Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: RorySRV on October 08, 2006, 10:00:38 AM
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Anyone recommend any pickups for stuff like Malmsteen, Satriani, Vai, Metallica, Dragonforce and Zakk Wylde.
I am looking to put this into a Ibanez S470 when I eventually get one (Theres loads of stuff I wanna get but I need to prioritise it all :P )
Anyway, I want the pickups to be able to do great Zakk Wylde type pinch harmonics and to have that shred tone of Dragonforce, Malmsteen, Vai Satriani etc whilst being able to handle the galloping rhythms of Dragonforce and Metallica :twisted:
I was thinking Miracle Man (Bridge) and Nailbomb (Neck) or that reversed
Or
Miracle Man (Bridge) and War Pig (Neck) or the other way round
Or
Nail Bomb Calibrated Set
Or
Miracle Man Calibrated Set
So what would all you guys suggest?
Look forward to your recommendations :wink: ,
RorySRV,
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Miracle Man bridge + Cold Sweat neck gets a lot of recommendations, but I've not actually played any of the high gain pickups so i can't help you there I'm afraid
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Hmm... I havent looked into Cold Sweats yet, but I will check em out.
Anyone else got any recommendations?
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Miracle Man bridge + Cold Sweat neck lol
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So you reckon that would be good for the kinda stuff I want to play, and for getting a good tone when mucking about with a Floyd Rose etc?
Any other different suggestions? :wink:
RorySRV,
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Definatley
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Sounds good.
Well I have been listening to some sound samples of the Cold Sweat and I have to say i'm impressed...
The only trouble is is the s470 is H-S-H,
So I have five questions:
1) How much better are these pickups when combined?
2)How much will it affect the sound when combined with the single in the middle?
3) Are they good pickups to just use individually, like set to neck on its own or bridge on its own instead of 1 coil of neck and middle?
4)Is there any point in me changing the middle pickup or might I aswell just keep it stock as the mm and cs have such a tonal varation the middle one is useless anyway?
5) And if the answer to number four is yes then what pickup do you recommend?
Thanks for all your help,
I am a strat player by trade see (3 Singles) and I have recently got back into metal and would love a metal guitar :wink:
RorySRV,
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I've not actually played any of the high gain pickups
ummm, unless I'm mistaken that's a Holy Diver in that guitar in your pic? :)
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anything with a ceramic magnet will be your cup of tea ;)
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Miracle Man for the Zakk Wylde pinch harmonics, but they're probably the last pickup.... well okay, the last BKP, to do Satch or Vai. For Satch/Vai, I think a VHII is a good bet, however the Nailbomb may be a good comprimise.
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Miracle Man bridge, definitely - a fantastic pickup for metal. You get very high output, massively heavy (yet very clear/defined) sound & screaming harmonics.
Although I don't actually own a Cold Sweat neck yet, it seems to be the favourite metal neck pickup. The only other thing I'd even consider for lead work would be a Miracle Man calibrated set - the pickups in sets will be balanced & work really well together.
As for the middle single coil, I guess it depends on whether you ever use it? If you really want to have something there you can either go for a Trilogy Suite (high output) or something like an Irish Tour (lower output for occasional clean work...)
Enjoy :twisted:
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Miracle Man for the Zakk Wylde pinch harmonics, but they're probably the last pickup.... well okay, the last BKP, to do Satch or Vai. For Satch/Vai, I think a VHII is a good bet, however the Nailbomb may be a good comprimise.
Yea my intentions was to try and decide between a Cold Sweat and a Nailbomb...
Miracle Man bridge, definitely - a fantastic pickup for metal. You get very high output, massively heavy (yet very clear/defined) sound & screaming harmonics.
Although I don't actually own a Cold Sweat neck yet, it seems to be the favourite metal neck pickup. The only other thing I'd even consider for lead work would be a Miracle Man calibrated set - the pickups in sets will be balanced & work really well together.
As for the middle single coil, I guess it depends on whether you ever use it? If you really want to have something there you can either go for a Trilogy Suite (high output) or something like an Irish Tour (lower output for occasional clean work...)
Enjoy
Well as far as the middle pickup when I get some BKs (whatever they may be) I dont think I will use it...
I mean I have heard the CS I think it was doing some great clean stuff that James did :wink:
Anyway I will email Tim and see what he thinks would be best for the neck pickup out of a CS, NB or VH2 :wink:
Thanks again for all of your help,
And I will update you when Tim replies :wink: ,
RorySRV,
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I've not actually played any of the high gain pickups
ummm, unless I'm mistaken that's a Holy Diver in that guitar in your pic? :)
:lol: Yeah, but I don't count that for some reason - I meant the "I play metal and I'm gonna $%&#in' well let you know it" pickups :drink:
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LoL.
Yea Holy Driver doesnt have the same metalish ring to it as Warpig, Nailbomb or Painkiller does it.
But then again neither does Miracle Man and yet that pickup is amazing!!
RorySRV,
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LoL.
Yea Holy Driver doesnt have the same metalish ring to it as Warpig, Nailbomb or Painkiller does it.
But then again neither does Miracle Man and yet that pickup is amazing!!
RorySRV,
Yeah, but the point being that the pickups you mention are styled after metal bands, whereas the Holy Diver is styled for Dio :lol:
It does do metal no problems, although in your case there are pickups better suited :drink:
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Anyway I think I have definately decided on Miracle Man for the bridge.
And I think the neck is between the Nailbomb or Cold Sweat...
Will these pickups sound good in a mahogany bodied s470?
P.P.S Will these pickups be good at replicating Dimebag stuff aswell? Eg Pantera and Damageplan??
Your feedback would really be appreciated
Thanks in advance ,
RorySRV,
These are my final final final questions...yay
Thanks alot everyone, you've been a huge help
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*Bump*
Anyone?
Come on guys these are my last 2 questions...
After you have answered these you will have no more hassle and then i can sit back, relax and bask in your immortal guitar playing power :)
O and then you can condem me to the silent treatment if you so wish :lol:
RorySRV,
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Miracle man should sound great in mahogany. I think it will nail those dimebag squeals quite nicely :)
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Kool.
Do you reckon a CS or maybe a NB will sound good in mahogany aswell?
And do you reckon the MM and CS/NB will nail the overall Dimebag tone?
Thanks again,
RorySRV,
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IMO, NOT trying to be an ass, but Darrell got his tone from a solid state amp which most say was/is cr@p. What I mean to say is, he was a magician;) But that does NOT mean ya can't try.
R.I.P. my friend.
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Yea he was a magician.
But then again I will too be using a solid state.
He did need a half decent guitar with some good pups and i am trying to find those good pups.
But let me rephrase my questions:
1)Do you reckon a CS or maybe a NB will sound good in mahogany aswell?
2) Do you reckon (permitting I play everything to perfection and dimebag style) :wink: that the MM and CS/NB will nail the overall Dimebag tone? :P
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lol
Rory, just scoop some mids on an ANGRY amp and go for it and make the tone YOURS bud!
But, fwiw I reckon mm/cs would be uber cool.
Git ya pull bud ;)
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Cool, well thats what Tim said !!
All my questions are answered!! WooHoo
Now I am free and everyone else is free :)
Thanks everyone, you have been a MASSIVE help :wink:
Now roll on the MM and CS :twisted:
RorySRV,
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And maybe now you'll learn to create your own tones rather than trying to replicate other peoples - more individual, and a helluva lot cheaper :drink:
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Yea Lol.
And easier :)
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And maybe now you'll learn to create your own tones rather than trying to replicate other peoples - more individual, and a helluva lot cheaper :drink:
+1 :lol:
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Ok thanks guys.
Unfortuneately I have just thought of one more question thanks to Broken's thread :P
Its an easy one mind you, I think....
Anyway...What Pots would you recommend for this combo
(Miracle Man -Bridge Cold Sweat - Neck)
Stock Ibanez (although I am not sure what they are) or other?
BTW the Ibee it will be going into is a s470 (H-S-H) (Mahogany Body)
Thanks again everyone,
RorySRV,
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I'd use what was already on the Ibanez.
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if ya wanna change pots then get some CTS pots and do job properly, BKP's deserve it!
www.axerus.co.uk
bout £5 each.
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I was gonna get a tech to do it so it should be done properly...
Which CTS pots will i need if I do decide to change em? :?:
Your kinda talking to a need in the way of electronics here :roll:
RorySRV,
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don't know the guitar so a link to specs would help :)
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Sure 8)
Here you go:
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/s-470/10988
O and btw Dakine do you know what width the bucker slots are?
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Sure 8)
Here you go:
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/s-470/10988
O and btw Dakine do you know what width the bucker slots are?
lol
can ya find a less descript link LOL
I am guessing it just has a vol. and a tone control?
And no idea on pup width bud, don't own that or ever have owned an Ibanez. Dave-Mc will doubtless know as he seems an Ibanez nut.
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RorySRV, by "width" do you mean the polepiece spacing? The actual size of the pickups will just be regular humbucker size, unless it's a 7-string.
Polepiece spacing would be 52mm for bridge, 50mm for neck.
And if you decide to change the pots, get 500Ks to work best with the humbuckers.
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Thanks Dakine, Thanks Filly
I mean how wide is the humbucker.
You know gibsons are 50mm, fenders are usually 52mm etc
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I mean how wide is the humbucker.
You know gibsons are 50mm, fenders are usually 52mm etc
Yep, that's the polepiece spacing.
It'll be 52mm for bridge, 50mm for neck.
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Ok Thanks.
I am I right in assuming the BKs will fit in the Ibee then??
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I'm 100% confident that they'll fit.
If they don't, I'll buy 'em off you. At a hefty discount of course. :wink:
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Of Course :wink:
Ok I say thanks again to everyone that has helped.
You have been a huge help and this should be all the questions i need to ask regarding pickups in the foreseeable future :)
RorySRV,
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What I would do with H-S-H is a Nailbomb set and put an Irish Tour in the middle... hands down... with Miracle Mans you could probably use a Trilogy Suite, but a quieter single coil can clean up when used and work like channel switching (clean when you use the three middle positions, and distorted with the bridge or neck!).
What I'd suggest is getting a push pull pot and wire it so that when it's pulled up, the bridge and neck positions are both the bridge and neck together and when it's pushed down it's normal.
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IMO, NOT trying to be an ass, but Darrell got his tone from a solid state amp which most say was/is cr@p. What I mean to say is, he was a magician;) But that does NOT mean ya can't try.
R.I.P. my friend.
Early on he used Marshalls up until '92 or '93 though.... I did like his tone better than too but he did wonders for a solid state amp.
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What I would do with H-S-H is a Nailbomb set and put an Irish Tour in the middle... hands down... with Miracle Mans you could probably use a Trilogy Suite, but a quieter single coil can clean up when used and work like channel switching (clean when you use the three middle positions, and distorted with the bridge or neck!).
What I'd suggest is getting a push pull pot and wire it so that when it's pulled up, the bridge and neck positions are both the bridge and neck together and when it's pushed down it's normal.
Ok thanks alot.
I will consider all of this when I get the tech to wire it :wink:
I assume you mean a switch so I can combine the neck and bridge pup and kind of turn off the middle pup...
Thanks again,
RorySRV
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IMO, NOT trying to be an ass, but Darrell got his tone from a solid state amp which most say was/is cr@p. What I mean to say is, he was a magician;) But that does NOT mean ya can't try.
R.I.P. my friend.
Early on he used Marshalls up until '92 or '93 though.... I did like his tone better than too but he did wonders for a solid state amp.
Just outta interest,
when did you see/hear Daryll using a Marshall?
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IMO, NOT trying to be an ass, but Darrell got his tone from a solid state amp which most say was/is cr@p. What I mean to say is, he was a magician;) But that does NOT mean ya can't try.
R.I.P. my friend.
Early on he used Marshalls up until '92 or '93 though.... I did like his tone better than too but he did wonders for a solid state amp.
Just outta interest,
when did you see/hear Daryll using a Marshall?
Look for early Dimebag clinics or shows from '91 or earlier and a good part of '92. There are a few clips on youtube of Pantera playing in Russia and h had a wall of Marshalls. He used them on Cowboys from Hell as well with some sort of distortion pedal.
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Hmmm,indeed they are there.That was the 1991 Monsters of Rock show with Metallica and AC/DC (not Pantera's rig perhaps). Maybe some kind of logistical thing, being in Russia and all.
Daryll won a Randall RG100H in a guitar contest (very soon after winning his 'original' ML which he sold and got back later in it's Lightning Bolt/Bill Lawrence state) as a teenager. He used this to record CFH (also I believe, 'Metal Magic','Projects in the Jungle', 'I am the Night' and 'Power Metal') he then used a Randall Century 200 for VDOP but went back to his RG100H for TGST. He then returned to the C200 until Randall designed his Warheads for him.
He did use a Marshall Micro Stack (heavily, 'Dimeafied') on 'Living Through Me (Hells Wraith)' off of TGST. But I know of NO other instance were Daryll used Marshall in any 'personal choice' situation.