially independent for instance, just go for it. I'm pretty sure that if your dad buys that amp for you, you'll never really appreciate it. I'd say start saving up simply to have more money. The harder it is to earn your money, the less you'll want to spend on gear. There are no opportunities you cannot let pass. Getting rid of GAS is a matter of decision, and everytime you see a tempting opportunity, your decision will be tested.
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Well I didnt get it in the end anyway, Dad wouldnt give in :lol:
I have TRIED to get a job loads of times, but no one wants me which is why I have to resort to getting things bought for me!
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Isn't there an organization that offers work possibilities for students during the summer for instance? We have a few organizations here that have a list of companies willing to employ high-school / college students for minor jobs like packaging, delivering, office work etc. and students may contact these companies through them. Aren't there similar organizations in the UK as well? You might be able to find some information about that on the internet.
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I dunno, will have to have a look though. Cheers!
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Here is how I got several jobs, and to do this you have to be damn sure you can pull it off.
"Look. I need a job, and you need some help I know. I'll work for you a day, and if you don't like my work, then you don't owe me, but I bet you I will out work most of your existing crew...today and everyday. Try me."
I have used that several times, and I started doing it at your age basically. I went from pee-on laborer to Carpenter Elite in just a few years, and now I can look at any boss/contractor and tell them that, "My truck doesn't start up for less than $12 an hour, and damn sure won't move unless I have that pay for a minimum of 40 hours a week.", and I get the pay and the work due to my references. (Remember what I said about them? Look at the previous post or two of mine.:wink:) I bust ass and do my job, period.
Cop that attitude, back it up, and bust your ass, and NEVER forget to learn from anyone. It will be hard, and it won't be easy, but you can do it. I did. :wink:
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Bleed's right, man
I aquired my first decent fender by working forty hours a week packing bricks. There's always a job. Not necessarily a good job, or as in my case, a safe job (Daily sectarian death threats. I love Northern Ireland), but a way to earn some green. You'll find your ould fella much more easily swayed if you're pulling down any coin at all.
Actually, right about now, check out your local council. They all take on a load of casuals over the summer for landscaping, grass cutting etc. It's not glamourous, but the pay is pretty decent and you'll be working with a shower of lazy old buggers. Somedays, you'll be earning your wages drinking tea and reading the paper....
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go into your local town\city
walk into a job center.
ask about agency vacancies.
choose 1 of 100s of jobs, all with transport to and from the place of work and starting on at least min wage.
Sorted!! :)
Seriously, i used to work in a call center with a 17yr old girl, she was on £13k a year with an agency on 6month rolling contracts, and eventually she went full time, and is now 20 and earns about £15k + bonuses!
My 1st proper job was nightshift temping for Woolworths... £9.00 an hour.. i was 18 :P
Then i worked in a warehouse through an agency for £260 a week (40hrs)
Now i've been in a bank for almost 2 years fulltime.. decent money, promo ops, min 12% annual bonus, again a job agency got me the interview that started things off :)
AGENCY = teh win.
and the best thing is... if you go somewhere you hate, you can walk out. and they dont care... its in your contract that you can terminate your assignment without notice\reason at anytime (and they cant hold it against you..).. also means the agency can do that to you.. but unless you mess up\piss people off you'll be fine... unless its strictly temp work.. but they'll tell you that for sure.
You seem like a decent lad and not a dead head chav or something... just go for it.
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Try agencies fo sho. Office work is a good way to earn a load of money doing simple stuff. Get to a job centre you vagrant!
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I don't think Tom lacks work ethic- it is opportunities he needs. Trouble is, Bleed, we have regulations and I am not sure if you can work for nothing even if you want to- not officially anyway.Laws brought in to proptect the exploited can also compromise ingenuity. Agree with you guys about work generally and like the old saying goes, if it is worth doing it is worth doing well. I have been working 6 days a week for the last 18 months to help contribute to Gordon's budget.
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Ok ok! I will go to Job Centre as soon as I can to see if they have any part time things, I thought they only advertised full time stuff there though.. what the hell is agency work though?
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agency work...
companies call up an agency and say 'we need 10x people to do a job cos we are really busy'.. the agency looks at their client list, selects some peeps and sends them over.
saves time as all agency staff have been interviewed\vetted before hand.. and can be hired n fired as needed :)
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Ahhh right, makes sense. I'll ask about that then. Cheers!
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I don't think Tom lacks work ethic- it is opportunities he needs. Trouble is, Bleed, we have regulations and I am not sure if you can work for nothing even if you want to- not officially anyway.Laws brought in to proptect the exploited can also compromise ingenuity.
They have that here too, but there is so much "under the table, and out the back" work that you can do it. I'd say if he keeps his nose clean that he could pull it off there. In my case I knew that an older carpenter would test my metal and I would at least have a chance to prove my salt. So I'd say that he could find an older, stuck in his way fella to try his hand with.
Now I do agree that there should be laws and the like that protect everyone for all reasons, so please don't take my stance here wrong. I am actually looking into getting my contractor's license again, and I know about the laws (at least here) and why they are into effect. So I agree because they protect me as well as you/the employee. So it is good all around.
Good point though, and he can now be aware of what is going on better. Always good to have a nice battleplan. Cheers.
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How can it be unreliable? Components in it would break only if the person using the amp mistreats it, and I doubt it'd need a cap change any time soon if the seller hasn't mentioned any problems. There's not much in a JCM800 that could go wrong, there's a lot less components on it's circuit board than the amp you're using right now.
He might be right about it being noisy though... :twisted:
It should be noted that Bainzy is a qualified tech and knows his stuff (so if _tom_'s dad sees this, he can know someone who knows that he's talking about said it's good!).
It should be noted, that my dad had a friend with an old Fender Twin Reverb from the 60s and he hardly ever plays electric. So when I was hunting for my first tube amp, he immediately called him up and asked if he wanted to sell it at the going rate but he didn't have it.
If it helps, I have a '69 Marshall Major. One of the 200 watt Marshalls that's notorious for eating tubes for breakfast. It's generally been very solid and took me 5 years to melt a tube on me.
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I aquired my first decent fender by working forty hours a week packing bricks. There's always a job. Not necessarily a good job, or as in my case, a safe job (Daily sectarian death threats. I love Northern Ireland), but a way to earn some green.
When I bought my first amp, my first amp that I actually had to pa for, I worked for a year straight at a local supermarket and banked half of my paycheck each week. I happen to be at a musicians flea market, and there happens to be a Marshall Major and 2 JCM 800 cabinets, and I happen to have had enough money to buy it. I've slaved for minimum wage but I managed to earn $about $8000 for all my guitars and amps (my parents did buy me a good portion of my first tube amp, a used Vox AC30).
My suggestion? You can look at convienent stores, grocery stores, hotels, (they always need people!), restaurants, or if you have a specific skill, make a resume and go to every business in the area and start handing it out to them.