Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on October 02, 2006, 05:08:32 PM
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ok so seriously considering getting a schecter for my Metal non-trem axe....
still considering ones other people have suggested... i.e... Ibanez SZ320, Dean Vendetta e.t.c...
but now looking into Schecters a bit..
mainly the C1-Elite and S1-Elite...
whats peoples views on: schecter in general, those two particular models.... any other models that you would pick over them?
any info much appreciated,
cheers.
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I got some sort of S-1 (Schecter Twin Tribal, double neck based on the S-1 Devil & Scorpion I think), all mahogany, with good pickups it rocks! Very metal :twisted:
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lol, awesome, cheers... metal is definately what im after... so thats asssuring.
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I don't like 'em. I prefer the Ibanez SZ- though I'm not too fussed on that either.
Have you tried any Lags? www.lagguitars.co.uk
some of them are pretty good guitars for the money, IMO. just be sure to check them- some of the ones sent for review in the magazines were poorly set up.
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I don't lilke Lag, they are really over priced for what you get. The made in France models are great but same things, really over priced...
Never liked the SZ, looks cool but the neck is horrible. A matter of taste I think...
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hmmm controversay lol.... what was it about the Schecters you didnt/dont like dave?
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^ ^ i meant the chinese ones around the price of an ibanez sz- the french ones are presumably way out of sambo's price range if he's looking at sz's... added to the fact that I haven't tried any of the french ones.
I guess me not liking schecters is a bit of a backlash to the total fanboying that they're subject to on another popular guitar forum (hint: the letters G and U form the initials, but not necessarily in that order).
I don't like the nut width, it's too narrow, but I fully accept/admit that that's personal preference.
But the fingerboards on any I've tried were really dry etc. They just didn't plain feel that good, to be honest. It also doesn't help that sound control are the sole distributors, because:
(a) look how dear the stuff is that sound control stocks that there IS competition with other shops with and
(b) I've heard a rumour (that sounds entirely plausible) that Guitar Center in the USA (big chain, bit like their version of sound control) is the worldwide distributor- i.e. they get to pick the schecters they like, and sound control get the ones that they don't take.
Now (b) could be total BS, but the couple I've tried were far from amazing.
I also think you should look into some washburns- the x50 pro, and the wi65 pro or wi66 pro are great guitars for the cash, and come stock with duncans- which aren't BKP's, but are far better than what you're liable to get on any other similarly priced guitar. you can pick up the wi65pro for about £300 if you shop around, as they've been discontinued, and the x50pro for around £400.
and you wouldn't need to upgrade the pickups- they aren't as good as BKPs, for sure, but they'd be good enough that you wouldn't have to upgrade them till you had a surplus of cash. Also, they don't have a Duncan JB, which can only be a good thing.
Actually, now that I think about it, the washburns are probably better than the lags. EDIT: Washburn are basically, IMO, what schecters want to be. And I don't think it's any coincidence that on the aforementioned forum, anyone who admits to being a Schecter fanboy normally hasn't tried any Washburns.
But like most korean guitars, you want to try the one you end up buying, as the quality control can vary. I think machinehead do them... I know you love that place...
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lol!
ah right, cheers for all the info dave... i remember you mentioning the Washburns before... think a trip to Machine-pricks might be in order soon... i've seen em in there...
out of the X50pro, X40pro e.t.c.... which one would you go for?
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^ i'd probably go for the x50pro, but that's because it's 43mm width, while the wi65/66 are 42mm.
the x40pro has a locking trem, so it's out of the running, lol.
but yeah, quality-wise, there's not much in it- it just depends which you like the look of, and which plays a bit better in your opinion. the wi65pro is probably a little cheaper (though I think they're £350 in machinehead, compared to £300 that I've seen in a shop this side of the irish channel...)
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EDIT: there's also an x50pro FE (flamed maple, EMG's)- I think it's a bit dearer, though- £450, maybe £500...
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lol right, ok, excellent...
yer machinhead are dear on a lottttt of things... then other things they can give a good price on... its annoying...
we'll see...
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^ that's what most places are like, to be honest. they have some good prices to make you think they're good value, and then hope you'll buy some of their less good-value stuff next time without shopping around, as you think they're cheap for everything...
(did you see my edit to my last post, you posted pretty quick after my last post)
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really? interesting...
ah no didnt see that... yer the machinhead one is the EMGs... but then what would be better- stumping up 70 extra quid for EMGs... or paying £380 for the Duncans?.... bearing in mind id probably switch them out at christmas sorta time anyway... ?
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well, the emgs should be better for metal- the custom custom, while a better pickup for all-round stuff, is alnico II for some inexplicable reason. which is used for vintage pickups, and tends to mush up under high gain (the only BKP's with al II are the stormy monday and the mule (and even it has the option of al IV, for a slightly less mushy tone!)), so yeah, I wouldn't want it for metal.
But if you're gonna switch them eventually anyway, not much point in paying extra for the EMG's... plus with the EMG's, you'd have to fork out for new pots as well, they use different value pots to passive pickups.
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yer i did think about that... getting actives switched to passive would be extra hassle... hmmm
what about those Lag ones then?
i remember seeing them ages ago and really liking the look of them... how do they compare in quality+price?...
and the pickups are just random ones arent they? no EMGs/ Duncans? at least not that i remember... which is kinda a good thing...
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^ some of them have passive EMG's... i.e. cr@p. they're quite dear for having them (and not real EMG's or duncans).
the lags are good, IMO. As are the washburns. I haven't tried them head to head, so I can't really say which is better, to be honest- and even then, that'd be mainly preference. again, you need to try them. I think a shop in cambridge stocks them (arena music?), or that website link I gave you should have a "dealers" section.
Bear in mind, if you do like both guitars equally, go for the one with the name-brand pickups- not because they're necessarily any good, but because you can sell them a lot better than generic ones(or passive EMG's). and, they'll be better pickups, until you get round to getting some BK's... EDIT: as long as you don't get the impression that all the money went into the pickups, and they scrimped on everything else. that can happen sometimes (*cough* 2006 japanese jacksons, bar the sl3 and rr5 *cough*)
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cool, cheers for the advice as always mate...
hopefully be getting whatever it is i decide on in 2-3 weeks after selling stuff...
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^ cool, don't rush, though. no harm in thinking it through...
(oh, and I edited the last post as well, lol- just in case you missed it)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
your and your blooming edits! grr! lol...
yer i'll take my time... i usually rush purchases involving anything guitar-related... but im gonna try and take it slow this time...
thanks again.
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^ yeah, take it slow. I started looking into a new guitar about 3 years ago...
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I've played a schecter C1, and I must say I didn't like the neck profile, I found the fingerboard edges really sharp, I found it quite uncomfortable, massively microphonic and it really didn't float my boat. I find many of their maple topped guitars look really cheap in the flesh, and I think they're massively overpriced for what they are. The C1 elite is a £300 pound guitar, plain and simple.
Remember my mathematical equation Sambo, you know it makes sense ;)
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lol! dave.. :lol:
and Ben... haha.... it is damnnnn tempting... im just trying to think... there must be a reason... why the Dean is cheaper... its one of those things where it almost seems TOO cheap to be true...
hmmm
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Metal guitars without trems are hard to find (but infinitely better due to being able to change tunings without having to dismantle the $%&#er)
I had a thread not so long ago with many links to sites whereby people were helping me choose (http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5405 )...
The Cort KX1 appeared to get the majority of votes (over the Washburn X50) - cheapest I've found online so far is £400 but that was without really looking hard http://www.guitars.co.uk/acatalog/Cort_KX1.html and the setup policy of this place is good enough that I'd be happy to buy unseen from them
But then in the end I'm still left thinking "$%&# it, I'll save and buy a Legra" :lol:
EDIT: (wow I feel like dave) - changed layout to make reading easier :)
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loL!
yer i remember glancing at this thread... gonna look at it in more detail now... what made you decide to save up then?
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Umm Bob from Legra PMd me to remind me of his existance, and I figured that I can get a guitar that I know has been built well and has decent wood/components for not loads more money - I can at least be sure of it's heritage as it were :lol:
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lolll
how much more is 'not much more'?
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Well we have a "gentleman's agreement" that I'll take the green one on the site off his hands when I next get paid - I think it works out at about £600ish once he puts the Rebel Yells in for me :P
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lol hmmm that seems a good price...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Yes, but it's ex-demo and I dunno if he has any left - and you can't have my green one!
Maybe you could email him and ask what he's got lying around?
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lol! dont worry i wasnt thinking of nabbing it.... yer ill check out his site...
interesting... how does the actual spec compare to a schecter/washburn/cort though?
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Brazilian mahogany body, American maple neck and Amazon roseboard fretboard :P Umm, not so sure about the rest of it - I think the tuners are grovers, but I don't know why I'm just guessing...
25" Scale which is unusual (ish) - Seems quite PRS like in shape, styling and scale length...should be a good one :drink: :lol:
EDIT: See if he's still got the MG602F :drink:
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lo cool cool... sounds good..
im gonna check the site now. cheers.
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Cool, my green one is the PG602F :drink:
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niiice
which MG602F is it your talking about?....
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I only saw the blue one, but the red one's nice also :)
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oh yarr... but are they ones for sale at the moment or wot?
your green one by the way looks gooorggggeous!
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They're ones he's built, but doesn't necessarily still have - You have to email and ask if he has any ex-demo stuff he's trying to shift atm and hope that there's something suitable :drink:
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hoookay dokey will do. cheers.
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Now I just have to hope that the wealthier members of the forum don't read this and poach my greeny before i get the cash together :lol:
Let me know what he says in response to your email btw :drink:
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:lol: :lol:
yup i will, does he usually check his mail at any time other than in day time? dunno if you would know or not lol...
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Now I just have to hope that the wealthier members of the forum don't read this and poach my greeny before i get the cash together :lol:
:good:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I'm not gonna nick the green one on you, but when I get round to emailing him (that'll be next millenium at my rate, then) about that guitar I want him to build, I might ask what he has in stock that he wants rid of, too.
:D
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:lol: I'm hoping he wouldn't let someone else buy it anyway - I wanted to give him a deposit but he wouldn't let me, so I'm sorta hoping he's just got it put aside for me...
I guess we'll find out by whether or not it gets offered to Mr Sam :lol:
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lolllll nah i dont think it will mate, your safe there lol...
i said "i was informed by the chap who is probably going to be buying "the leaf".... or something like that...
see..
im nice :D
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:lol: I emailed him earlier saying "Everyone I've shown pictures of it so far has been very impressed and a few have said they'll be in touch at some stage, now I understand this advertising thing" :lol:
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Schecters are a good buy for the money. Some people like Dean as well...
I would go with a Carvin though.... same price range, but they are quite a bit better in quality though..
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cheers dean... i thought carvins were only available in the US though? or am i totally wrong...
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i thought carvins were only available in the US though? or am i totally wrong...
I thought that too lol - maybe we're both foolish
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They are available in europe, but @ double the price... insane
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Schecters are a good by fro the money in the States. Here they're somewhat overpriced due to Soundcontrol's exlcusive distribution deal.
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I got mine on eBay US :lol: In france they are outrageously overpriced.
Got mine for half the french price.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schecter-Terry-Corso-Signature-Guitar-Seymour-Duncan-JB_W0QQitemZ110038983958QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33045QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks pretty nice, shame its a signature model but apart from the truss rod cover you can't really tell that, oh - that and the ant inlay! :wink:
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And it's a signature model that he only used for a year or so :roll:
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And it's a signature model that he only used for a year or so :roll:
But more than twice the length of time they where popular.
Ermm regarding the whole metal guitar thing, what actually is a metal guitar so to speak.
So many of them seem to be so close to 40 year old gibson designs (ESP) or slab bodied strat style guitars. Yeah I understand that the necks are often slimmer and have a flatter radius (for the shredders out there). Of course there are the more extreme shapes but for the most part why not go for a decent SG / Explorer or whatever with a new paint job & decent pickups ?
Rob..
Just my 2c and not intended to annoy just a genuine question (even my wolfgang is too metal for me, but I love the neck shape)
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cheers for the responses guys... i saw that terry corso... been talking with the seller, (havent got any money to buy it right away anyway)... and he has another Schecter fitted with BKPs!!! loves it as well...
and good question Rob... i dunno really... basically... anything MORE metal than my Gibson... so needs H/B's... and preferably a FAIRLY fast neck... (its not essential to have like a wizard-neck or anything)...
but yer im not really sure other than that... SG/Explorer wise... i dont like SGs... in the slightest.... never tried an Explorer of any kind... got any recommendations?
cheers guys,
sam.
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do'nt like SG's? :evil:
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:lol:
not stock ones... as in... Gibson... traditional SGs... yours is HARDLY traditional is it lol.
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should FLAMEing hope not :twisted:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
i think your a kinda pyromaniac... not your average one though
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Theres many brands which havn't been mentioned.
Find the neck, body wood then body style. Then you can look at pickups colours & stuff.
Then theres the like of vintage and wilkinson who do produce reasionable stuff. Plus a hoarde of japanese makers which are mentioned in many other threads.
Some (mostly) unmentioned brands are
peavey
ibanez (consider the artist range)
hamer (I like their double cuts, but the standard is explorer styled)
gibson (they did some super strat styles in the 80s)
aria (nice neck heels on some models)
Charvels (some good deals out there)
Gordon Smith
Fernandes
Godin
Yamaha
warmoth (put it together yourself)
Lag
Fender
Rob...
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woooooooahaahh cool, cheers rob...
Gibson did super strats? nevvver knew that...
my teacher likes Aria.. will check them out...
and Godin... is the freeway a good bet anyone?
thanks again rob for the list.
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Theres many brands which havn't been mentioned.
Find the neck, body wood then body style. Then you can look at pickups colours & stuff.
Then theres the like of vintage and wilkinson who do produce reasionable stuff. Plus a hoarde of japanese makers which are mentioned in many other threads.
Some (mostly) unmentioned brands are
peavey
ibanez (consider the artist range)
hamer (I like their double cuts, but the standard is explorer styled)
gibson (they did some super strat styles in the 80s)
aria (nice neck heels on some models)
Charvels (some good deals out there)
Gordon Smith
Fernandes
Godin
Yamaha
warmoth (put it together yourself)
Lag
Fender
Rob...
Peavey, some DEF. '80s metal axes
Ibanez, sure
Hamer, OMG$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for a 'good' one ;)
Gibson/Charvel Superstrat, cheap enough, if ya can find one
Charvel like Davey's on Evilbay right now uber cheap!
Kramer, long as NOT musicyo
B.C.Rich, pre Bernie Rico's departure/death
Some VERY interesting Jap guitars come up now and again;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-Japanese-Kawai-Aquarius_W0QQitemZ300033948179QQihZ020QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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cheers nick!
and wow that jap thing is weeeird/cool...
your SG is still definately in the running at the mo... im just taking a bigggg look around at the moment...
what is the SG situation by the way?
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Jackson-Charvel-Rock-electric-Guitar_W0QQitemZ280033764509QQihZ018QQcategoryZ33044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-Charvel-Guitar-COLLECTERS_W0QQitemZ220032707236QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Gibson WRC (Gibson/Wayne Charvel collaboration)
(http://www.j-guitar.com/sp/sea/data/1229/1014_2.jpg)
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SG,LP,Ovation,Laptop,Missus etc. etc. just awaiting return of passports/visa's to move, so SOON!
House on market as of Monday, 'my' car sold (cost me money :( ) as of tomorrow, so imminent.
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wow that all white one is gorgeous!
what car was it?!?!
and cool, bet you cant wait lol.
thing about ebay stuff... is that i cant get anything RIGHT now...
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And it's a signature model that he only used for a year or so :roll:
But more than twice the length of time they where popular.
Ermm regarding the whole metal guitar thing, what actually is a metal guitar so to speak.
So many of them seem to be so close to 40 year old gibson designs (ESP) or slab bodied strat style guitars. Yeah I understand that the necks are often slimmer and have a flatter radius (for the shredders out there). Of course there are the more extreme shapes but for the most part why not go for a decent SG / Explorer or whatever with a new paint job & decent pickups ?
Rob..
Just my 2c and not intended to annoy just a genuine question (even my wolfgang is too metal for me, but I love the neck shape)
I agree... assuming you can get on with the neck profile, you can make any solid-body guitar "metal" if you switch the pickups...
A lot of guys (not sambo, this isn't a dig at you, lol) seem to think your guitar will only sound "metal" if it's a pointy bc rich that's black...
it's a well-known fact that black guitars sound heavier...
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well i always used to think that about body SHAPE... some people seemed to think that would make a great difference..
but i never really knew as im not clued in abot woods e.t.c. and how they affect tone...
interesting that you and rob say that though... definately something to bare in mind..
in fact... going by that... surely all id want is something with a nice neck and a decent chunk of wood for a body and thatd do me great?
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Many use a Fender strat, i.e. Maiden anyway :)
The white one is a Gibson/Charvel WRC Sam. Bit rare/odd but (at the moment) not overly expensive if ya find one.
My car is/was an Infiniti FX 35. A SUV based on the Nissan Z car, damn I MISS it. Infiniti is the upper end Nissan, kinda like Lexus is to Toyota. So, a. they are not in this country and b.it is left hand drive. But boy I love that car!
Not as silly engine as that supercharged Harley Truck I had, but still it has 280bhp about :twisted:
(http://www.toyota-club.by/images/articles/infinity_cruiser_bmw-1.jpg)
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rigght im gonna look up those Gibson things... cheers you and rob for mentioning them
and wow that cars niiice
wot you gonna do about transport now?
btw what is the model name for the Gibson/Charvels?
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WRC
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
nice.... nice.
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rigght im gonna look up those Gibson things... cheers you and rob for mentioning them
I thought you wanted a hardtail? :?
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damn i got side-tracked...
i do... your right lol...
dont let me look at them cause i'll regret it if i buy one...
your fault Nick.. :P
Ben do you still say Vendetta?
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Yeah, in fact I'm thinking very hard about getting one myself at the end of the month. They're solidly made, Look gorgeous, have a really fast neck, thru-neck and thru body TOM (great for metal), and cost very little (due to lack of high profile celebrity endorsements). Just need new pickups.
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mmmm they are definately superb value by the looks of things.... hmmmmmmmm so hard to choose...
tell me how you get on with yours (if you get it).... will be interesting.
also, referring back to making any guitar metal by changing pickups... could a p-90 guitar go quite heavy?
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well i always used to think that about body SHAPE... some people seemed to think that would make a great difference..
but i never really knew as im not clued in abot woods e.t.c. and how they affect tone...
interesting that you and rob say that though... definately something to bare in mind..
in fact... going by that... surely all id want is something with a nice neck and a decent chunk of wood for a body and thatd do me great?
well, I mean, the amount of wood in the body will make a difference. something big and heavy like a les paul will sound heavier than something light with big giant chunks cut out of the wood. It's kind of ironic that the guitar's with the most big chunks cut out are the metal-style guitars... the shape's probably making them sound LESS heavy!
on the pickup front, I kind of meant "assuming you can fit a bridge humbucker in there"... i was kind of lazy. maybe the pig-90 might be worth a look, though, for p90's- they should sound a bit heavier than, say, strat single coils (unless you have a sinner!).
although if you're looking to get a metal guitar, I'd just keep your melody maker as is, and use the metal guitar for metal...
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yer thats weird...
hmmmm ok... yer... i asked about p-90s cause of Bob (of Legra).. hes got a teak thingymajig fitted with BKP-92s.... double-cutaway... looks like it has a greeeat neck... but it just needs some beef.... maybe not... lol.
cheers dave.
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Did he reply sam? Is that one still there - looks sweet, did he give a price?
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£550 for the Teak one... £550 for a black one with a scratchplate... (a PG something 633 or something i think it was)...
and £900+ for the red one.
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£550 for the Teak one... £550 for a black one with a scratchplate... (a PG something 633 or something i think it was)...
and £900+ for the red one.
thanks. I'd be all over that black one if it didn't have a floyd... (and if it had BKP's). dunno, though. EDIT: arg, it has no inlays! :(
hmmm. anyway, I've already emailed him, I'll see what he says. I guess the main thing is, I don't want to save maybe £200, but end up with something I don't really want, lol. I'd rather pay a little extra to get exactly what I want...
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P-90's are great pickups for metal lead if you're prepared to give them some welly. Crank your Bass a little (about 8-ish), with mids the same, and then leave the treble wide open (10). You can tune the "Bite" with your tone control, or fiddling with the amp. Get as much gain laid on as necessary, and any sort of clean boost between yourself and the amp (I'm currently using a Behringer PB-100, so expense need not be a problem!).
I find P-90's can be a bit funny with OD pedals, but a good dollop of boost really opens them out.
At the end of the day though, sounding "Metal" hasn't as much to do with Hardware as it does with Technique. You really need to smack stuff a bit harder, dig the pick in etc. There are people out there who would sound metal with a Tele' into a JC-120. Heavy picks and sweat are the best possible tools here...
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^cheers headtheball!...
interesting stuff...
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Dave: The inlays aren't a huuuuge deal, he quoted me £40 to whack some dots in it or £15 each for anything more complicated than that...and he was up for giving me the Rebel Yells in this thing - was -£60 for whatever's in it already, and then add whatever the Rebels cost. Works out cheaper than getting a different guitar and buying the Rebels separately :P
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There are people out there who would sound metal with a Tele' into a JC-120. Heavy picks and sweat are the best possible tools here...
I tried to leave out the expensive brands
This was a point I was going to make, listen to the tones John 5 get out of a Tele. I left out the more expensive guitars, as regarding the Hamers you can usually pick up a decent 80 'standard' for not too much.
As for P90s theres nothing much heavier than a LP Jr being played to death. Theres also the LP doublecut range which to me sound different from the single cuts (I prefer the doublecuts).
I left out all the japanese brands (tokai come to mind for their Firebirds and explorers as well as the usual suspects in their range. BTW Kawai where into aluminum necked guitars and basses in the early 80s.
I would suggest heading into london for a day and have a look in wunjo & the rest of denmark St, not to buy anything, just to look at the more unusual 2nd hand items you will sometimes find something at a good price (it's hard but possible)
As a starter have a look here http://www.wunjoguitars.com/ele.htm for the Schecter metal or the fernandes ravelle. Theres also a couple of Herbst (?) guitars which look pretty damned metal. I'm not recomending anything there just saying.
Hey I thought you said you didn't like SGs (gibsons best work after the Firebird and the LP Jr)
rob...
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wow cheers again for all the info Rob... gonna have a look at that site in just a sec...
reason i dont like SGs is the proportions/feel of em.... they feel like the neck is too flat against the body or its angled backwards or something... i dunno... i jsut dont like em.
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There's only a couple of hardtail guitars there I'd take to a metal gig, a Les Paul :roll: and the Musicman SUB1 (very good price for it too) which fits Sambo's brief pretty well.
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There's only a couple of hardtail guitars there I'd take to a metal gig, a Les Paul :roll: and the Musicman SUB1 (very good price for it too) which fits Sambo's brief pretty well.
Personally theyre all too expensive but it was a demonstration that there more to metal guitars than Ibanez & ESP really.
Guild used to do a nice LP style guitar (cept for their horrible tailpiece) up until a few years ago.
Basically get out there and research young man.
Rob...
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Dave: The inlays aren't a huuuuge deal, he quoted me £40 to whack some dots in it or £15 each for anything more complicated than that...and he was up for giving me the Rebel Yells in this thing - was -£60 for whatever's in it already, and then add whatever the Rebels cost. Works out cheaper than getting a different guitar and buying the Rebels separately :P
I've emailed him anyway, I guess I have to wait for a reply...
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EDIT: good idea about heading to denmark street, rob. denmark street is cr@p on many levels (mainly price), but it does have loads of guitars to try. and you're only about 2 minutes from the soundcontrol under virgin in oxford street, and about 30 seconds from the soho soundhouse on charing cross road. it's a good place to try lots of stuff in a short space of time. and when one shop kicks you out, you can just go to the next (even though a lot are owned by the same people and you might find the same guy working in any of about 4 of them... not at the same time, though. that'd be weird.)
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What did you email about?
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^ the guitars he had for sale. I'm pretty close to emailing about a custom build, but I might as well see what he has that he wants rid of first, just in case any tickle my fancy.
Don't worry, I won't take the green one. I don't really want a maple neck on a guitar of that style...
:D
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cool, cheers ben and rob once again... (gonna look up that Musicman)
and rob- i thin i'll get out there and research just as you suggest mate... cant this weekend, recording band stuff, but will get on it in the next couple of weekends and report back
cheers guys.
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What did you email about?
Who ?
Me, Dave, Sambo or Who (it's a mystery to me)
Rob...
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^ the guitars he had for sale. I'm pretty close to emailing about a custom build, but I might as well see what he has that he wants rid of first, just in case any tickle my fancy.
I went down that route a while back, emailed many different places with a spec to see what it turned up...If I remember rightly it was a Maple Neck thru with Swamp Ash wings and ebony fretboard, with locking tuners, 24 frets, BKs, all the top quality hardware etc
Prices were as follows (looks back through emails)
Legra - £1320 (£1150 with R/wood board)
www.soundsinscale.com - £995
www.mdguitars.co.uk - £1200
Ran Guitars - 1580 euros
Rek Guitars - 1450 euros
Dunno if that was at all helpful, and I'd probably go for something completely different if I were to enquire again, but it gives an idea of the prices of different places in comparison with each other. Oh, and those weren't the only places asked, just hte only ones that replied :drink:
Rob: I was asking Dave what he emailed Mr Johnson over at Legra about :drink:...but if you've emailed someone lately and want to discuss it, go right ahead :) :lol:
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Dave: The inlays aren't a huuuuge deal, he quoted me £40 to whack some dots in it or £15 each for anything more complicated than that...and he was up for giving me the Rebel Yells in this thing - was -£60 for whatever's in it already, and then add whatever the Rebels cost. Works out cheaper than getting a different guitar and buying the Rebels separately :P
I've emailed him anyway, I guess I have to wait for a reply...
:drink:
EDIT: good idea about heading to denmark street, rob. denmark street is cr@p on many levels (mainly price), but it does have loads of guitars to try. and you're only about 2 minutes from the soundcontrol under virgin in oxford street, and about 30 seconds from the soho soundhouse on charing cross road. it's a good place to try lots of stuff in a short space of time. and when one shop kicks you out, you can just go to the next (even though a lot are owned by the same people and you might find the same guy working in any of about 4 of them... not at the same time, though. that'd be weird.)
lol! :lol:
funny thing is though... i did practically all that... when we went to London a few weeks ago... before i was really planning on getting a guitar any time soon... grrr
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cheers dean... i thought carvins were only available in the US though? or am i totally wrong...
I am not sure, but there are always use guitars on ebay if you can find one.....
When I bought my Carvin (and still to this very day), it had the lowest action of any guitar I have ever played without buzzing. I posted this on some forums, and a half dozen other Carvin owners responded and said the same thing about theirs. Mine is all the default options, alder body, maple neck, ebony fretboard, H-H, Sperzel locking tuners, coil split switches, etc. and costs around $800usd new, but seriously was a lot better quality than some ESPs and Jacksons that I played in the store next to it that were selling for over three times that new.
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well, I mean, the amount of wood in the body will make a difference. something big and heavy like a les paul will sound heavier than something light with big giant chunks cut out of the wood. It's kind of ironic that the guitar's with the most big chunks cut out are the metal-style guitars... the shape's probably making them sound LESS heavy!
Yeah I've always said Les Pauls make great tone guitars... for metal or clean, having more wood and quieter pickups results in a fuller sound than having less wood (and less dense wood) and louder pickups to make up for what the guitar is lacking in wood.
That said, there is a point for lighter guitars too as Les Pauls will give you back problems.
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wow, thanks for the info..
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i remember seeing a couple of carvins on ebay US a while ago... looked really cool...
must go back and check em out again.
thanks again.
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lol! :lol:
funny thing is though... i did practically all that... when we went to London a few weeks ago... before i was really planning on getting a guitar any time soon... grrr
that's what always friggen' happens. as you know, it's a bit harder and more expensive for me to get to london than you- i always get home, and about 3 days later decide I want something which I saw in the shops over there, but didn't try because I wasn't after it then. Or else really muck up, not do my homework, and find out that a convenient-ish shop did stock stuff I wanted to try, only I didn't realise it.
Deg0ey: cheers, man. I've looked into Ran- they seem good value, I guess what I didn't like was the wait- it says at least 28 weeks, maybe more. That's a heck of a long time... you nearly need to be ordering from them before you want the damn thing!
also, some of their choices of hardware aren't all that great (i.e. some things just plain aren't offered), and their stock models are pretty good value, but when you start trying to spec BKP's etc., it brings the price way up...
:drink:
EDIT: those rek ones look quite nice, but some of the english wouldn't look too out of place on some of those "lucky" chinese auctions on ebay...
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oh btw dave, you know anything about fender Showmasters?
through neck one in Machinehead for £399... what they like???
http://www.machinehead.co.uk/images/used-jpg/0-guitars/fend_show_qbt-lg.jpg
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^ haven't tried them, man.
in addition to the dodgy english, I'm not sure I like the negotiable price on the rek website... I'd like to think everyone gets treated equally pricewise.
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lol yer the english is deifnately cr@p... thats another reason to dislike them
what you mean the rek site though? you lost me there completely
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^ deg0ey said earlier that he checked out rek guitars, a luthier. they're polish, i think. the english was decidedly dodgy in some places...
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wow, thanks for the info..
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i remember seeing a couple of carvins on ebay US a while ago... looked really cool...
must go back and check em out again.
thanks again.
The other thing, if you wish to custom order one, I could have it shipped to me if they wont ship to you and then ship it to you. It should be about $125usd to ship it... it was for the last guitar I shipped to the UK.
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lol yer the english is deifnately cr@p... thats another reason to dislike them
what you mean the rek site though? you lost me there completely
lol! oooo right.... i thought you meant machinhead because the description of the showmaste was written reaaally weirdly lol...
silly me..
and dean.. wow.... thanks! but how much do custom ones cost?
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They start at $729usd and go up depending on options from there. Mine seems to be all the stock options, so with alder, a maple neck, ebony fretboard, fixed strat style bridge and Sperzels on a DC127 it will run you about $800.
You can get some cool options too - stainless steel frets instead of standard Dunlop frets, which I'd recommend because they hardly wear (but they do rust eventually but if you play it enough they will still last you a lot longer).
Take a look at www.carvin.com and see what you like. You can get a mahogany body and flame maple top for about $1000usd. You can also get ash which I'd find tempting (partially because I have three alder body superstrat style guitars).... but that's straying away from the typical Les Paul sound, and some other woods you don't get the options for anywhere else like Walnut or Koa. Great if you know what you want.
If you don't get a flame or quilted maple top, I would get a cool looking translucent finish however ;)
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You can get some cool options too - stainless steel frets instead of standard Dunlop frets, which I'd recommend because they hardly wear
I thought I read somewhere that they're bad for your tone though...
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They do make it quite bright and tinny.
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awesome dean! cheers for the info+site e.t.c... theyre reaaaaaaally tempting...
yours is a DC127 you say?