Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dakine on September 06, 2006, 06:08:28 PM
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Ok, see Rinse_Master posted he bought one,
but looking for anyone with experience buying a LP copy (loose term) Edwards direct from Japan.
Who you used, overal experience, end cost etc. (oh and of course qaulity compared to real headstock logo lol).
My trade deal for my Axis fell through (he is dillusional) and am Gassing for a nice LP or Custom.
Like this;
http://www.ikebe-gakki.com/shopping_20.php?cate=1&s_cate=1&brand=57&state=1&img_flg=1&page_cnt=12&order=1&state2=&start_index=24
bottom white one
or this;
http://www.ikebe-gakki.com/shopping_20.php?cate=1&s_cate=1&brand=57&state=1&img_flg=1&page_cnt=12&order=1&state2=&start_index=48
middle satin one.
Thanks,
Nick
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Theres someone else on here who has bought one too, and found a very good company for shipping... isabashi i think its called?
Anyway, do a search for Edwards and have a read, cant remember the guys name but a couple of people had good words about this company...
I fancy an Edwards Alexi Laiho sig 8)
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http://www.ishibashi-music.com/
heres the ishibashi website if u want it, but i cant say ive ever imported
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Guitarjapan.com hasn't got back to me about the les paul I'm supposed to be getting (I ordered it but it has been a week with no response so I might cancel) I've e-mailed isabashi so I might be able to tell you my experiences :)
-Will
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yeh,have heard/seen those sites (as well as Katana) from another ahem forum (bleah).
Just this is 'home' here and thought might get better response.
Ishibashi thingy seems to get good reviews.
Basically looking for someone who has gone through this process and good review/details of the guitar received.
Thanks
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I'm looking at the E-LP-90LTC http://www.guitarjapan.com/edwards/spec/e-lp-90ltc.html
I've got the cash, these fecking shops take forever!
-Will
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Will,
thats the one I meant to post, white one.
My Gibson LP will be here (with missus and other axes) end of month but have a hankering.
When sell my Axis, and probably Zoom MRS8 (maybe even Pig Loaded Custom SG, need to thin herd) fancy a LP Custom.
However, a.know time it took to find my GOOD LP Std. b.don't wanna buy a 'car' priced guitar and c.don't wanna be skeered to USE it.
Thus Edwards came to mind as (reviewed as great) viable alternative.
ikebe-gaki is showing it in Black for 67,500 yen (say £307 plus shipping and import duties).
Nick
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Why not go Tokai? There's a UK importer and they're easier to get hold of...
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Cost more for essentially (so far can tell) same thing. Do Tokai do a solid colour custom copy anyways?
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I think so. Check out http://www.coda-music.com/tokai.html.
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Yeah, the "Tokai LC53 Les Paul Custom (RRP £449) £339" looks like what you're after...no?
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^ NO, it's a Korean one.
The £599 custom white looks ok but NOT as original looking as Edwards one (i.e. bultiple binding stripes, vintaged white).
Thanks thought twinfan, worth some more thought.
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I've canceled my order with GuitarJapan because of two reasons:
A) They were £30 more expensive
B) They didn't let me know what was going on, I was waiting 8 days
I've placed an order with Ishibashi for £403 including postage to UK, they are getting stock in next week :)
-Will
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Which axe is this for Will????????
Like to know :)
Is it the White Custom LP?
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Close...the black one :D They are getting them in next week and should be here in another week...god damn waiting sucks :p
-Will
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post a link, pwetty pleese :)
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This is the one I'm getting: http://www.guitarjapan.com/edwards/img/E-LP-90LTC_B.jpg
But ordering it from http://www.ishibashi-music.com/. I ordered by sending them an e-mail because their website translation was shitee! I couldn't find edwards but it might be because they are not in stock.
Experiences so far:
Extremely helpful customer service (I spoke to a guy called Hiroaki who was great and got back to my e-mails in literally a few minutes and was extremely professional and just generally came off as a nice and helpful guy) .Hiroaki sent me a link to pay by credit card, they also accept bank wire transfer for Y3000 extra, no paypal which is a shame.
Thus far, a really smooth ordering process!
Cost:
"E-LP-90LTC/Black w/soft case --- 72,000Yen
Shipping/Insurance fee --- 16,000Yen(U.K.)
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The TOTAL --- 88,000Yen"
88000 yen = 403.910 GBP
I ordered my other guitar (Orville By Gibson) from guitargai and can say that he is also a good dealer, if a bit more expensive - he dosn't do edwards though.
-Will
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That Custom is beautiful :o
How much are you going to have to pay in taxes?
I'd be VERY interested to know how the whole buying process goes.
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Not quite sure at the moment, on my other Lp it was £60-70 but it cost arround £600.
Either way I'll be paying a fair bit :( On the up side though, it is still going to be a bargain :D I'll post replies and tell you how it goes!
-Will
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I think the import duty etc. is about 22% (and if you are anal,can work it out, they CANNOT include shipping costs in their calculations).
Nick
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*puts glasses on*
Cost of good = 72,000Y
= 330GBP
22% of 330
330 / 100 = 3.3
3.3 x 22 =
£72.6
Buggar. Still a good deal though!
-Will
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You're a bad man Dakine, A BAD MAN!!!!!!
Why are you trying to upset my wife? WHY?!?!?!!!??????????
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By the you DO have to include shipping costs in that. So it should be:
£403.91
+3.7% import duty
£418.85
+17.5% VAT
£492.15
Call it a nice round £500 then. Still sounds like a good price!
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Hmm, when I read Customs docs I thought shipping cost should NOT be included in their tax rate. Oh well, still cheap.
And Ben, me Bad? nahhhhhhhhh. I just really fancy the White Custom LP to mod/pimp/BKP :twisted:
EVERYTHING have read about Edwards is VERY good so it's WAY cheaper than a real Gibbo (and thats when/if ya can find a good one).
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a real Gibbo (and thats when/if ya can find a good one).
Actually, the other day I played a Dean EVO special in trans black quilt. Now you can get this guitar for £260 online, but it was better than a "bad" Gibson if you know what I mean. The neck was a real suprise too, thin and fast with a great heeljoin, really quick and playable. A set of Rebel Yells, some locking tuners and a locking Tune-a-matic and STILL mucho change from £500, I think the credit card could be getting flexed ;)
My wife will be unhappy though, as on those Edwards pages I saw 2 superstrats, an explorer, a pointy and two lesters that I really liked :(
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I own a E-LP-90LTC the black one and It's really a nice guitar. I ordered it thru Ishibashi which was a nice experience (and a fast one I might add). Compared to Tokai I think you'll get much better quality as I've heard there has been quite many upsets in Tokai's quality control nowadays. Well I love it a lot and I haven't noticed any flaws n it. Just remember to change to Seymours to BKP's A.S.A.P :D
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All this talk has got me GAS-ing REALLY badly. I'm currently scouring the house for stuff to put on eBay...
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I own a E-LP-90LTC the black one and It's really a nice guitar. I ordered it thru Ishibashi which was a nice experience (and a fast one I might add). Compared to Tokai I think you'll get much better quality as I've heard there has been quite many upsets in Tokai's quality control nowadays. Well I love it a lot and I haven't noticed any flaws n it. Just remember to change to Seymours to BKP's A.S.A.P :D
That has got me salavating all the more! Just to know I have to wait two...long...agonizing weeks til I get mine :(
How does it compare to Gibsons?
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Congrats mate!!
I've got their take in the Randy Rhoads (E-RV-138) and it's a great guitar.
Import tax does indeed suck but the isn't much you can do to get around it. :(
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I was going to go down that road, until I thought long and hard about Feline (It's the avatar you see! :roll: :lol: ). He has some sale items at the moment Nick.
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JM, would LOVE a Feline LP, but (even if on sale) am sure will be about 3-4 times more than an Edwards.
One day, one day.
Still not done anyways.
Need to thin the heard.
Axis to go and maybe my Custom SG with Burnt Chrome Piggies.
The Mesa is/has been a revalation and now just play straight into that with the Pet or Explorer.
Anyway, sell and see :)
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JM, would LOVE a Feline LP, but (even if on sale) am sure will be about 3-4 times more than an Edwards.
One day, one day.
Still not done anyways.
Need to thin the heard.
Axis to go and maybe my Custom SG with Burnt Chrome Piggies.
The Mesa is/has been a revalation and now just play straight into that with the Pet or Explorer.
Anyway, sell and see :)
Look into it Dude, seriously! He has some 'Here's One I Made Earlier' (Blue Peter?) Guitars for sale now. I had a go on one of his last time i was there and it blew me away mate! Take into consideration all that import duty, shipping, this tax other tax, pay for all the cretins tax and there won't be much difference when you consider what your getting for your well earned pounds!
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You know he's talking sense Nick - and if you give me the time to save up to buy your guitars then you'll be able to afford one of feline's creations :drink: :lol:
I'm thinking of putting off the recording gear and making that a christmas present, so I should have cash for you sooner :)
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JM, Jon/Feline needs to post these axes then, as all can see online/Evilbay are not my cup of tea.
Am talking LP style git to mod.
And WITH all taxes etc. we are talking sub £600 for an Edwards. Sell the Sey Duncs and put in BKP's of course.
Tell Jon to post some pics/specs bro!
Anyway, my Pet (whose neck I adore, sounds bit luvvy duvvy don't it LOL) needs BKP's first I tink.
and deg0ey, have not forgotten bro., no worries.
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JM, Jon/Feline needs to post these axes then, as all can see online/Evilbay are not my cup of tea.
Am talking LP style git to mod.
And WITH all taxes etc. we are talking sub £600 for an Edwards. Sell the Sey Duncs and put in BKP's of course.
Tell Jon to post some pics/specs bro!
Anyway, my Pet (whose neck I adore, sounds bit luvvy duvvy don't it LOL) needs BKP's first I tink.
and deg0ey, have not forgotten bro., no worries.
Do you like the Red LP? I played that with the EMG 81 in the bridge at it kicks butt dude. The feel of it though is what still lingers in my mind. It just feels so well made it's faultless! You put some BKP's in it and , well it just makes me shudder the thought of what you could do with that thing man! There's a Gothic SG which is a monster too. The Maple gunslinger with the MM is just superb too. The fret work is amazing. All you have to do is hold out a bit longer. The differences in price are negligible for the workmanship IMHO :!: 8)
Edit Why not commission him to build you one the way you want it? You just pay a bit into the account as and when you can. No interest. Just top service and workmanship. Everything is your choice. I'm doing it and I ain't exactly a rich bloke myself!
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Johnny Maxc : Pimp my Luthier!!!
Thanks JM
On a serious level, I will be only to happy o do what i can to get some of my cool axes in the hands of BKP forumites
Some of the existing stuff I want to clear outr to make way for new stuff
All in tip top condition - PM me to make a serious offer - you may be surprised what I will do (obviously I'm not looking to make a nasty loss but a chance to recoup some money to make new stuff will be cool - got Feline's 10th official anniversary coming up and would be great to have some new stuff there)
And I'll happily talk about swapping out pickups for your choice of BKPs
Or have the axe you want - pay in instalments and manage the cost
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Well,
best choice obviously.
Will have to see what can do with the stuff that I wanna sell and go from there.
A more 'custom' LP type is the goal though :twisted:
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This isn't making my wife any happier :(
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This isn't making my wife any happier :(
Wives are seldom happy, tolerant is the best we can truely hope for.
Rob...
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^
:drink:
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Jon/Feline,
on a slightly diff. note, ya may wanna change ya sig. slightly as the website does not work (link) as is. The 'repairs' bit is too close in tag line.
And whats the Red LP going for then? :P
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Any sign of the Edwards yet lp_man????
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Uh-huh - just found a new section on the Edwards website. I've GOT to get one of these :o
(http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/original/E-LP-85CD_P.jpg)
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Ok any excuse to post my favorite edwards!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Moonlitfire/Guitars%20-%20Amps/DS00175100_2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Moonlitfire/Guitars%20-%20Amps/DS00175100_3.jpg)
I just restrung the RV-138 this morning and she plays amazingly.
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Awesome!
I've contacted Ishibashi about the LP Custom with P-90s and it's out of stock until December :( I can pay up front now and they'll guarantee me one from their next delivery, but I'll be £380 out of pocket for around 3 months :o
So do I bite the bullet and order one, or wait until December and hope I can get one??????
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doesn't the Edwards have something to do with ESP?
or so I've heard
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Jon/Feline,
on a slightly diff. note, ya may wanna change ya sig. slightly as the website does not work (link) as is. The 'repairs' bit is too close in tag line.
And whats the Red LP going for then? :P
Thanks Dakine
Simple change made all the difference
The Red Lp which we would normally make for £1850-1900 and has been up for grabs at £1699 we will now sell for £1299 to make way for some new stuff
It now has the Earvana nut and sounds brilliant...
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doesn't the Edwards have something to do with ESP?
or so I've heard
Yep, they're made by ESP and are part of the ESP Japan range.
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Ok any excuse to post my favorite edwards!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Moonlitfire/Guitars%20-%20Amps/DS00175100_2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Moonlitfire/Guitars%20-%20Amps/DS00175100_3.jpg)
I just restrung the RV-138 this morning and she plays amazingly.
Wow awesome version of a Horizon Custom
I used to own one back in 1990- lovely looker
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Jon/Feline,
on a slightly diff. note, ya may wanna change ya sig. slightly as the website does not work (link) as is. The 'repairs' bit is too close in tag line.
And whats the Red LP going for then? :P
Thanks Dakine
Simple change made all the difference
The Red Lp which we would normally make for £1850-1900 and has been up for grabs at £1699 we will now sell for £1299 to make way for some new stuff
It now has the Earvana nut and sounds brilliant...
If can sell my Axis and Custom SG and maybe Boss GT8 will be ALL over that (not into red but hey, it's a Feline :) )
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:D
"Dear William,
This is Hiroaki from Ishibashi WEB SHOP.
Your order(s) has been shipped out today on 13th September by EMS."
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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EMS, ooh err!
Emergency Medical Services eek!
Oh yeah, not in US right now, phew :P
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That's one of the Edward's that I've been lusting after, but she ain't cheap :(
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Nice one lp_man- I'm waiting on your review with bated breath!!!
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:D
"Dear William,
This is Hiroaki from Ishibashi WEB SHOP.
Your order(s) has been shipped out today on 13th September by EMS."
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Fantastic I dealt with Horoaki at Ishibashi as well! :D
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It arrived today...
:o
Wow...
Even though I don't like JB pickups in Lp's much, it sounds pretty damn good!
The thing that struck me first of all was the construction of the thing! Not a flaw in the binding - ANYWHERE! Completely square binding with a orange tint which gives it a really nice aged look. The thing plays absolutely flawlessly, even though the action is slightly too high. Floors epiphone, no questions asked.
Comparing to the ObG however...I need a bit more time to decide :p
I'm still up in arms about EMG's or MM humbuckers at the minute. One thing is for sure, they are getting replaced :)
I'll do a full review when I've had some more time with it.
-Will
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Superb - looking foward to the full review!
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Here it is:
"E-LP-90LTC Review
Intro:
It arrived today, the guitar I have been waiting for!! An Edwards E-LP-90LTC in black to come knocking at my door! I have only been playing it for a couple hours so I will be updating this at the bottom with corrections if I change my mind or find out anything new. Enjoy!
Finish:
Ok the finish is quite an odd one here, it isn’t gloss but satin apparently, I was expecting more of a matt finish but I wouldn’t call this satin, it is more a mixture of satin and gloss. It is a nice touch because the neck isn’t as sticky as most Lp’s, but I still wouldn’t have minded it either way. The binding is what struck me at first - the thing is bloody flawless! Not one bubble, not one glue mark, not one area where the scr@ping has gone too far into the body or too far into the binding. Flawless. The nut is bound too which is a very nice addition. For me, there is a few ways of telling an exceptionally good finish, the corners of the headstock and anywhere that the binding joins itself i.e. the back corner of the guitar and where the body binding joins the neck. Again; beautiful. It beats the ObG on this, the headstock binding actually goes below the nut and covers the sides of it, it may be a small feature but it adds up! The frets were all fitted correctly and are exceptionally well done. As for the finish itself, I don’t know much about it, the guitar is from the ‘Lacquer taste’ series, so I don’t know if that means it is the traditional nitro-cellular finish or a new deviation from it. Sorry for the lack of info there! Whatever it is, its bloody nice!
Electronics:
For a guitar this cheap, its bloody astounding! A Seymour Duncan SH-4 (JB model) in the bridge and a SH-1n (59’ model) in the neck. Over here in the UK these cost about £70 each new if you don’t know where to look. These are good pickups, they aren’t to my tastes though, I could live with a JB in the bridge, it’s a nice balanced pickup, which can do a wide array of tones, but the neck leaves a lot to be desired. That may however be because I’m used to £90 hand wound Bare Knuckle Pickups in the neck of my ObG. The JB/59 combo is considered the ‘standard’ in replacement pickups and is quite popular in the guitar world and if you don’t want the hassle of replacing pickups, chances are you won’t need to. As for the other electronics, the 3-way toggle is top notch, the pots are fine and there are even ceramic disc caps for the tone pots (again, not a huge feature but it’s a sign of quality). I have also heard that you can de-solder the gold covers and get zebra open coiled pickups, but I’m not going to try that at this stage!
Playability:
From the box this guitar was a dream to play, even though the action is slightly high for my tastes. It came brand new with strings that weren’t stretched in so took a bit of wearing in to get the tuning stable. I’m pretty sure they are 10 gauge strings but I have no method of checking, they feel like 10’s anyway. It feels tougher to play with than the ObG at the moment, but that will be a combo of the slightly high action and new strings.
Machine heads & Hardware:
The gold keystone style tuning pegs have a ‘Grotoh’ marking on the back of them and look a lot like the ones on my ObG, the stop tail bar on the ObG in fact has Grotoh on the underside and I’m betting that the Edwards does too. The bars both are thicker and rounder than the standard Gibson ones but essentially do the same job. Either way, I really like the Grotoh hardware and would say it is top notch. I’m really picky when it comes to guitars and one thing that I thought was a cost cutting measure at first was the screws that they used to hold the strap pins in and the pickup rings in place. They aren’t gold coated, they are that yellow-y colour (I think it might be called Muntz metal, but I’m not sure) that you often get on those allen keys for building furniture (at this point I bet I’m loosing you lot!) but it was actually quite a cool idea for them to do so, let me explain!
On the ObG (which is 16 years old now) the screws surrounding the pickup rings have turned black with age and have started to erode, making it extremely difficult to remove them. I have allen keys from way over 10 years ago which show no signs of rust at all. If this is what I think it is for – well done Edwards!
Neck:
The neck compared to the ObG is pretty much the same, quite wide and chunky but feels ever so slightly thicker, it is a nice playing neck – great to grab hold of and bash out some powerful chords! It isn’t a fast neck like an Ibanez and if you want to shred all the time then this probably isn’t for you, but for lead and rhythm tones nothing can beat a Les Paul for my kind of music and the tone that I look for, and I can solo quite well on it because I’m used to it. It has a mahogany neck with an Ebony board and like most lp’s it has a set neck. I still haven’t checked whether it has a set neck or not, but I think it does. I’ll have to get back to you when I change the Pu’s.
Wood:
The guitar has a mahogany back with a hard maple top. This is where it gets really subjective! The tone is similar to the ObG, but seems more upper-mid defined unlike the lower mids of the ObG. The difference is only slight, and when playing live or even in the studio I doubt anyone would notice. In my opinion, if you have a good constructed guitar with good wood you have a winner. This guitar has excellent wood and excellent construction, this guitar IS a huge bargain, even considering the tax you have to pay to get them imported, if you visit Japan, you can get one of these for around £350, now doesn’t that just make you hate the fact you don’t live there!
Conclusion:
I’ve only been playing this guitar for a few hours, but there is no doubt it is a fantastic guitar with fantastic value! With this and the ObG combined, I would have had enough money for one Gibson Les Paul standard and that is including the money I spent on upgrading the pickups (£130 on the ObG, £160-190 aprox on the Edwards, but the SD pickups will get at least £80 when I sell them!). Out of the Gibbo LP’s I have played, these two both kick their collective asses.
$%&# you Gibson, I’m going to live in Japan!"
Pics comming soon, any questions feel free. I'm a happy bunny at the moment :D
-Will
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$%&# you Gibson, I’m going to live in Japan!
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/news/20060816p2g00m0fe012000c.html
:) :)
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$%&# you Gibson, I’m going to live in Japan!
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/news/20060816p2g00m0fe012000c.html
:) :)
I heard about that, even the Japanese are suckers for the Gibbo logo :p
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Pictures speak louder than words...
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2321965750062961376rdRzJG
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2712457960062961376BsFozQ
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2881548720062961376icpows
This is the pic where you can see how well the binding joins together on the headstock
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2089109870062961376NogQWc
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2386869830062961376TazaCO
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2647589170062961376vfyalH
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2031382250062961376PziKHa
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2537167970062961376KKgIxe
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2470399000062961376Tkfpai
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2735712930062961376pFBdVa
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2130218370062961376JmiuzF
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2526240580062961376wgHJgt
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2022176610062961376hFCESo
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2022176610062961376hFCESo
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2007095050062961376gpiUIE
Enjoy!
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Looking good - but why haven't they yellowed the fingerboard binding???
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It has it on the sides that colour but I think the fretboard is finished in something different :)
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Inspired by this thread I went to take a look at some Edwards guitars yesterday, I didn't play one but had a close look at an LP custom and also a Gibson historic LP Custom at about 5 times the price. The Edwards was slightly different to yours, it was gloss rather than matt and had open zebra pups but the attention to detail was exactly as you say, perfect! The Gibson was nice but it certainly didn't look like it was worth the extra cash, of course the truth is in the playing and I was more interested in trying the Eric Johnson Strat they had instead :)
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Wow, it's good to know that the guitar I'm currently lusting over (http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ishibashi.co.jp%2Fwebshop%2Fguitar%2Fesp%2Fedwards%2Ferv138.htm&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2
) is from a ridiculously good line. I was stunned by the specifications on the site- neck-thru construction, active EMGs and an ebony fingerboard for that price? So it's good to know that Edwards does that kind of thing with all their guitars. I love the Japanese.
Now I just need to somehow raise the money to purchase this bad beast :twisted:
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Wow, it's good to know that the guitar I'm currently lusting over (http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ishibashi.co.jp%2Fwebshop%2Fguitar%2Fesp%2Fedwards%2Ferv138.htm&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2
) is from a ridiculously good line. I was stunned by the specifications on the site- neck-thru construction, active EMGs and an ebony fingerboard for that price?
Not to mention official floyd rose trem! It does seem a fantastic value.
It's not on the ishibashi website but I really like the Kiko signature from Edwards :twisted:
Btw werent you after a 7 string :lol:
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Yeah, I get distracted really easily. My shopping list now features a Schecter C7 Hellraiser and this most wonderful Edwards :D Need to get a job badly... :D