Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: i_baked_cookies on October 03, 2006, 04:15:21 PM
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Use very specific words to describe the tonal differences between the Miracle Man and Nailbomb. I want to know like differences in output too.
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I have Nailbombs in my SG, and a Miracle Man in my Charvel Model 4.
From my experience the Miracle Man has more mids, and overall is more responsive to harmonics. It basically sounds fuller.
The Nailbomb is more of a scooped sound, maybe a bit more aggressive but not as full sounding.
Muttley
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I have Nailbombs in my SG, and a Miracle Man in my Charvel Model 4.
From my experience the Miracle Man has more mids, and overall is more responsive to harmonics. It basically sounds fuller.
The Nailbomb is more of a scooped sound, maybe a bit more aggressive but not as full sounding.
Muttley
bollocks imho. the nailbomb has loads more mids which is what makes it more agressive, and the miracle man sounds more scooped if anything, but it has quite a large hollow thud to it due to the lower mids which it has quite a lot of and also more output than the nailbomb
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I have Nailbombs in my SG, and a Miracle Man in my Charvel Model 4.
From my experience the Miracle Man has more mids, and overall is more responsive to harmonics. It basically sounds fuller.
The Nailbomb is more of a scooped sound, maybe a bit more aggressive but not as full sounding.
Muttley
bollocks imho. the nailbomb has loads more mids which is what makes it more agressive, and the miracle man sounds more scooped if anything, but it has quite a large hollow thud to it due to the lower mids which it has quite a lot of and also more output than the nailbomb
We had the discussion before if you remember, and you acted like a total arse then as well. :roll:
These are my findings from two guitars that I own with these pickups installed using the same amp and settings. Where are your findings from?
Muttley
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playing my nailbomb, and the miracle man at LGS and music live. (both thru jcm800s) I still don't agree with yu - doesnt make me an arse
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Use very specific words to describe the tonal differences between the Miracle Man and Nailbomb. I want to know like differences in output too.
Maybe a please would be nice? Bit more friendly? :)
From what I've read, Muttley's view seems to be the opposite of what I would expect. However, I've never tried both so I can't really comment.
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Nailbomb has tons of mids, that's for sure. Scooped would be the last word I'd use to describe it's tone. So, I'll second indysmith in this matter.
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I've swapped my BKPs around a few guitars now and found that they are very transparent to woods. So, Muttley, I think your experience is coloured by how the woods of the guitars is colouring the sound.
Ive asked Tim to give the pickups numbers for EQ off the top of his head (so this shouldnt be taken as gospel: I put him on the spot for it and he was helpfull enough to answer):
Me: If a warpig is bass, mid, treble, 5, 5, 5 then what are the miracle man and nailbomb
Tim: Hmmmm....miracle man is something like 6, 4, 7 and nailbomb is about 5, 6, 4.
As to the question: I can t answer, I've never played a nailbomb.
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playing my nailbomb, and the miracle man at LGS and music live. (both thru jcm800s) I still don't agree with yu - doesnt make me an arse
No it doesn't make you an arse, but sometimes your writing style can seem a bit blunt: "bollocks imho" :P
Not saying you're wrong in your opinion, or that you've been offensive to anyone, it's just the way various comments can be percieved at times (I'm fairly certain I do it also, for example this post I'm sure will be seen as me being a dick - but it's not meant that way)
So yeah - Muttley, your thoughts appear to be going against the grain somewhat...It could be the woods as MDV says :drink:
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I have Nailbombs in my SG, and a Miracle Man in my Charvel Model 4.
From my experience the Miracle Man has more mids, and overall is more responsive to harmonics. It basically sounds fuller.
The Nailbomb is more of a scooped sound, maybe a bit more aggressive but not as full sounding.
Muttley
Blasphemy! Nailbombs are anything but scooped mids. They're fairly evenly balanced.... And I would think they would sound fuller because they have more low mids, where the Miracle Man's have more bass and high mids and highs.
I think your experience has been dependant on the guitars that they were in.
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I still don't agree with yu - doesnt make me an arse
It's not that you disagree with me that makes you an arse, it's the WAY you post. You come across as extremely rude and arrogant.
You're probably not IRL, but that's definitely how you come across.
Don't forget that with e-mail and message boards, etc. people have no insight into tone of voice or facial expression for getting a context on what you're saying. So you have to be very careful as only the word content counts.
Muttley
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I still don't agree with yu - doesnt make me an arse
It's not that you disagree with me that makes you an arse, it's the WAY you post. You come across as extremely rude and arrogant.
You're probably not IRL, but that's definitely how you come across.
Don't forget that with e-mail and message boards, etc. people have no insight into tone of voice or facial expression for getting a context on what you're saying. So you have to be very careful as only the word content counts.
Muttley
Wow, you managed to condense my whole post of ramblyness into a couple of lines:P
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So, Muttley, I think your experience is coloured by how the woods of the guitars is colouring the sound.
Quite possibly, but that's surely the same for everyone unless they all swap pickups in and out of the same guitar to compare them.
I actually have different amp patches for my two guitars, and for the SG I have to boost the mids to get them roughly in the same ballpark. ;)
I'm intrigued now. Setting up my music room again this week (finally unpacking stuff after the house move), so I'll try and get some DI recording and stick 'em through a frequency analyser.
Muttley
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I'm with Neemo on this, I don't think the NB is scooped - to my ears it has a load of upper mids that really helps the guitar "cut through". The MM has noticeably more output than the NB - & more low end.
FWIW, I own two guitars with MMs (Flying V & Warmoth Strat) & one with a NB (Les Paul std).
YMMV etc...
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sorry about that muttley man - i'm sure if yu knew me better you'd know i was only joking with yu - i didn't mean to offend yu, just disagree. I am aware i don't do that all too gently a lot of the time :? pals? :D
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sorry about that muttley man - i'm sure if yu knew me better you'd know i was only joking with yu - i didn't mean to offend yu, just disagree. I am aware i don't do that all too gently a lot of the time :? pals? :D
No harm done. Just think a little before posting next time. ;)
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Miracle Man
Lows: 8
Low Mids: 6
High Mids: 3
Highs: 7
Output: 9
Nailbomb
Lows: 4
Low Mids: 4
High Mids: 7
Highs: 6
Output: 7
Thats how i'd describe the nailbomb vs miracle man in terms of numbers out of ten.. but thats not gospel.
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Don't MM's have a lot of high mids? And I thought the Nailbombs had more low mids...
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Muttley,could be yours ears or your Perceptive capacities .
Indiesmith, what´s a "BULLOCKS?"
Hails
JP
i´ll post my comments regarding the nailbomb as soon as i receive my set(Nailbomb-Trilogy SUite neck)
Hails AGAIN.
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Muttley,could be yours ears or your Perceptive capacities .
Indiesmith, what´s a "BULLOCKS?"
Hails
JP
i´ll post my comments regarding the nailbomb as soon as i receive my set(Nailbomb-Trilogy SUite neck)
Hails AGAIN.
bullocks are baby bulls.
however, i said bollucks - they're the round things hanging between ur legs :P (saying bollucks basically means that yu don't agree)
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Miracle Man
Lows: 8
Low Mids: 6
High Mids: 3
Highs: 7
Output: 9
Nailbomb
Lows: 4
Low Mids: 4
High Mids: 7
Highs: 6
Output: 7
Thats how i'd describe the nailbomb vs miracle man in terms of numbers out of ten.. but thats not gospel.
I agree. Of course there's more to it than just numbers, but this is a good assessment IMO. As well as a difference in output level, the MM & NB each emphasise totally different frequencies.