Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: willo on September 11, 2006, 06:58:29 PM
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Righty, I'm about to sell my JCM800; spec is:
Marshall JCM800 2203
2x12 combo
100W
from 1987
good condition.
How much money should I be looking at asking?
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Well you could sell it to me for £70 :)
Seriously though, when I was looking on ebay for one I saw some of the 50w 1x12's (I think they were 1x12 anyway) going for about £350 ish I think, so maybe around there or more as its more powerful and an extra speaker..
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I remember when I bought it I got it for £350 and everyone commented that it was a steal - I particularly remember HJM (where is he?) saying that it was probs worth about £100-150 more. So I'm thinking of selling for around £450?
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if it's the 2203 single channel version.. it's worth a fortune.
if it's one of the dual channel 800's it's worth 350 quid..
www.musicground.com - contact them they'll give u a value for it.
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if it's the 2203 single channel version.. it's worth a fortune.
if it's one of the dual channel 800's it's worth 350 quid..
www.musicground.com - contact them they'll give u a value for it.
single/dual channel?
Do you mean as in switchable channels? It doesn't have that, only two seperate inputs - high & low sensitivity.
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The wierd thing is that the combos do generally only fetch around £350 while the head versions sometimes fetch twice that amount depending on condition and year.
It should go on ebay if you put it up for a buy it now price of £400 - maybe gamble at £450 and start it with no reserve at £395.
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I guess heads are just more desirable - after all, the famous JCM800 users are typically pictured in front of a stack, not a combo...
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£400 plus I reckon
i have the 2205 split channel and I love it
The 2203 is a classic as a head but to be fair the combo is killer too
You can always mount the chassis as a head - as long as you dont mind upside down writing
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:D Why selling ? [ just interested to no ]
:D 8)
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:D Why selling ? [ just interested to no ]
:D 8)
Well, I think I've finally been working out my own 'thing' on guitar. So, in my main band, the band I started, we play post-rock, kinda avant-garde, proggy improvised thing. Reference points would be Tortoise, Fugazi, Nels Cline, Marc Ribot and a bit of Zappa. For this, I have my amp set at a slight break up, most of the leads come from fuzzes. I don't need all the overdrive that the JCM800 can give, I would rather have a more pristine clean. Basically, I only need the next amp to get to about half the overdrive of the 800! I also want to use more textures and loops in this band, the 800 is not brilliantly receptive to this for me!
I play in another band, which is more song-oriented and has (shock) singers and stuff. The 800 is fine for this.
I've also been writing some more jazzy stuff on my own, stuff in a Bill Frisell style. I really need damn good cleans for this.
Since my drummer got a new car (a Mini) and I couldn't fit the combo in with the rest of my gear, I've been looking at upgrading to a head/half stack set up. It's also caused me to look at my sound more critically. Much as I love the 800, I just think I need something more adaptable.
Anyway, essay over! :D
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Willo, sounds like you'd get on well with a 50w plexi.
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Willo, sounds like you'd get on well with a 50w plexi.
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hmm...I always liked the lead tones. What about the cleans? Do you think a 100W might be better for the cleans? (as in a 100W superlead)
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:D How much money have you got to invest in the new amp ? ontop of what you get for the 800 ?
:D 8)
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I reckon I'm figuring about £1000 wages + the money from the 800 to get an amp and cab (if we go down that route). This is the big one - wanna make sure I get the right thing!
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:D Check out Sheldon they do great sounding clean amps. The Gain on them is that just breaking up type. The True Tone range sounds like it might be up your street.
:D 8)
http://www.sheldonamps.com/
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To be honest my Fender HRDx has some nice clean/just breaking up kinda tones but needs a hotplate past volume 2 otherwise its just too loud for most stuff :lol:
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Cheers, will do. I've known about Sheldon for a while - but now they finally have clips on their website!
I think they might be a little out of my price range, though. :?
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:D Havn`t checked there prices for a while so
:D 8)
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- I particularly remember HJM (where is he?) saying that it was probs worth about £100-150 more.
He seems to be full time on the Matamp forum ("Van Hayden") answering most of their technical queries. Also he has started winding/selling his own pickups so probably thinks it inappropriate to contribute to what is now 'competition'. If you look under the Buy/Sell/Trade section of the Matamp forum (15/8/2006) he's selling all his BKPs :cry:
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- I particularly remember HJM (where is he?) saying that it was probs worth about £100-150 more.
He seems to be full time on the Matamp forum ("Van Hayden") answering most of their technical queries. Also he has started winding/selling his own pickups so probably thinks it inappropriate to contribute to what is now 'competition'. If you look under the Buy/Sell/Trade section of the Matamp forum (15/8/2006) he's selling all his BKPs :cry:
oh my, a traitor! ¬¬
I'd like to ask him what he thinks he can do that BKP can't
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^I read his for sale thread on the Matamp forum saying he thinks his pickups are better than BK :o
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It's all personal opinion isn't it! I've spoken to Hayden about it and his preferences are different to Tims. Note I say different, not better. It's horses for courses!
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It's all personal opinion isn't it! I've spoken to Hayden about it and his preferences are different to Tims. Note I say different, not better. It's horses for courses!
Yeh I agree - even so I think he's very brave and will have to produce something very special to persuade guitarists to choose his pickups over BKP.
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Willo, sounds like you'd get on well with a 50w plexi.
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hmm...I always liked the lead tones. What about the cleans? Do you think a 100W might be better for the cleans? (as in a 100W superlead)
a 100w will definately give you more headroom for clean tones - depends how loud you're gonna be playing.
ever tried an AC30? - they have a gorgeous clean tone and respond VERY well to fuzzboxes.
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Willo, sounds like you'd get on well with a 50w plexi.
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hmm...I always liked the lead tones. What about the cleans? Do you think a 100W might be better for the cleans? (as in a 100W superlead)
a 100w will definately give you more headroom for clean tones - depends how loud you're gonna be playing.
ever tried an AC30? - they have a gorgeous clean tone and respond VERY well to fuzzboxes.
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Nah, never tried an AC30. They have some Custom Classics in Sound Control and Guitar Guitar in town. I've read some good things about the CC series, but then I've also read that they don't sound like the originals. I realise I should be trying them for myself, but I'm up to my eyeballs with work at the minute. Any opinions on either the CC or the old ones?
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The classic AC30 is probably only really counts for about the 4 years up to 1967, due to ownership and different models being built for the US market and general wierdness.
From what has been written the current CC is pretty close to the original but with a greater range of sounds. Most of the sound issue seems to revolve around the tremolo circuit sounding different.
The guys over in the rickenbacker site are really enjoying the current AC30 range, especially with topboost and a booster engaged. Infact their only real issue (apart from the price of the when celesteon blues are installed) is it's too loud
You could consider hiwatt or even look an old selmer (treble & bass) both of which react well to pedals or even a Fender as they appear to have got their act together over the last few years.
Rob...
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The Laney LC30 represents good vlue as well - looks rather like an AC30 too
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The Laney LC30 represents good vlue as well - looks rather like an AC30 too
but does it sound like it?
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The Laney VC30 isn't a million miles off-not like the AC30's I remember but good enough.
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Stay away from the Custom Classic AC30s, poor build quality and reliability on those things.
The reissue AC30 is a great amp - you can have chimey clean/crunch out of the top boost channel or alternatively slam a treble-booster pedal into the normal channel for some Brian May esque tones (yum).
One thing though, you really need to get the model with the blues for the best AC30 tone (imo). The other alternative is to stick some G12H-30s in there but don't use Greenbacks in an open cab (flubby bass) - I don't care for the reissue GB's in general.
As for an original, you should easily pick one up for under a grand. What you need to ensure is that it's not been ragged all over the place - the heat in an AC30 chassis means that some old ones have the wax dripping out of the transformers (not good).
Another route is to buy an oldie in need of repair and buy some repro transformers - I did this and used OEI iron, that was an AWESOME AC30 and just loved fuzz pedals (esp Big Muffs, yum!)
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Stay away from the Custom Classic AC30s, poor build quality and reliability on those things.
The reissue AC30 is a great amp - you can have chimey clean/crunch out of the top boost channel or alternatively slam a treble-booster pedal into the normal channel for some Brian May esque tones (yum).
One thing though, you really need to get the model with the blues for the best AC30 tone (imo). The other alternative is to stick some G12H-30s in there but don't use Greenbacks in an open cab (flubby bass) - I don't care for the reissue GB's in general.
As for an original, you should easily pick one up for under a grand. What you need to ensure is that it's not been ragged all over the place - the heat in an AC30 chassis means that some old ones have the wax dripping out of the transformers (not good).
Another route is to buy an oldie in need of repair and buy some repro transformers - I did this and used OEI iron, that was an AWESOME AC30 and just loved fuzz pedals (esp Big Muffs, yum!)
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I thought the reissue ac30 was the custom classic? Or am I - and I don't discount this possibility :wink: - confused?
Where do they sell these magical amplifiers? How can I try one?
As for old ones, HTH - or anyone - know where I can find one? HTH - anything around Newcastle?
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I've just had a look on the Vox website and they no longer make a straight up reissue of the Top-Boost AC30 :x
To get an idea of what an AC30 can do you could try one of the Custom Classic models - Sounds Live in town definately have one but I'd imagine both Sound Control and Guitar Guitar will have 'em too.
If you like the tone I would advise hunting out a Korg-era reissue (Marshall made 'em in the Milton Keynes factory). They are well made and sound equal to a vintage AC30 with some decent valves in there.
here's a tasty one... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-JMI-Vox-AC30-6-early-60s-amp-and-chassis_W0QQitemZ110030557597QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (it's been serviced by a local Newcastle tech called Bernard maughan, he knows his onions that guy)
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For more clean headroom and more of a Marshall flavour due to the use of EL34s, the AC50 is worth considering... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320025086796&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting
Vintage AC50s are also very reasonably priced compared to AC30s :D
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Thanks for the info!
That first one looks pretty tasty but I'm concerned about the idea of 'parts have been replaced over the years'; it's a lot of money for something that may not have much in common with it's original state IMO.
The second one - the AC50 - actually looks like it could be a really good buy but time is running out on that auction and I don't want to be rushed into it! Also, concerned about delivery prices from Paris.
I'll check out the Custom Classic probably in town - where is 'Sounds Live'? Is there some guitar shop I have missed? :o I'm also fancying trying out a Zinky and a Rivera too, and maybe a Cornell amongst others.
I heard about Maughan amps a while back - I read the review of his amp in Guitarist and they had one for sale in that little guitar shop in town, just off High Bridge with RPM Records and that. Looks like the man knows his stuff!
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Willo, that first AC30 with the replaced parts - you can call that 'maintenance'. The board lools like it's had some caps and resistors replaced and that's a good thing - someone (Maughan) has obviously took the time to check it out and replace anything that's f*cked.
Also checkout Selmer T&B heads - they're 50w non master volume heads that are tonally somewhere between a Marshall and a Vox (very nice amps). You should easily get one for £250, maybe £150 on a good day.
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Also checkout Selmer T&B heads - they're 50w non master volume heads that are tonally somewhere between a Marshall and a Vox (very nice amps). You should easily get one for £250, maybe £150 on a good day.
The Selmer was used by Syd Barrett on Saucer full of secrets and the singles.
Rob...
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Also checkout Selmer T&B heads - they're 50w non master volume heads that are tonally somewhere between a Marshall and a Vox (very nice amps). You should easily get one for £250, maybe £150 on a good day.
The Selmer was used by Syd Barrett on Saucer full of secrets and the singles.
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yep, probably their most famous use on record appart from The Animals' useage on House Of The Rising Sun - Barrett's tone/touch is far superior though.
I used to gig with two Selmer T&B mkII heads, awesome amps - just pin them on ten and away you go.
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yep, probably their most famous use on record appart from The Animals' useage on House Of The Rising Sun - Barrett's tone/touch is far superior though.
I should have said Piper not Saucerfull but I was distracted by my dead laptop.
I'l love the selmer tone at a lower volume, I did consider putting together a emulator but once again time and engergy where missing.
I'm still thinking that some ac30 style amp would be suitable from willo's description (or perhaps hiwatt with a booster infront of it) Things are bad if I'm trying to stay on topic :)
Rob...
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if it's the 2203 single channel version.. it's worth a fortune.
Don't forget to add vertical inputs... but even then one should expect to pay starting at $800usd for one... I've seen them sell for up to $1100usd and I've seen people ask up to $1300usd but I don't think they ever get it... it's considered overpriced.