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Forum Ringside => Tech => Topic started by: Canadian Steve on September 18, 2006, 10:44:17 PM

Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Canadian Steve on September 18, 2006, 10:44:17 PM
Hi, I was wondering if I put a tone-sucking effect (such as my Digitech Whammy pedal) through the effects loop would it still suck tone?  If I got it made true bypass would it make a difference being in the loop? :crzy:
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Brow on September 18, 2006, 11:13:12 PM
I personally wouldn't put a pedal such as a Whammy in an FX loop.

It'd be a far better option (in my opinion atleast) to put the Whammy in a true bypass loop infront of the amp. That way, it's only in your signal chain when you want it to be.

Craig
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Canadian Steve on September 18, 2006, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: Brow
I personally wouldn't put a pedal such as a Whammy in an FX loop.

It'd be a far better option (in my opinion atleast) to put the Whammy in a true bypass loop infront of the amp. That way, it's only in your signal chain when you want it to be.

Craig


Yeah, I used to run my first (modified true bypass) Whammy like that but I don't like running effects like that + other modulation pedals before my amp's gain.
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Canadian Steve on September 20, 2006, 10:10:51 PM
What I'm basically asking is:

If I take *any* tone-sucking pedal and put it in my effects loop, will it still suck tone when off?
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: HTH AMPS on September 20, 2006, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Canadian Steve
What I'm basically asking is:

If I take *any* tone-sucking pedal and put it in my effects loop, will it still suck tone when off?


Put simply, yes (unless your effects loop is switchable).  One thing to consider though, many effects sound better into the front end of an amp rather than the effects loop - the Whamy is one such pedal.

 :twisted:
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on September 20, 2006, 11:46:47 PM
Certainly will if the loop is a series loop
I prefer parallel loops as a result for some things so at least some signal goes straight

There are some special boxes to convert a series loop to a parallel one
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: fps_dean on September 21, 2006, 07:44:47 AM
Quote from: Brow
I personally wouldn't put a pedal such as a Whammy in an FX loop.

It'd be a far better option (in my opinion atleast) to put the Whammy in a true bypass loop infront of the amp. That way, it's only in your signal chain when you want it to be.

Craig

True bypass is so overrated.  Without a buffer, you are limited in cable length to about 25 feet total befre you start getting tone loss.  With a buffer to change the impedance, you can run your cables for a lot longer, ideally 50 feet.  Just don't get a pedal that does anything more drastic than that, and the only tone altering that's occuring is in your head.

True bypass + tone loss so you can be "pure" in theory, or just use a buffer.... hmmmm
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Canadian Steve on September 21, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
I would only get a pedal made true bypass if it needed it.  Certain Whammy and Wah pedals definately need it.  I'm happy to live with my 3 Boss/Keeley pedals buffered bypass in my chain, as they aren't tone suckers.
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on October 26, 2006, 02:23:38 PM
NO, get it true bypassed! I dont care what anyone else says, it makes the world of difference, (but you have to have non humming leads to actually appreciate it aka George L) another option would be to buy a Keeley bypass looper switch. This is a device that turnes any non bypass type pedal into a 100% true bypass one! and it doesn't even need batteries. www.robertkeeley.com this guy is a genius.
Title: Effects Loop
Post by: Kilby on October 26, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
True bypass and buffered both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Choose what suits you best, and remember that not all pedals marked true bypass are true bypass either (mostly bypassed may be a better phrase), but look at the wiring (and circuit) diagrams yourself.

BTW I have to say that personally I would not judge the looper as a work of genius, it's a the competent use of a switch, the same as dozens of other fx builders have produced for so many years.

The Pete Cornish tube buffer is much closer to a work of genius, but how may of us have such requirements.

Rob...