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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: indysmith on August 19, 2006, 03:56:13 PM
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well, i did shite. it's not even worth staying in school for since i'll get into no university with grades like these, can i come work for yu BKP?
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relax, i'm not even thinking of going to uni, just use college as an excuse to piss about for another year before you go onto the dole :D
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^ I'd get your skates on if I were you lads! The dole's not going to do you any favours. Lethargy! Not good. :lol:
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I dont think I'm going uni either seeing as I'm only doing 2 A levels (dropped half of double IT as it was pure shitee!) and I dont even know what I want to do yet, seeing as all I enjoy is playing guitar :lol:
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LAW FOR THE WIN.
Pfft, Indy, you'll find something.
A Levels, schmay schmevels.
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_tom_ you're lucky only doing 2, i just signed up for triple maths and computing a2
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You guys are all young enough to get yourselves eductated- do it whilst you can.You cannot see it now but do it whilsts your heads are not full of the day to day worries that hit you later in life paying motgages, supporting wife, ex wife kids etc .Take all the eductional opportuntes you can.
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You guys are all young enough to get yourselves educated- do it whilst you can.You cannot see it now but do it whilst your heads are not full of the day to day worries that hit you later in life paying mortgages, supporting wife, ex wife kids etc .Take all the educational opportunity's you can.
I'm waving my ballot papers Mr 38th!
Your a great bunch of lads, if you take this man's advise you'll take that into your adult life. It's the foundation for everything. Get sorted in an education that you can use in the real world. Don't go down the Media Studies delusional highway to disappointment either! :wink:
If you can't work in an office learn a trade like plumbing. In a few years you'll be able to buy more guitars than you can shake a shitety stick at. Literally!
Take heed cos this is your only chance.
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why else would i be doing three lots of maths???
that's 12 lessons a week
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and computing, but thas a breeze anyway, i usually end up helping the other people in the class as the teacher is a bit dense
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why else would i be doing three lots of maths???
that's 12 lessons a week
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and computing, but thas a breeze anyway, i usually end up helping the other people in the class as the teacher is a bit dense
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:D
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You guys are all young enough to get yourselves eductated- do it whilst you can.You cannot see it now but do it whilsts your heads are not full of the day to day worries that hit you later in life paying motgages, supporting wife, ex wife kids etc .Take all the eductional opportuntes you can.
Agreed, I'm now in the postion where I want to re-train but it's pretty much an impossibility nowadays. Saying that, I had a real fun time completely $%&#ing up my A-levels! :lol:
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come to brazil and start and ice cream business
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haha ice cream business
University was the best part of my life, I would reccomend it to anyone. I mean it gets you out of home fending for yourself at 18 real life experience. Most people stay at home till theyre like 26 these days which is sad imo.
Also theres load of Unis which will take u no matter what u get my mate got into Uni with a single E in computing
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Yah. i agree with muso
i´m learnign a whole lot of things
and my perception levels are increasing largely.
Q:)
i´m aplying in practice what i leanrt in theory.
Hej Muso, the pickup you are selling. is it a floyd spaced one or a normal spaced one?
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the hell i'm going to uni
i'm not paying £14 000 so that somebody can tell me something i already know
not happenin
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I think you can get paid more purely for the fact that you have a degree... or something like that. Thats what I got told at school anyway, so it might not be true. That being said, I probably wont go as I dont really know what I want to do.
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you get more for having 5 years experience than you do for having a degree
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ahahahahahah COME ON caffeinne JUNKIE.
stop with the Madness.
you don´t know everything. i thought i knew. but i was completely WRONG.
even in metal, i learn something new every day i catch some cd to learn the songs by hear.
so, stop with the madness. join a $%&#gin University.. even though the subject is : HWO TO MAKE ICE CREAMS IN BRAZIL.
but join the cr@ppy.
you can also come to brazil and study here. it will be WAY CHEAPER.
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so who would you rather have in your company?
somebody who's continued in school and has got a degree in computer science or whatever
or somebody who has been out in the world, got a job, done some actual work and has experience??
i know - from experience - that when you get taught something, you don't get taught everything, you get taught the basics, and then you have to go away and learn the rest by yourself
for example, a year ago i went on a course to learn a programming language (VB6)
i learnt enough to be able to put together a basic program (ie a calculator)
now, after a year's working in VB6 alongside my brother, i have enough experience that i am currently working on a full-sized commercial program
so, experience / schooling???
your choice at the end of the day
OK, rant over :)
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the hell i'm going to uni
i'm not paying £14 000 so that somebody can tell me something i already know
Agree 110%. And I've been to uni (though obviously not for maths). If you pick a degree in some subjects you get told stuff that is just plain nonsense, let alone stuff you might know already.
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If I were to do a degree course thing I'd probably do Music Production/Technology (recording and stuff apparently), its the only thing I'm really interested in and I guess the skills could be nice to know as I've started doing more home recording now... but I dont know if the course would be useful other than for hobby/leisure use.
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a lot of unis now offer combination courses
ie computing and music, where you look into how different harmonics in a wave form produce different sounds, and how variations in our voice determine what emotion we are experiencing etc.
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That just sounds plain boring :lol:
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depends how you use it
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I have worked with people who have a degree-some are superb, others amaze me that they find their way out of their bedrooms everymorning.
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I'm not sure I agree with that point about experience > degree. Sure you might have gained similar expertise in a specified area, but if truth were told I'm not sure you would end up with the same skills in research, training, self discipline and the 'proper way of doing it'.... Whatever 'it' may be :)
Uni is a lot more than just doing the subject content :)
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I think the main reason a degree opens up so many doors is that it proves your ability to manage a high workload while under pressure and deliver results. It also displays your capacity for learning new processes.
I agree that job experience is good, but all my mates who went the 'job' route have eventually had to take night classes at Uni through work in order to progress further.
I actually went to Uni when I was young, had a f'in great time and got it all out of the way. Having a degree never fails to give me opportunities in the workplace that would otherwise be closed to me.
Lastly, don't even bother going to Uni if you won't stick in - you really NEED a 2:1 to be competitive in the workplace today. Anything less is a waste of your time and money. Try to pick a Uni with a good reputation too - the ones that take any old tat are seen as such.
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If I were to do a degree course thing I'd probably do Music Production/Technology (recording and stuff apparently), its the only thing I'm really interested in and I guess the skills could be nice to know as I've started doing more home recording now... but I dont know if the course would be useful other than for hobby/leisure use.
That is one f'in tough industry to compete in - the number of studios operating in the UK is falling every year. No longer can you get a job as a tape-op or tea boy and work your way up. The cream of the crop from sound engineering colleges get the jobs and even then they start on insulting wages for a graduate.
I was into recording from the same time as I started playing guitar (13). By the time I got to my final year in Uni, having gone through 3 years of sound engineering, I considered myself to be a fairly decent tech and was way ahead of anyone else one my course. I still wasn't enough - I wrote & phoned every studio I could find with no luck.
I got a loan and had a PA-hire company for two years... long hours, lumping gear into a van at 3am after a DJ set, getting to bed before sunrise sometimes, having to put up with some truely horrific bands when doing front-of-house, working every Fri/Sat/Sun when your mates are on the lash. I also did some demos out of my rented rehearsal space/lockup/office and got some cracking stuff down with local bands. At the end of the day, the poor pay, long unsociable hours and uncertainty took it's toll.
Unless you're a one-off and manage to find work in a decent studio you're unlikely to make any sort of career out of it. That might sound bleak, but it's the harsh reality of the situation.
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Well.. it sounds cr@p then :lol: I really wish I knew what I wanted to do but theres nothing that seems interesting or exciting enough to spend 4 years of my life working at.
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you any good at computers???
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Not too bad, I dont know a lot about the technical side (programming and that kinda stuff) but I can use one fine :lol:
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hows bout putting them together n that??
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I've never built one up before, the most I've done is change some ram haha
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well, if you're confident in the hardware side of things, like hooking computers up and setting them up, then maybe consider networking as a career - lots of money available, provided you get the right quals (cisco)
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I'll have to have a look at that kinda stuff then, cheers :D
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no worries
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well, if you're confident in the hardware side of things, like hooking computers up and setting them up, then maybe consider networking as a career - lots of money available, provided you get the right quals (cisco)
That's what I did - got a CISCO CCNA qualification and it turned things around for me. I already had an HNC in I.T. and BSc under my belt, but the cisco certification holds ALOT of weight.
You can expect to walk into a job earning £25k minimum with that qualification, more in London and silly money abroad.
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How do you go about getting Cisco qualifications? Is it at uni or what? Its allready sounding pretty good from what you say HTH! Silly money abroad eh.. sounds very nice :D
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there are certain centres who offer it, best thing to do is google 'cisco qualifications'
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Yep just did that found a few things, somewhere that offers it as a weekend "boot camp" with the exam at the end of that.. seems a bit of a short time to take a lot in though.
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boot camps are pretty good, provided you do some research beforehand and get a basic knowledge of networking
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I know how to plug in our wireless router at home, does that count :D
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I actually rebuilt a computer for one of my dad's mates this summer - got £50 for it :mrgreen:
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Uni, IMO, is a pointer that someone can stcik at somthing.
I have had countless people work for me and without doubt ALL those with a degree were actually dangerous (This was Offshore with R.O.V.'s). They 'thought' they knew somthing which made em a liability. However, with a little work they DID pick stuff up. However, those 'off the street' were way more hit and miss.
A Degree holds a promise of steadiness to an employer.
However, my wisdom would be to get a TRADE (if ya can). They are dying out worldwide (as everyone wanted to get into IT,medical and law etc.) and people ALWAYS will need builders,plumbers and electricians etc.
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Seems like everyone has degrees these days anyway so without one you are already at a disadvantage, most employers in computing will demmand a degree usually 2:1 for even the entry level jobs as the market is over-saturated.
Hey Heavier than hell thats an interesting story u got there glad u could share it, sounds like u had to work yer ass off if you got all those qualifications! rather you than me mate 8)
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the hell i'm going to uni
i'm not paying £14 000 so that somebody can tell me something i already know
not happenin
I used to have the same mentality. Thats why I have spent the last 3 years working in shitety low paid warehouse jobs. The funny thing is the managers where I work don't get paid that much either and they have 15 years of 'experience' there. A co-worker had just left the job after completing his degree and securing a job in his field. His starting wage is three times what the general manager at my work earns, and this guy is only 22.
The idea isn't to 'tell you something that you already know'. The idea is to jump through hoops for 3 years and get a piece of paper that allows you to do the fun jobs that you actully WANT to do, and get paid a shed-load to do them.
After waking up on a freezing winters morning at 4.30am to do hard physical work in dangerous conditions and then getting soaked through by torrential rain at 5.30am on boxing day, when by all rights I should have been in bed with a stinkin' hangover and a beautiful woman, and then having to work in an industrial freezer at -22 degrees celcius, I know what I choose.
That why I start my degree course in three weeks.
Sorry for the overly-dramatic post, but thats how it is if you want to take my job while I go to university... :)
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^ except that i'm already a programmer, and just because i'm not going to uni doesn't mean i'm not getting qualifications, i'm just not getting a degree, i'll get a cisco networking qualification and a bunch of programming quals, which hold more weight in my line of work than a degree, and they are a hell of a lot cheaper ... plus i don't have to waste my next 4 years in uni
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I wouldn't say you 'waste' 4 years at uni. It's more than just the studying, it's the whole student culture and the experience you gain from it. You learn lots of valuable skills apart from the stuff you are taught like how to give proper talks and write proper reports, etc.
Also, uni's tend to attract vast quantities of fine female specimens :twisted: - all in one place. What more could you ask for?
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^ except that i'm already a programmer, and just because i'm not going to uni doesn't mean i'm not getting qualifications, i'm just not getting a degree, i'll get a cisco networking qualification and a bunch of programming quals, which hold more weight in my line of work than a degree, and they are a hell of a lot cheaper ... plus i don't have to waste my next 4 years in uni
Cool! I'm glad you're still getting qualified! I respect that a lot. So you're working as you're getting qualified?
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[quote="CaffeineJunkie] i'll get a cisco networking qualification and a bunch of programming quals, which hold more weight in my line of work than a degree, and they are a hell of a lot cheaper ... plus i don't have to waste my next 4 years in uni[/quote]
The Cisco qualifications on their own don't help much, for any worthwhile job it's experiance as well as the qualifications. A lot of cisco have simply went through the 'brain dump' process using examination notes and knowledgeable employers have caught onto this.
You will see a lot of jobs asking for cisco qualifications, along with mcse, web development, scripting and database knowledge. Those are usually digital sweatshop jobs where the salary is cr@p and you are expected to do everything.
I'm in the opposite position I have done the courses and have the experiance but no bits of paper. I'm paid well but it's hard to change employers (geographical reasons) and to get an initial interview because they don't see the pieces of paper on the qualifications section.
Rob...
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CaffineJunkie .... I would really look around before letting yourself believe that your self study cisco & programming courses 'hold more weight' in the field of computing. Nine times out of ten a degree will be essential! A lot of employers will skim your CV, note that you don't have a degree, and simply chuck your application away. I know I wouldn't work to work for an employer with that attitude, but I'm afraid thats the harsh reality of the job market these days. In saying that, I wish you the best of luck because I was in the same situation a few years ago!
Edit: Also read Kilby's post above... good points made
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yeah i know
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i'm confident
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well...
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i think arrogant would be closer...
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However, my wisdom would be to get a TRADE (if ya can). They are dying out worldwide (as everyone wanted to get into IT,medical and law etc.) and people ALWAYS will need builders,plumbers and electricians etc.
Actually a trade is the last thing you would want these days i reckon. Im currently in 6th form and EVERYBODY is going down the trade route. Its gonna completely tip the balance and before you know it theres gonna be a lot of competition. About a 3rd of my high school form wanted to be mechanics and about 1/4 of my year went on to do some building apprenticeships. looking around my school it is the lawyers and ICT numbers that are now falling. I was actually told in my form that ICT at uni's is falling gradually.
Remember, ICT is always growing.. its taking over the world by storm and there will always be a need for people to look after them and operate them :P
Petre
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Law is completely over-subscribed at the moment. Same with medicine. I know some guys who have gotten straight A's, done loads of work experience, etc. yet still don't get into these courses.
Go into geophysics, there's no competition in the job market, they're throwing away jobs at the moment 8)
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^ i think i heard that to get in to medicine at queen's (belfast) you need 6 a*'s at gcse, in addition to straight a's at a-level...
but yeah, some jobs just plain are oversubscribed. like forensic science.
(a) there are about 3 jobs in the whole of the UK for it.
(b) you can get into it with a chemistry degree, as far as I know, which'll leave you with lots more options for jobs.
hmmm, it's mostly tv programs that oversubscribe these jobs... too many people watching ally mcbeal, ER and CSI, methinks...
I'm just waiting for a degree course to be announced for "survival on a desert island if your plane crashes on it..."
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EDIT: i also agree with petre- don't necessarily go for the jobs that are totally undersubscribed, since they'll be the oversubscribed jobs of 10 years' time, since the pay will rise so much that everyone will want to do it.