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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Kepu on September 07, 2006, 02:04:54 PM

Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 07, 2006, 02:04:54 PM
In the ending part of Opeth - Demon Of The Fall there is this mellow riff but it sound like that right after the first guitar plays the riff, the other guitar plays the same riff right after it...
hard to explain, just listen to the song

so is it somekind of effect or just some trick they've done in the studio
cuz there's still 1 guitar playing the rythm in the background

I've only heard a bootleg version of the song live so I couldn't tell from it if the same effect was there

it sounds very cool so I thought if I could do the same
any help?
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Crazy_Joe on September 07, 2006, 02:41:46 PM
I don't get what you are saying.
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 07, 2006, 02:50:04 PM
yes, as i said its hard to explain
just listen to the song, and most preferably (sp?) the studio version
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 07, 2006, 03:08:06 PM
Do you mean the claean arpeggio section before the final post-grunge powerchord bit, or do you mean the outro?
I can only make out 2 guitars in either, the first time with chorus and delay, and the second time with phase and delay.
BTW, that was COMPLETE shite  :evil:  Find a better band to like  :P
Still, the only studio recording I could find on Youtube was over a funny martial arts anime, so it was bearable  :lol:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Antag on September 07, 2006, 03:56:34 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:


HEY! That's my all time favourite album you're talking about! :evil:
Title: Re: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Antag on September 07, 2006, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Kepu

so is it somekind of effect or just some trick they've done in the studio
cuz there's still 1 guitar playing the rythm in the background


I've not heard a live recording of it, but when I've seen them live it sounded like Mikael plays the melody with quite a long delay time to give it the "echo"

On the studio version, it's a lot more than two guitars :)  The melody is just played by two guitars (one following the other) & the riff by several :twisted:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Crazy_Joe on September 07, 2006, 04:15:04 PM
I have the studio version, are you talking about the acoustic guitars or that harmonised part before it?
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 07, 2006, 04:29:54 PM
its the part before outro acoustic
so the answer very long delay?

what is the pedal with the longest delay out there then? :P
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 07, 2006, 06:31:53 PM
Electro Harmonix 16 second delay is pretty long  :wink:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: lp_man on September 07, 2006, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
Electro Harmonix 16 second delay is pretty long  :wink:

How long is it?

Sorry had to make that joke :p
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 07, 2006, 08:16:55 PM
ehh... yeah it sure is plenty but i didnt really have in mind to spend $350 just to get to play one song :)
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 07, 2006, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben

BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:  Find a better band to like  


dude, them's fightin words.
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: lp_man on September 07, 2006, 08:28:48 PM
Anyone who hasn't heard it it is here: http://www.myspace.com/opeth  

It sounds to me like overdubbing. :)
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 07, 2006, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Davey
Quote from: Sifu Ben

BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:  Find a better band to like  


dude, them's fightin words.

 I've got 3 black belts  8)
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: willo on September 07, 2006, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
Quote from: Davey
Quote from: Sifu Ben

BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:  Find a better band to like  


dude, them's fightin words.

 I've got 3 black belts  8)


I've got one black belt, and this quite snazzy green one from Next, where you can turn the buckle upside down and use the colour on the other side of the belt. It's great.  :wink:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: chrisola on September 08, 2006, 12:26:55 AM
LOL genius.

:lol:




Opeth have more talent in their drummers arse sweat than most bands put together these days... ;)
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 08, 2006, 12:33:55 AM
Unfortunately it's a talent for pottery  :lol:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Petre on September 08, 2006, 03:01:34 AM
ah Opeth, have to sya they are my fav band of all time also. I always thought it was more guitars layered in the studio but cant remember when i saw them live. anyone seein em in november?  :wink: i know i am
Petre
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 08, 2006, 01:29:20 PM
Opeth came in Finland for 3 or 4 festivals but the other bands basically sucked so I didn't want to pay so much just to see one band

so... when they come to tour gigs in here I'll be sure to hit 'em
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 08, 2006, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
Quote from: Davey
Quote from: Sifu Ben

BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:  Find a better band to like  


dude, them's fightin words.

 I've got 3 black belts  8)


i got 6 black socks
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Fubar on September 09, 2006, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: Davey
[i got 6 black socks


SSHHHHHhhh! Never mention an even number of socks out loud, the odd-sock fairies will hear and come and steal one in the night!  :|
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 09, 2006, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: Fubar
Quote from: Davey
[i got 6 black socks


SSHHHHHhhh! Never mention an even number of socks out loud, the odd-sock fairies will hear and come and steal one in the night!  :|


oh, i dont care.. they are all the same so i mix & match all the time
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: steve on September 10, 2006, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
Quote from: Davey
Quote from: Sifu Ben

BTW, that was COMPLETE shitee  :evil:  Find a better band to like  


dude, them's fightin words.

 I've got 3 black belts  8)


I have a black belt and the boots to match!
Lets not get into slating other peoples choice of music/bands, or ill start
my Hanson thread again.
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 10, 2006, 07:18:43 PM
Yeah, I was just a little cranky after having to sit through over 8 minutes of growling and sludge to hear 15 seconds of music.
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: deg0ey on September 10, 2006, 08:11:06 PM
I never really understood Opeth - Mainly 'cause it's all screaming (sorry, bad joke)

But yeah, not my choice of music

Quote from: chrisola
Opeth have more talent in their drummers arse sweat than most bands put together these days...


If you want to talk about talented drummers, I wouldn't rate the Opeth guy too highly - he can keep time, and has the basic metal going on and it's passable but not amazing to my mind (although I have only heard 3 of their songs)

An example of a drummer I would describe as talented can be found here (http://www.mysharefile.com/v/2229900/2_1_Dan_Solo.mp3.html) :drink:

Sorry if this post seemed aggressive, it wasn't supposed to be - love to all! :lol:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 10, 2006, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: deg0ey
I never really understood Opeth - Mainly 'cause it's all screaming (sorry, bad joke)


o.O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5zAi7DC15M&mode=related&search=opeth


the drummer aint neal peart, but he's good.. well.. he got the boot cos of drug abuse.
they got a new one. last name; Axenrot... of bloodbath previously i believe.


and that is the most metal name ever! Axe n' Rot! LOL


but seriously. opeth rules, whether you like the music or not
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: _tom_ on September 10, 2006, 09:52:57 PM
^cheers for posting that video Davey, havent heard that one before. Really like that solo and the tone :D
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Petre on September 11, 2006, 12:55:53 AM
yea, great solo on TRTD,

and hey about the drummers talent :P Listen to "the grand conjuration". Song focuses heavily on drums  :wink:

and hey growling and sludge?  :roll: . Probably oen of the few bands that really use growling to put across powerful emotions, and quite frankly, the guitar work (yes even the heavy as sh!t parts) are actually amazing. I love every riff  :D . and 8 mins to get 15 secs of "music". Sorry but just because its not your taste does not mean its not music  :? . Personally, i feel more emotion from Demon of the Fall than pretty much any other song. Just listen close, read the lyrics as you go, and just feel all the emotion. The discordant heavy riffery makes me feel like tearing out a loved ones heart, while the melodic ending makes me want to sob..... well not sob but its just damn powerful  :P

Sorry bit of a rant, but Opeth really are the pinnacle of amazing songwriting in my opinion.

Petre  :wink:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Sifu Ben on September 11, 2006, 02:12:08 AM
I meant the 15 seconds he wanted us to listen to  :roll:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 11, 2006, 11:50:24 AM
To Rid The Disease :oops:
love the song

In My Time Of Need is the best song off Damnation imo tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoY5NU6Aas4
very emotional and kinda depressing

and about Demon Of The Fall, imo its one of the Opeth's most emotional songs if u understand it, but if u dont, then its just some random growling


and then about Martin Lopez, he is a kickass drummer! I don't know about Axenrot cuz I havn't heard any of his drumming
so if u want to hear some awesome drumming check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsO94_22Bgs

(you can also see Martin Mendez's weird headbanging there :P)
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Petre on September 11, 2006, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Sifu Ben
I meant the 15 seconds he wanted us to listen to  :roll:


Lol my bad  :oops:

Much love
Petre

[edit]- Personally 'weakness' is my fav off damnation, i never got into "in my time of need"
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Hell Hound on September 13, 2006, 04:44:04 PM
Best Opeth song ever -> The Drapery Falls
It's so ridiculously good... pure prog orgasm!
On the subject, the end part of Demon is pure overdub me think.
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 13, 2006, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: Hell Hound
Best Opeth song ever -> The Drapery Falls

one of the best songs EVER written!!
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Hell Hound on September 13, 2006, 06:17:10 PM
So true :!:
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Kepu on September 13, 2006, 06:38:54 PM
The Drapery Falls is some serious asskicking

but Ghost Of Perdition is my fav from Opeth
seriously, its 99% perfect!!
the 1% goes away cuz of the disturbing intro :P
Title: Is it effect or just studio trick?
Post by: Davey on September 13, 2006, 09:00:05 PM
Quote from: Kepu
The Drapery Falls is some serious asskicking

but Ghost Of Perdition is my fav from Opeth
seriously, its 99% perfect!!
the 1% goes away cuz of the disturbing intro :P

lol, dont let nuntius hear ya, he hates that song.

baying of the hounds is awesome too..


heck, pretty much all opeth RULES