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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: _tom_ on October 01, 2006, 05:44:33 PM
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Edit - Decided the best option is to just get a decent amp instead of buying loads of pedals, GH50L seems best bet so am now trying to decide on a cab to save up for.
So far the Marshall 1936 seems most suitable -
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/1936-2x12-cabinet/293
Opinions welcome :D
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What amp do you have Tom?
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Its a Fender Hot rod deluxe. Apparently it takes pedals pretty well whatever thats supposed to mean :P
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I wouldnt buy that pedal. My Metal Zone does that sound pretty damn well without the price hike. I'd go for your original suggestion - you can always add to it later (as I have done many, many times :lol: )
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I wouldnt buy that pedal. My Metal Zone does that sound pretty damn well without the price hike. I'd go for your original suggestion - you can always add to it later (as I have done many, many times :lol: )
Yeah thats the thing, I've heard that clip which sounds really bad... yet all the other clips I've heard are great, but its just the thought "what if it sounds like that bad one :o " in the back of my head :lol:
Hopefully someone who has a Power Screamer can help as to what it sounds like on a nice clean valve amp such as my Fender.
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I have a Blues Jnr with a Jensen speaker upgrade and the HBE Powerscreamer sounds pretty damn good - it can add nice crunch to the proceedings - I also have an English Muff'n (which I like alot as a low distortion drive) but I haven't really experimented with it and the Blues Junior.
I could record some clips but not till next Friday.
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_tom_, can you not play either pedal before buying?
If so, I would say: buy from a place that will allow you to exchange it for the other if you do not like it.
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The bands you mention all use Marshalls, and you are trying to get a Marshall-y tone? My not try and find a Marshall Guv'nor or Drive Master pedal? Marshall stack tone in a box! I've recently been using my Drive Master at low levels and it's great for that "stack tone quietly" thing. I'll be using it into my Epiphone Valve Junior when I get it next week.
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I play a Power Screamer through my Fender Deluxe Reverb, and it's really nice. Gets that nice bluesy break-up tone, and it can get quite dirty when you need it to. The boost function is really useful too.
Having said all that, I would probably have tried out a Tonebone pedal before buying the Power Screamer. With the employed tube, it will clean up with the volume knob like a cranked amp will do.
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_tom_, can you not play either pedal before buying?
If so, I would say: buy from a place that will allow you to exchange it for the other if you do not like it.
No, thats the trouble. Theres no UK dealers with MI Audio or HBE I believe so its a gamble either way :( I was going to try a Power Screamer whilst in NY but Rudys didnt have any in stock and didnt know where any other guitar shops were (other than Sam Ash and Mannys as theyre on the same street :P)
Yeah Twinfan I love the classic Marshall rock/metal tone. I was thinking about buying a Drive Master a while ago and found one for cheap on ebay, but was outbid at the last minute :lol: How much gain do they have anyway?
Elliot, clips are always great :D How much gain does the Power Screamer have available, and where'd you buy yours from?
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Yeah Twinfan I love the classic Marshall rock/metal tone. I was thinking about buying a Drive Master a while ago and found one for cheap on ebay, but was outbid at the last minute :lol: How much gain do they have anyway?
They have enough for Iron Maiden type levels of gain. Not enough for full on thrash, but enough for most rock/metal tones.
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Mind you I do have to second the Guv'nor. I have the second version and love it, sounds great on humbuckers, but I hate it on single coils tbh (there again it aint that type of pedal)
I tend to see them go for about £25-35 s/h, there was a guy on the Guitarist forums who was selling one a while back. Would have bought it if I didnt already have one. :lol: They're also as tough as a Sherman Tank! :twisted:
I'd still get a Crunch box as well though :wink:
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Working in central London and being self employed I have the benefit of walking down to Vintage and Rare in Denmark Street on a quiet afternoon (they have an HBE dealership) - they always let you play their pedals, in fact V&R is one of the few shops I visit in Denmark Street.
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Oh I didnt know there were HB pedals in any shops in the UK.. I dont live anywhere near london but may be able to go for a trip there sometime to try out some stuff.
I had the newer version of the Guvnor (the GV2) and didnt really like it, I noticed it has a harsh kinda edge that I cant seem to dial out, other than that it wasnt too bad, though I found it kinda hard to get nice harmonics out of it and wasnt very "complex" I think is the phrase - sounds kinda flat to me.
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bought my Power Screamer here in deepest darkest Wiltshire.
London and Bath stock em, probably more too.
Joel is a GREAT guy. Email him and ask who has one ;)
heck if we could work it out somehow ya could borrow/trial mine.
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Email sent..
Twinfan, does the DriveMaster even sound good on a clean amp? Or is it one of those pedals which you have to use on an allready overdriven amp otherwise it'll sound flat and boring?
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music ground on denmark street normally stocks a few HBE pedals too (and lots of other brands too). I'm not a major fan of denmark street, but comparing pedals is one of its fortes...
I'd look at the big D too, it might do what you want- I think I prefer it to the power screamer too.
How badly do you want that marshall tone, though? if it's the only tone you want (it probably isn't, but you might as well tell us in black and white that it's not), you might want to look at changing your amp... not much point in buying loads of pedals that won't do the tone you want exactly, and then having to fork out for a new amp in the end anyway...
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Twinfan, does the DriveMaster even sound good on a clean amp? Or is it one of those pedals which you have to use on an allready overdriven amp otherwise it'll sound flat and boring?
Yeah, it sounds not bad. That's how I've been using it into my GH50L recently. You could use your Fender tube amp to get a nice full tone and then Marshall it up with a Drive Master.
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How badly do you want that marshall tone, though? if it's the only tone you want (it probably isn't, but you might as well tell us in black and white that it's not), you might want to look at changing your amp... not much point in buying loads of pedals that won't do the tone you want exactly, and then having to fork out for a new amp in the end anyway...
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Well yeah I was gonna go down the route of getting a new amp, but I really like the clean on the Fender so was hoping to get something that can just "Marshall it up" as Twinfan says :P
I still havent found a job aswell, so pedals are cheaper and easier to get for me at the minute :lol: I know theres not gonna be anything that sounds exactly like a "plexi on 11" or whatever but I'm thinkin there must be something that can get close-ish. Watching a DriveMaster on ebay so may bid on that depending on how high it goes.
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How badly do you want that marshall tone, though? if it's the only tone you want (it probably isn't, but you might as well tell us in black and white that it's not), you might want to look at changing your amp... not much point in buying loads of pedals that won't do the tone you want exactly, and then having to fork out for a new amp in the end anyway...
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Well yeah I was gonna go down the route of getting a new amp, but I really like the clean on the Fender so was hoping to get something that can just "Marshall it up" as Twinfan says :P
I still havent found a job aswell, so pedals are cheaper and easier to get for me at the minute :lol: I know theres not gonna be anything that sounds exactly like a "plexi on 11" or whatever but I'm thinkin there must be something that can get close-ish. Watching a DriveMaster on ebay so may bid on that depending on how high it goes.
Mind you, Carl Martin basically do plexi in a box. :? And they're great pedals. Try their Hot Drive N Boost mark3, or their Plexi Drive :wink:
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dude stop kidding urself. it's time to get a marshall. :roll:
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Too expensive though :( Will take me ages and I want a good sound asap which will do until I can get the real thing..
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Mind you, Carl Martin basically do plexi in a box. :? And they're great pedals. Try their Hot Drive N Boost mark3, or their Plexi Drive :wink:
cool, I haven't tried any CM pedals. if it does what you say, it's worth a look, that's for sure.
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Rudys didnt have any in stock and didnt know where any other guitar shops were (other than Sam Ash and Mannys as theyre on the same street :P)
You made 2 mistakes.
1 - You didn't call me, so I could steer you in the right direction.
2 - You went to Rudy's. They are pretentious @ssholes there, and they would not give a sale away to another shop.
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^haha!
"other guitar shops in new york? don't be daft, this is a small, close knit little place..."
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To be honest the people in Rudys seemed fine, and they have a nice selection of gear in there. Although I think chaining everything down seems a bit much :lol:
Edit - Anyone tried the catalinbread scod? The clips on the site are disgusting but I've seen a video of it played into a HRDx and it sounded pretty nice.
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Nope, but I own the Teaser Stallion and have owned the Super Chile Picoso, both are/were very nice pedals. There used to be different SCOD clips on the website that sounded a bit nicer, I though. You'd do well to check out the Emma Reezafratzitz, I think.
But in all honesty, if you're after a Marshall tone just buy a Marshall. You'll only end up buying one later on anyway. Realistically, you could buy an old Marshall for between £350-500, it's a fair bit of cash but so is £120 for an FX pedal...
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Hm yeah. The main problem is trying stuff out. None of the shops around here stock any old Marshalls (new ones seem a rip off) and I'm worried that if I buy one 2nd hand without trying then I may get a "bad" old one instead of one of the "good" ones..
That being said I'm gonna go to Patrick Reed today to see if they can get in a Laney GH50L that I can try as they have some of the VC series, and I've heard Laney get some good Marshally tones :)
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Tom - the GH50L is Marshall-y but it's not a Marshall. It's not as "mushed" a sound, it's clearer and more defined. The Marshall is a Les Paul and the Laney is a Superstrat (if you get my drift).
I love my GH50L, but I like the definition. Others will prefer the more compressed tone of a Marshall.
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How about one of the DHA VT1-Purist or VT2-Twin tube pedals? I bet they would do nicely...
Although you probably want a Marshall... I have had very good luck buying stuff off ebay and buying stuff before I really knew what I was getting into... just link it for me and I'll tell you if you should be wary of it or not ;)
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Tom - the GH50L is Marshall-y but it's not a Marshall. It's not as "mushed" a sound, it's clearer and more defined. The Marshall is a Les Paul and the Laney is a Superstrat (if you get my drift).
I love my GH50L, but I like the definition. Others will prefer the more compressed tone of a Marshall.
You're quite right. I think Marshall have more of a low end grunt to them too. I like that, like it a lot. :D
That particular Laney is getting great reviews by those that have tried and bought them over at the Guitarist forums and other places.
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Went to the shop today.. Didnt have any Laney heads in stock but had a used VC30 or 50, cant remember which. Sounded pretty nice to me tho I didnt get to crank it enough to really see what its like (bloody loud :D)..
Spoke to the guy there, he said that they can get the GH50L in no problem, just that hes wary of it as he doesnt want to order something in then have no one buy it. He reckons that if I like rock and liked the VC, I'll like the GH so should be good :P Gonna have a look around to see if anyone else has any in stock to try probably.. he also told me hes got a reissue 1987 and its the best Marshall he's ever played so... GAS :lol:
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Went to the shop today.. Didnt have any Laney heads in stock but had a used VC30 or 50, cant remember which. Sounded pretty nice to me tho I didnt get to crank it enough to really see what its like (bloody loud :D)..
the vc50 (now discontinued) is the combo of the vh100r, as far as I'm aware... the vc30 is totally different- it's a little like a vox ac30. I'd say it'd be worthwhile to ring the shop to find out which one you played (as long as they don't have both!).
I haven't tried the gh, but I'd guess it's a lot closer to the vh than the vc.
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Tom, if you're after a Marshall sound- get a Marshall- there's one on ebay thats going real cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marshall-JMP-MKII-Master-Model-100W-Lead-Amp-Head-1979_W0QQitemZ190035974412QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Tom, if you're after a Marshall sound- get a Marshall- there's one on ebay thats going real cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marshall-JMP-MKII-Master-Model-100W-Lead-Amp-Head-1979_W0QQitemZ190035974412QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If that hasnt been checked since the late 70s it would have been wise for him to do so before selling. :? Still, if the buyer is happy to do so then as long as it goes stupidly-cheap..
Tom could even buy a Marshall Valvestate like mine, it has a valve in the preamp but solid state powerstage. I use a vs65r and they go for stupid money as well. Cost me £306 brand new, but you can pick them up for 40 quid. :D
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I cant afford that just yet, in my bank I have about £100.. Tried valvestate and hated them, such a horrible tone.
Edit - ok so it wasnt the VC50 as it didnt look like this - (http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2685/p10100208tq.jpg)
Must be the VC30 then.. still it didnt sound anything like an AC30CC I played which was much harsher and sounded like "brang" when you hit a chord if that makes any sense :lol:
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With all respect Tom, if you've only got £100 in your bank, why are you even thinking about these final decisions?
Why not just save some more up, and then make the call.
I sincerely think that no matter what you do, or what you buy, at some point in the future you will end up buying that Marshall. So my advice would be to save as long as it takes and buy that Marshall now; otherwise you are just spending money you don't need to spend.
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Yeah I know, I wasnt really thinking about getting a new amp when I first made this thread though :lol: £100 is more than enough for one of the pedals.
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I cant afford that just yet, in my bank I have about £100.. Tried valvestate and hated them, such a horrible tone.
Edit - ok so it wasnt the VC50 as it didnt look like this - (http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2685/p10100208tq.jpg)
Must be the VC30 then.. still it didnt sound anything like an AC30CC I played which was much harsher and sounded like "brang" when you hit a chord if that makes any sense :lol:
were the knobs on the top of the amp (like a vox ac30 or your fender HRD) as opposed to the front panel? if so, it was probably a vc30...
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Yeah they were. I just found these 2 videos of a GH50L and it sounds awesome to me -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwzwNknA-HA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TYp43PVgY
May get em to order me in one nearer to my birthday as I'm pretty sure I'll like it.
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^ it probably was a vc30, then. unless there was some old version of the vc50 that had top panel controls...
are you sure it wasn't an lc30/50? i think their controls may be on the front panel, though...
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Yeah I looked for pics of the LC and their controls are on the front, so I'm pretty sure it was a VC30. Still weird as it didnt really sound anything like an AC30 to me, though I've only played one of the reissues.
Edit - HOLY MOTHER OF TONE! Check out this clip I just found from HC of the GH50L into a cornford cab (I think) http://www.5150uk.com/clips/Addicted.mp3
This has pretty much decided it for me I think, alas this thread is pointless again :harp:
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^ it only sound a little like an ac30, to be honest.. and it's the od channel that sounds most like it, from what I remember...
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Tom - the GH50L is Marshall-y but it's not a Marshall. It's not as "mushed" a sound, it's clearer and more defined. The Marshall is a Les Paul and the Laney is a Superstrat (if you get my drift).
I love my GH50L, but I like the definition. Others will prefer the more compressed tone of a Marshall.
You're quite right. I think Marshall have more of a low end grunt to them too. I like that, like it a lot. :D
That particular Laney is getting great reviews by those that have tried and bought them over at the Guitarist forums and other places.
Err, I think you'll find the Laney has more low end thump than a Marshall! Both my GH50L and my old Klipp have looooooooooads of bass - I have to roll right back to 1 or 2 for an Angus tone.
Tom - the second video you posted shows off the Laney tone really well. If I could play like that, that's how my GH50L would sound ;)
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haha ok, sounds like a winner. I think I'll trawl ebay throughout november as I dont really fancy paying RRP for a new amp from paddy reed..
Now I need to know which cab I should then save for :lol: I read on HC it doesnt really like V30s but apparently that Mr Big clip is with V30s and sounds great.
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I use mine with V30s and G12-75Ts. Sounds good to me...
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Edit - HOLY MOTHER OF TONE! Check out this clip I just found from HC of the GH50L into a cornford cab (I think) http://www.5150uk.com/clips/Addicted.mp3
This has pretty much decided it for me I think, alas this thread is pointless again :harp:
Yep, that sounds a bit like my Mule equipped GS-1 into my GH50L into my Marshall 2x12 with V30s. Well the rhythm stuff does, I can't play licks like that so I wouldn't know! The V30s have a pronounced midrange hump which comes out well on that clip, and I'm guesing the GH has a fair amount of mid dialled in too ;)
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Nice :D So excited about this amp now, and its still almost 2 months till my birthday :lol:
Hopefully I can save enough for a half decent cab beforehand so I dont have to wait ages to use the bloody thing (doubt dad will want to buy an expensive cab aswell even if it is my 18th :P)
What are the main differences between the V30 cab and G12-75t? I've found that the Marshall 1936 is pretty cheap and has the G12-75ts which you recommended http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/1936-2x12-cabinet/293
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the g1275t tends to sound a bit, er, shitee. IMO. the vintage 30 has a big mid hump thingy going on (which you may or may not get on with), and while pretty versatile, has quite a definite modern slant. Kind of like the engl of the speaker world- it's versatile, but there's no real denying that it's designed with modern tones in mind, but'll do the other tones pretty well.
In my opinion, of course. twin likes his g12t-75 (whatever the name is!), and he's probably right.
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Yeah I just heard fps_deans clips comparing the G12M-75's to the Classic Leads (not V30s but still) and the G12M seem so thin.. anyone know what cab comes stock with some Classic Lead speakers?
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^ i think one of the laney tt combos has a classic lead speaker. you'd need to check the laney website, though, because if I remember correctly, the 100 watt version has different speakers to the 50 watter...
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The Laney cab that is supposed to go with the GH50L has Celestion 70/80 which after reading a bit on HC people seem to say its a poor mans Classic Lead, but its brighter..
I'm watching a Marshall 1936 2x12 on ebay at the minute which has dthe G12-75T's in it which Twinfan uses and seems to like the tone. This is just as hard as finding an amp in the first place :lol:
Edit - just found a pair of 60w 8 ohm V30s on ebay that may go for a good price.. Would buying these and finding a cheap enclosure be a bad idea because of the enclosure material.. or how hard would it be to even make an enclosure?
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G12-75Ts are fine for what they are - a clear, neutral speaker that can handle large volumes. I prefer that so I can dial in my own tone. Different speakers wioll colour your tone to an extent, as will cabs, but you can dial frequencies in/out using your amp or a simple EQ pedal.
I wouldn't get too hung up on speakers to be honest. I'd get a good amp that suits you, and a reasonable 2x12. You can always change the cab/speakers at a later date if you feel the need.
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Fair enough. I'll keep my eyes on the 1936 cab with G1275s in it. Could always get an EQ for the fx loop if need be.
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If you know what speaker you want, why not give the boys at matamp a call and ask them to build you a cab with that speaker? It has to be a better option than buying a lesser speaker and using eq to dial in the tones you want? Especially if you want this amp so you're not compromising on your idea sound anymore...
*Rahnooo*
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Well I looked at Matamp cabs but they are too expensive for me right now.
Phoned up PMT and Music Market and they're both gonna try getting a GH50L for me to try out :D
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Found this cab that may go for cheap on ebay, what do you reckon?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190036384102&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
The recording of it sounds fine to me, nothing scooped or particularly bad like I thought the G12-75t may sound.. The main thing thats bothering me is the weight (are 4x12s usually around 80lbs?! my combo is about 40lbs and heavy enough :lol: ) and the grille/carpet covering. How hard would the grille and covering be to replace with some black tolex and a silver grille?
Theres also this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/250W-USA-Made-Custom-2X12-w-Legend-Eminence-speakers_W0QQitemZ260037439583QQihZ016QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Would need to add a grille as its fugly, but any idea what the Eminence speakers sound like?
Cheers
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Tom, that clip makes me want one too, I love Paul Gilbert and although the original was using ADA rack gear the guy with the laney sounds good too (a little fuzzy perhaps though). I've got an old Laney combo at home that needs some TLC, I wonder if I could get it to sing like that?
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Theres also this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/250W-USA-Made-Custom-2X12-w-Legend-Eminence-speakers_W0QQitemZ260037439583QQihZ016QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Would need to add a grille as its fugly, but any idea what the Eminence speakers sound like?
Cheers
eminence speakers are pretty good. I haven't tried those exact ones, but yeah, i think they're of a similar quality to the standard celestions- and are USA made, as opposed to chinese for the (majority of the) celestions.
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Cool. The only thing that slightly bothers me about Eminence is that I never hear about em being used with Marshalls or similar, its allways Celestion I hear about. Plus the special design Eminence in my HRDx is really bright/trebbly, I know its a totally different model but that was my first impression of Eminence speakers :lol:
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special design, especially in low-mid price amps, tends to mean "specially designed to be as cheap as possible, quality of tone be damned!"
i have a special design celestion in my marshall avt100. i mean, seriously, i could probably design a better sounding speaker, and I only have gcse physics, and I got it about 7 years ago...
so yeah, don't judge eminence by your "special design" speaker...
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hahah fair enough. Its not actually a bad speaker, for sparkly cleans at least it sounds perfect. My mates got one of those AVT cabs and its awful. My fender was so dull through it. Anyway I reckon I'm gonna try getting that 2x12 with eminence as they seem to get great reviews, and the guy selling it describes the tone as "big and warm, not too much treble but not muffled, great bass and mids" which sounds to me like a good match for the Laney if people are right in saying its a bright amp.
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Getting all excited now :lol: how sad of me. I'd better like the damn head now after all this consideration. Dont see why I wont though. Next 2 months are gonna go SO slowly.
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Fender/Eminence special design is a cheaper imitation of the Jensen C12 series (which is bright and trebly) - have you ever consider changing the speaker in your HRDx - to a Celestion V30 or something?
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Yeah I did consider it. But I thought it'd probably take away from the nice bright cleans it has. Seeing as I'm probably gonna have the Laney for a rock amp, the Fender is perfect for cleans and blues :D
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Koch cabs have Jenson speakers Tom! Just try before you buy with your gear.
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^ i thought they had koch speakers?
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Koch cabs have Jenson speakers Tom! Just try before you buy with your gear.
Trouble is I cant find anywhere to try out the stuff I want to get :lol: I guess I can try out the cab when I go to pick it up (if I win the auction) but it'll be hard to tell what its gonna sound like with the head I want to get!
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^ i thought they had koch speakers?
Ok your right in the sense that they brand them as their own but they make them in conjuction with Jenson. The full details of this I don't know.
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^ ah, ok, cool. I didn't know that. :drink:
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w00t! Just won the eminence 2x12 cab for £83.99... even if the speakers arent much cop, it should be a good enough enclosure to put some better ones in, the guy says its made of some kinda hardwood so it should sound ok.. :D
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Nice one!
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_tom_, can you not play either pedal before buying?
If so, I would say: buy from a place that will allow you to exchange it for the other if you do not like it.
I live nearby in the center of Brighton so I have the luxery of being able to pop into GAK anytime I want :wink:
If you ever are thinking of going to Brighton take the train and I can give you directions to GAK tom :wink:
They are very understanding guys in there. As long as they think you are willing to buy it and not just there to muck about on the gear they will let you try anything from guitars, amps, pedals etc
Although you might want to bring your guitar with you if you intend on trying a pedal or amp because obviously you want to know what it sounds like on your guitar :)
You should come down sometime. GAK is a guitarists dream. They have pretty much everything !!!
RorySRV,
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I was hoping to get into GAK last weekend but something came up. I need a few bits and bobs. the missus likes mooching around the shops and I get to have my five minutes in GAK.