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Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: CaffeineJunkie on July 25, 2006, 03:35:09 PM: http://www.callahamguitars.com/cryo_pu.htm

true? / false?

Tim?

:D
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on July 25, 2006, 04:13:21 PM: You really need to have a clearer thread title.
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: CaffeineJunkie on July 25, 2006, 04:13:52 PM: probably
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Twinfan on July 25, 2006, 04:14:10 PM: It's the same idea as Cryo valves. All the molecules line up and you get a "truer" metal. Never tried it to see how true it is though.
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on July 25, 2006, 04:25:34 PM: It's ok
It gets very cold in Cornwall in the winter.
It kind of does the job for you
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: dave_mc on July 25, 2006, 04:43:18 PM: Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
You really need to have a clearer thread title.

haha, awesome.

to caffeine: i have no idea...
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Peter Antal on July 25, 2006, 10:31:41 PM: DM Blue Steels are also cryogenically treated. They do sound brilliant and clear but not really natural IMO. I've tried a set on my Artist and they scooped out a large amount of natural mids... no mids, no character... :x

...freezing pickups must be different than freezing strings, though...
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Post by: Kilby on July 25, 2006, 10:42:41 PM: Time to get Tim down to the local Iceland store with a couple of pickups to stick in the fridge ;)

Would you undo the cryo treatment when you wax pot the pickup ?

Rob...
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Post by: deg0ey on July 25, 2006, 10:52:03 PM: Quote from: Peter Antal
DM Blue Steels are also cryogenically treated. They do sound brilliant and clear but not really natural IMO. I've tried a set on my Artist and they scooped out a large amount of natural mids... no mids, no character...

Thing is it's hard to tell whether that's due to the cryogenics, or the fact that they're dodgy to start with...
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Post by: Elliot on July 25, 2006, 11:00:33 PM: I like DM Blue Steels and GHS Sub Zeros - I think they sound better than other strings, so there! :D
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Post by: deg0ey on July 25, 2006, 11:03:30 PM: I'll stick to my Roto Yellows or Blues - Good Sounding, Cheap and British...What more could you ask for? :drink:
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Peter Antal on July 25, 2006, 11:05:53 PM: Quote from: deg0ey
Thing is it's hard to tell whether that's due to the cryogenics, or the fact that they're dodgy to start with...

I've tried normal steel strings before and they weren't as bright. DM also claims the extra brilliance comes from the treatment. But Elliot likes them, so... :lol:
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Searcher on July 26, 2006, 07:16:41 AM: Quote from: Kilby

Would you undo the cryo treatment when you wax pot the pickup ?

I'm guessing that melted wax wouldn't get near to hot enough to make a difference.
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Post by: Canadian Steve on July 27, 2006, 03:38:53 PM: You can't cryo humbuckers, only single coils - I've asked! I bought a set of cryo Fralin p'ups from Callaham last year for my Strat along with cryo-ed electics/pots. I have no idea how much better they are compared to non-cryo p'ups of the same type but I liked them a lot more than my Kinman Woodstocks. They were the same price as non cryo, so I thought why not! It's the same reason why I use GHS sub zero strings.
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Post by: CaffeineJunkie on July 27, 2006, 03:40:28 PM: Quote from: Canadian Steve
You can't cryo humbuckers, only single coils - I've asked!

thas a bit odd
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Canadian Steve on July 27, 2006, 03:54:54 PM: Quote from: CaffeineJunkie
Quote from: Canadian Steve
You can't cryo humbuckers, only single coils - I've asked!

thas a bit odd

I know. I think he said it does something to the (plastic) bobbins/spacers in humbuckers.
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: Elliot on July 27, 2006, 05:03:09 PM: theoretically cryo treating the wire of a pickup might change the tone by lowering the electrical resistance in the wire - so there might be something in it, however, this claim of 18% improvement - is that a science thing or and advertising thing?
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Post by: Bainzy on July 27, 2006, 06:23:34 PM: You can prove anything with statistics.

(14% of people know that)
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Post by: CaffeineJunkie on July 27, 2006, 06:24:20 PM: 67% of all statistics aren't true
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Post by: deg0ey on July 27, 2006, 06:25:19 PM: Quote from: Bainzy
You can prove anything with statistics.

(14% of people know that)

But around 80% of people admit to making up statistics when they can't remember the actual figure :drink: :lol:

EDIT: Damn, beaten!
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Post by: hunter on July 27, 2006, 07:32:02 PM: Well, if it changes the sound of my BKPs then I don't want it. If Tim would wind pickups knowing the change caused by the cryo treatment and anticipating it, that might be different.
I do like Blue Steels on my EVH, but not on the Les Paul.

I have two cryo valves, a KT77 and a 6L6, and I like the 6L6 but not the KT77.

So I think it's like always: things need to make sense together. You can't have DM Blue Steels, and George L cables and cryo pickups and cryo valves, that just becomes too much treble and too fast, too.

If you have a muddy guitar though, then maybe cryo'ed pickups are just the right thing to fix it...
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Post by: JamesHealey on July 28, 2006, 09:17:42 AM: cryo? wtf? how gay!! they'll sell u anything, before u know it they'll say theres something to this scatterwinding malarky! :P
Title: (a clearer) cryogenic freezing of pickups???????
Post by: hunter on July 28, 2006, 05:06:35 PM: Yeah and add the handwired cr@p too

:D
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Post by: Elliot on July 28, 2006, 10:47:58 PM: What I don't get is that Callahan seem to cryo the pickup after it is made - is this correct - surely for the science bit to work Lindy Fralin (is that a man or a woman?) would have to cryo treat the pickup wire before winding it?? Surely that is the only logical way to make a cryo treated pickup that claims to do the thing it does, not to drop the pickup into nitrogen bobbin and all?

What happens with cryotreated valves - surely the nitrogen breaks the glass - so how do you treat NOS valves?

Confused :D
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Post by: froglord on July 29, 2006, 10:35:07 PM: I'm going to have myself cryogenically treated. If all the molecules in my arms are lined up in the same direction, I'll be able to play faster.
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Post by: deg0ey on July 29, 2006, 11:51:39 PM: Quote from: Elliot
What happens with cryotreated valves - surely the nitrogen breaks the glass - so how do you treat NOS valves?

Confused :D

They get brought down to temperature very slowly (over about 12 hours), and the gradual change doesn't seem to break the glass :drink: