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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Kepu on September 11, 2006, 01:03:45 PM

Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 11, 2006, 01:03:45 PM
I'm interrested in making music of my own, and since no one near my hometown enjoys the same kind of music as I do so I decided to get a one-man band going

the thing is that I need a good drum machine which I could use to make some complex drumming parts for the songs

so what is the best drum machine for computer?
and the more realistic sounds, the better
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Davey on September 11, 2006, 05:46:28 PM
Drum Kit From Hell


used by someone who knows what they are doing, you cant distinguish between real drums or programed drums.

you need a program such as cubase to write it with (you write a midi score, which then triggers the drum sounds)

TwilightOdyssey has a lot more experience with it, since he uses it for demos
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on September 11, 2006, 05:47:59 PM
You have 3 choices:

Drumkit From Hell

BFM

Reason

Reason includes the sequencer you will need to run the drum programming part; the other 2 will require another program to run them, like Cubase, Sonar, Pro Tools, Digital Performer, etc.
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 12, 2006, 02:20:38 PM
Oh, haha... I didn't remember that I already got Reason
so yeah, I got it, but do you think the Reason Drum Kit 2.0 would be better than the "normal" Reason?

Also, as I'm playing kinda progressive metal, there's some great effects in Reason I could use
but my only concern is that in Reason, the time is kinda hard to keep if I use some drum fills and so on, so is there some kind of trick to keep in time or something?

I don't know about the 2 other choices but I'll check them out
thanks for the replies guys!


PS. Davey, your avatar reminds me everytime I look at it, of Alexi Laiho off Children of Bodom :P
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on September 12, 2006, 02:42:25 PM
Quote from: Kepu
Oh, haha... I didn't remember that I already got Reason
so yeah, I got it, but do you think the Reason Drum Kit 2.0 would be better than the "normal" Reason?

Don't know.

Quote
Also, as I'm playing kinda progressive metal, there's some great effects in Reason I could use but my only concern is that in Reason, the time is kinda hard to keep if I use some drum fills and so on, so is there some kind of trick to keep in time or something?

Nope, just practice! You need to know note values for drum fills to work properly. If you're playing progressive metal, this shouldn't be too difficult a task. PDT_008

Seriously, the only way to really get a handle on it is to do it, and then do it again until you get it right. There is no magic drum fill fairy that will write the fills for you!
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 12, 2006, 02:59:15 PM
damn... I always believed in fairies

so yeah, practice practice practice
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on September 12, 2006, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: Kepu
damn... I always believed in fairies

LOL ... then listen to Rhapsody! :D
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 12, 2006, 03:29:46 PM
naah, I'd rather larp as an elf and listen to Blind Guardian - I'm Alive
seriously, I couldn't hold my laugh when I checked out the lyrics
"I run through the dark fields of the plains. Reach level 99."
:lol:
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: hunter on September 12, 2006, 04:30:39 PM
The best tool for you will be Live from Ableton, as you can punch in and out loops at anytime and they will always start and play in sync.

Live can do that with any audio loop and can be remote controlled via Midi (e.g. a foot pedal) to punch in parts and or loops.
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 12, 2006, 04:39:27 PM
ummm... I checked out Ableton's website but I didn't quite got how to use it
could explain a bit more cuz im interested, thanks :wink:
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: willo on September 12, 2006, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: hunter
The best tool for you will be Live from Ableton, as you can punch in and out loops at anytime and they will always start and play in sync.

Live can do that with any audio loop and can be remote controlled via Midi (e.g. a foot pedal) to punch in parts and or loops.


Is Abletone Live the thing you get free with an M-Audio 18/14 (or whatever it is called)?
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: hunter on September 12, 2006, 05:40:11 PM
The full version is 499 I guess, so prob not included, maybe Live Light or sth.

It's a great programm, very modern user interface and very different but easy approach.
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: hunter on September 12, 2006, 05:41:12 PM
Quote from: Kepu
ummm... I checked out Ableton's website but I didn't quite got how to use it
could explain a bit more cuz im interested, thanks :wink:

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/02/16/ableton_intro.html
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Skybone on September 12, 2006, 06:14:18 PM
Alesis SR16, it's old (and cheap now), but it's still based on real drum samples (16 bit) and dead easy to program.
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Davey on September 12, 2006, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: Kepu

PS. Davey, your avatar reminds me everytime I look at it, of Alexi Laiho off Children of Bodom :P
:?
i kinda went for the jeff hanneman wannabe lookalike LMAO
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: LiamH on September 12, 2006, 11:20:27 PM
I have no idea what sounds good from a professional point of view but I bought a little drum machine for my mac called doggiebox, it is simple enough for a fool like me to get great sounds out of. The kits sound very natural and are not "dance" orientated.
My advice is, if you are going to use your computer, that you download demo's and see what suits.
Title: Drum Machines
Post by: Kepu on September 13, 2006, 01:28:12 PM
I think I'll just stick with Reason

I have no idea about the other drum machines but cuz Reason can use samples, you can get realistic drum sounds

thanks for the replies everybody! :wink:



EDIT: well, I probably should get the Reason Drum Kits 2.0
check out this:
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/refills/samples/ReasonDrumKits_Hard-harder.mp3

it's a sound clip for the program, and I'm pretty sure NOBODY would know the difference between real drummer and that if they didn't knew :wink: