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Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: marmoset on July 29, 2006, 06:38:32 PM
I just recognised this problem, so I thought I'd consult the 'jedi council of pickups' that is the BKP forum  :D  

I'm building a guitar, and I have a tune-o-matic bridge for it. However I have a trem spaced miracle man (which I love) in my old guitar, which I would like to put in the new one. So my question is, will it still sound good even though the spacing is wrong? I know it won't be ideal, but I really like the pickup, and I can't really afford a new BKP in the project budget  :(      

Thanks

Naren
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: downrodeo on July 29, 2006, 06:46:26 PM
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So my question is, will it still sound good even though the spacing is wrong? I know it won't be ideal, but I really like the pickup, and I can't really afford a new BKP in the project budget Sad


Well, it would probably sound fine...though there may be some balance issues that only the trained ear will be able to hear...There are different spacings for a reason. I think you will still probably be pleased. This is no Jedi mind-trick (!) :lol:  :lol: [/quote]
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: downrodeo on July 29, 2006, 06:49:07 PM
I also should have mentioned that you may want to ask Tim. He'll definitley have answers for you. Unlike I, who was mainly relying on past information  that I'm not sure is exactly accurate.  :roll:
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on July 29, 2006, 07:07:26 PM
Go for it, it will probably sound fine. Worked for Eddie, but in the reverse (Gibson pickup in a Floyd Rose guitar).

Try it and see what you think.
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: Antag on July 29, 2006, 07:43:08 PM
If anything I think it may sound a bit better.  Looking closely at my guitars that have tunomatic bridges, the one where the pole pieces line up best is my Jackson - which has a Duncan TB6.  The 50mm spaced Nailbomb on my Les Paul spacing has the top E string lined up on the outer ¼ of the pole piece.  If each pole piece was 1mm towards the outside they'd be pretty much dead centre.

I've just gone & measured the width of the strings on my Les Paul & my Warmoth strat w/wilkinson trem (measured above the  pole pieces of the rear coil of the Bridge pickup) - to my eye there's only ~½mm between them.

IMO if the pickup is at the correct height then nobody would be able to tell the difference.

FWIW I'm going to replace the TB6 with a 52mm Holy Diver fairly soon :)
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: Antag on July 29, 2006, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: Antag
If anything I think it may sound a bit better
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IMO if the pickup is at the correct height then nobody would be able to tell the difference


:lol: I just contradicted myself :lol:

I guess I meant the emphasis to be on the 'if anything' - any benefit would be theoretical, but I don't think you'll be complaining either way - the MM is a really good pickup...
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: marmoset on July 29, 2006, 09:25:34 PM
Thanks guys, I just wanted to make sure it would be useable, otherwise I'd have to skimp elsewhere to save money for a new bridge pickup.

And don't worry people, your jedi mind tricks don't work on me  
:shock:

On second thoughts, credits will be fine.

No! Must-re-sist.

 :D
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: Elliot on July 29, 2006, 09:40:35 PM
Well Padawan it does work - a friend used some of my old strat pickups in a homebuild with a tune o matic and he it sounds cool

But then he was playing with the force....

and remember

Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

(Master Yoda a long time ago in a galaxy far far away)
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: deg0ey on July 29, 2006, 11:22:21 PM
Empire Strikes Back? Did I get the right film (for Elliot's quote)???

marmoset: To be fair, the miracle man causes enough hell on its own - noone's going to notice that it's not lined up when they're pinned to the opposite wall :drink:
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: marmoset on July 29, 2006, 11:44:46 PM
You are right indeed, it is fearsome. I think it's more obi-wan kenobi than darth maul. Leave the evil sith work to the warpig  :twisted:
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: deg0ey on July 29, 2006, 11:48:22 PM
Quote from: marmoset
Leave the evil sith work to the warpig  :twisted:


I think the regular warpig would be Luke Skywalker then tbh - He delivers a good thrashing to the enemy the whole way through the trilogy, but gets crushed by the lightning bolts from the pole pieces of the custom ceramic warpig in the end :drink: :lol:
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on July 30, 2006, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: deg0ey
Empire Strikes Back? Did I get the right film (for Elliot's quote)???

No, Phantom Menace.
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: deg0ey on July 30, 2006, 12:27:55 AM
Ah yes, of course - I shoulda known that...my boss would slay me for an error like that, she loves star wars. It's true, a girl that likes star wars :lol:

EDIT: She's 26 and single if you're interested :wink:
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on July 30, 2006, 03:17:53 AM
Quote from: deg0ey
EDIT: She's 26 and single if you're interested :wink:

LOL

My son is a SW fanatic, which is the only reason I know the dialogue of the 3 new movies; I think they're awful!
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: blue on July 30, 2006, 04:58:20 AM
Quote from: deg0ey


EDIT: She's 26 and single if you're interested :wink:


yes i am, where does she live?  

does that sound desperate? i don't want it to.  it IS, but i don't want it to...
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: Philly Q on July 30, 2006, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: deg0ey
...my boss would slay me for an error like that, she loves star wars. It's true, a girl that likes star wars :lol:

EDIT: She's 26 and single if you're interested :wink:

Never mind Star Wars, do you know any girls who like Asian horror movies (or alternatively, Asian girls who like any horror movies)?  They don't have to be as young as 26.  Just breathing.

Ahem....   :oops:

Returning to the original topic, the string spacing at the bridge of all my newer Gibsons is 52.5mm, exactly the same as a modern Fender but not quite as wide as a Floyd or vintage Fender.  Over the bridge pickup poles the spacing's 51 to 51.5mm - so I think your Miracle Man will be perfect in the bridge position.  I prefer 52mm (or F-spaced) at the bridge for all my guitars (50mm at the neck of course).  Even some of Gibson's own "treble" pickups like the 498T are F-spaced.
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: marmoset on July 30, 2006, 04:02:55 PM
Thanks people, now I just need to build the thing.  So far I have the bridge, and some straplocks that the legendary Dave Simpson threw in with the bridge when I bought it off him in seconds out   :D

And good luck to you all finding your respective Princess Leia s   :P
Title: Trem spaced pickup with normal bridge?
Post by: Trendkiller on September 02, 2006, 04:00:10 PM
Hi.
I found that my R.Y. with tremspacing would fit great in my '68 LP.
I just measured it to check it out.
But, the other way around is not that good (for some reason).
A 50mm spacing with a Floyd eq. guitar will have the outher E's off.
T.