Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: keano on August 08, 2006, 10:35:50 PM
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Both ceramic? PAF on roids?
also why not get the OG dirty fingers sorry just being devils advocate here.
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With the greatest respect myself and most of the guys here have tried all the other makes and have come to the conclusion that the BK pickups are better. So i dont see any point comparing other makes, because they dont compare. My opinion.
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I understand, but what about the originals real thing the dirty fingers? I am interested in the CS but also $$ being open minded.
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Believe me, what Steve says goes for most all of us (with a fortunate few who stumbled upon BK's rather early!) and we all have pretty much come to agree that BK's are better. Having said that, YES, you can draw comparisons between this EMG or Duncan or Dimarzio, BUT the BK's are always going to better in build and sound quality.
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I must say though...TRY 'EM...YOU'LL LIKE 'EM :D
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Tim once did mention that the Cold Sweats were similar to a Duncan Custom only more articulate and better bass response. Plus it uses a bigger magnet so it even drives a little harder even though it's more articulate.
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Both ceramic? PAF on roids?
EDIT: See Tim's post for a list of differences. Plus, the CS has the extra articulation scatterwinding adds to the sound, it is made using the best parts available and has a lifetime warranty. :wink: And yeah, it's more expensive in the US.
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thanks guys, yup I am in the US sucks for me ha!
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thanks guys, yup I am in the US sucks for me ha!
Me, too, as well as several other forum members, and many other users not active on the forum itself!
The fact is that a custom shop pup from Duncan would cost a hair less than a Bare Knuckle, and the BK are simply better.
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thanks guys, yup I am in the US sucks for me ha!
Believe me, I'd love to be able to get my BK's "easier", but man has it been worth it. I know they're more expensive, but for a piece of handcrafted TONE, it's worth it. Believe me. [/quote]
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OK, thought I'd chime in here..........SD Custom and the Cold Sweat are very different pickups-the CS has asymmetrical coils of plain enamel wire, the SDC is symmetrically wound with polysol.Secondly the ceramic magnet we use is way bigger so there's much more power on tap.A/B them side to side and tonally they're poles apart.
Dirty Fingers, well it depends if it's the original or reissue model but again it's polysol wound, symmetrical coils and 3 ceramic magnets, one in the centre and 2 flankers-totally different again to the Cold Sweat.
Incidently a SD custom shop pickup is marginally more than a regular BKP but one things for sure you'll have to wait a helluva lot longer for it and even then it won't be handwound.
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Incidently a SD custom shop pickup is marginally more than a regular BKP but one things for sure you'll have to wait a helluva lot longer for it and even then it won't be handwound.
Amen to that. I've got a Duncan custom shop pickup - it was quite a lot more than a BKP and I think the wait was about 6 weeks. To be fair though, it is a Melody Maker pickup, so they probably couldn't use many of their standard components.
Of course I'd have gone to BKP if they'd been around at the time. :)
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thanks guys, yup I am in the US sucks for me ha!
That is okay for me... i don't have to pay the UK's taxes so even after shipping I pay less for my BKPs!
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Incidently a SD custom shop pickup is marginally more than a regular BKP but one things for sure you'll have to wait a helluva lot longer for it and even then it won't be handwound.
Amen to that. I've got a Duncan custom shop pickup - it was quite a lot more than a BKP and I think the wait was about 6 weeks. To be fair though, it is a Melody Maker pickup, so they probably couldn't use many of their standard components.
Of course I'd have gone to BKP if they'd been around at the time. :)
If you buy Duncan you have to buy their custom shop models... but with BKP Duncan is obsolete!!!!!
I have complaints about Duncans mud and lack of mids...
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Damn, you've just put me off the Cold Sweat for life :(
The Duncan Custom is a hideous, weedy, vile sounding abortion of a pickup. The very thought it might bear the slightest resemblance to the Cold Sweat (no matter how vehemently Tim denies it) is enough to bring me out in a cold sweat at the thought of the Cold Sweat :)
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Don't worry, the Cold Sweat doesn't sound anything like a Duncan Custom. The Custom makes me want to stick an ice pick in my ear drums to make the pain go away! :lol:
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Don't worry, the Cold Sweat doesn't sound anything like a Duncan Custom. The Custom makes me want to stick an ice pick in my ear drums to make the pain go away! :lol:
+1. The Cold Sweat are warm,punchy, musical sounding pickups. Whereas the SD Custom are like nails down a chalk board. Panic over!
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Visual comparison.
Duncan
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/dsimp37078/karaoke.jpg)
Bare Knuckle
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/dsimp37078/stalking.jpg) :twisted:
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Visual comparison.
Duncan
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/dsimp37078/karaoke.jpg)
Bare Knuckle
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/dsimp37078/stalking.jpg) :twisted:
Too funny. Yeah Tim talked me into having a cold sweat put into the Black Machine im ordering. That and a Warpig. Theres something to be said about the owner of a company mailing you himself and describing the product in terms you can understand.
I believe he described the warpig as having " tremendous amounts of output with surgical precision and clarity". That sold it for me haha
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That was a ceramic Warpig and Cold Sweat neck combo by the way :D !
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Let me just reiterate that if you go int the bkp shop and indicate you're from U.s.A, that 17% off that we don't have to pay brings them down in price considerably. Get 'em direct from BKP. It's cheaper even w/ shipping than it is to get them from an American dealer. :shock: Sorry American dealers. i guess ya gotta mark em up some :? Anyway I reccomend getting them straight from Tim and tell him exactly what you wanna hear and he'll do it. Peace P.S that karaoke Pic says it all
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Let me just reiterate that if you go int the bkp shop and indicate you're from U.s.A, that 17% off that we don't have to pay brings them down in price considerably. Get 'em direct from BKP. It's cheaper even w/ shipping than it is to get them from an American dealer. :shock:
Yeah, I find it funny how many Americans tend to assume they're getting a bad deal when they're paying "British" prices...when the fact is that they're usually so used to getting stuff cheap, they have issues with paying a fair amount of money for stuff
(note that I said "many", not "all" :drink:)
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I dunno about in the 'states but for me in Canada I get the 17% off, but then when it comes to my door I have to pay 14% in tax plus brokerage or whatever so it ends up being pretty close to the same :P damn canada post!
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didn't know about the 17% discount
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That was a ceramic Warpig and Cold Sweat neck combo by the way :D !
That is correct sir. Cant wait!!!
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Ok...... I did some more tests with my guitars, I have 3 LPs with EMGS
JB and Fillmores.
I have finally after test after test come down to what I seek. I want the JB solo singing sustaining openess. But I need tighter bass. The JB bass is too loose. And actually a little muddy on the very low end.
Sounds great above the 12th fret though untouchable.
Fillmores are complex but a little too vintage. EMGs are sound clipped cr@p on solos. But great on rhythm.
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Keano, the "discount" is because non-UK ( and EU) buyers don't have to pay VAT ( value added tax- odd name as I don't know of a tax that adds value).The UK prices include a 17.5% mark up on the original price.
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value added tax- odd name as I don't know of a tax that adds value
Basically, because businesses are able to claim back tax on items they've bought, it works out as being a tax on a constant fraction of the "value added" by each stage of work on a product (the fraction is different depending on the starting price of the item)...I think that's how it is anyway, I never paid much attention in economics...
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OK, back to the pickups, Rebel Yell or Nailbomb maybe? tight bass and kinda like a JB, maybe Holy Diver? or the Cold Sweats? Damn, still too much choice.
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I've not played the JB, and have no idea whether it's suitable, but I'm gonna tell you about the Holy Diver anyways - I got mine into my strat the other day and oh my god!
I think it (HD) would be suitable for people playing anything remotely rock or metal like, and they do a beautiful clean sound as well. I was surprised how well they handle the heavier end of the spectrum as I was expecting it to be a more rocky sort of pickup.
It does have a quite pronounced midrange, so if you like that sort of thing then yeah :)
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I've not played the JB, and have no idea whether it's suitable, but I'm gonna tell you about the Holy Diver anyways - I got mine into my strat the other day and oh my god!
I think it (HD) would be suitable for people playing anything remotely rock or metal like, and they do a beautiful clean sound as well. I was surprised how well they handle the heavier end of the spectrum as I was expecting it to be a more rocky sort of pickup.
It does have a quite pronounced midrange, so if you like that sort of thing then yeah :)
Love to hear some sound clips of the HD!
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I've not played the JB, and have no idea whether it's suitable, but I'm gonna tell you about the Holy Diver anyways - I got mine into my strat the other day and oh my god!
I think it (HD) would be suitable for people playing anything remotely rock or metal like, and they do a beautiful clean sound as well. I was surprised how well they handle the heavier end of the spectrum as I was expecting it to be a more rocky sort of pickup.
It does have a quite pronounced midrange, so if you like that sort of thing then yeah :)
Love to hear some sound clips of the HD!
Yeah, I noticed a lack of them in the players section...First thing on the list is getting the amp revalved. Then I've gotta pay the deposit on my custom. And after that I'm gonna get me some recording gear, and then I can get some clips up :)
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Tim once did mention that the Cold Sweats were similar to a Duncan Custom only more articulate and better bass response. Plus it uses a bigger magnet so it even drives a little harder even though it's more articulate.
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+ 1.
Seems to be some good points.
I've used an approx 24 year old Duncan Custom in my '70 LPC forever, and I though I would never replace this old Duncan, which sounded real good. Yep, IMO there is a difference between "that" old Duncan Custom and the ones that are manufactured today...but another story.
I found the Cold Sweat to be even better vs this old D.Custom. The C.S. is fatter and have a much better top end bite, without beeing harsh and brittle. I would say the D.Custom sounds a bit "hairy and metallic" vs the BKP C.S.
So, my old Duncan just had to go. I will keep it for the rest of my life, just because it's been "the" pick up for so many years. Kinda nostalgic collection piece or something.
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