Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Players => Topic started by: carlaz on October 08, 2006, 07:40:05 PM
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In the wake of discussion of BetaMonkey drum loops in another part of the forum, I decided to sit down this afternoon, slap up some loops from Drum Werks VII in GarageBand, and crank out some riffs over them. Within a few hours I had the attached clip (suitably tarted up with some Dr. Who effects because, basically, I can't resist doing that! :)).
The guitars are my Crawler-equipt Gibson LP Std, both using the same GB amp sim, with the bridge pickup panned to one side and the neck pickup panned to the other. The bass is my trusty Rick 4001, also using a GB amp sim. No solos, no vocals, just some riffing.
And that's it! It's not really mixed or anything, I just balanced the levels roughly as I recorded. It was really an exercise to see how quickly I could put together the basics of a song (minus lyrics) from scratch, using drum loops. (The answer: not long! :))
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Hey I liked it, loved the bass tone & the songs title suited the vibe :)
With my single coil fetish personally I would have preferred a little more top end to the guitar tone (but thats my problem).
Ad for the Dr Who noises every song needs those, I assume it was a plugin you used for the phased sections (perhals put a very slight abit of phasing on the cymbals ?)
Rob...
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That was cool-nicely done my good man.
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Reminds a bit of the modern U2. The Zoo and Pop stuff.
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It freaks me out that I keep getting compared to modern U2 when I haven't heard any, really! 8) I really only remember the stuff from the 80s as they were hugely trendy when I was in high school. Maybe I need to go listen to some of the modern stuff and see if I do sound like that! :)
Anyway, thanks dudes. :) As for the FX, the drum loops and samples are pretty much dry, I think, though I don't know precisely what pre-processing was put on them as they were originally mixed. That's always the way, with drum loops .... The Dr. Who noises are mostly created by me finding a synth patch in GB, playing a single held note, and copying/pasting that around whilst pouring more FX over it. Poor man's Radiophonic Workshop ..... ;) There's a bit of guitar string-scr@ping with piles of flanger and echo in that middle bit where the riff stops.
The basic guitar tracks have some reverb, but not much else in terms of FX. I used an amp sim preset that I tweaked up for in a (not very careful) effort to reach for an Iommi-style vibe, so, yeah, it's not hugely trebly. ;) I think the guitars should come up a little, though, at the very least; I'm almost tempted to do two more guitar tracks, another one for either side, and see how that sounds! :twisted:
Then, I was listening to some Lacuna Coil and thought I should put in some exotic-sounding female-vocal yodelling before a main male vocal started, but the missus claims she can't sing. ;) Maybe if I use GB's male>female vocal changer plug-in and then pile even more ambient effects on it, no one would immediately realize if I did them myself. ;) I'll have to work on that ....
I realize this clip is not a massive display of guitar wizardry with beautiful handwired valve amps :lol: but I think it's worth showing prospective users that even with very minimal equipment and technical skills, BKPs can still help you take your tone to better places and make decent sounding music.
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Hey dog biscuit, I mean Bonio, no, Bono, that was pretty EDGE'y' stuff ;)
Sorry Carlaz mate, could'nt resist.
Good stuff!
Just wait till ya get to mess with that bouble bass drum madness :twisted:
BTW, I thought it was pretty HAWKWIND (now that's a band alot of our younger viewers will probably never heard of lol, GO Silvermachine :twisted: ).
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BTW, I thought it was pretty HAWKWIND (now that's a band alot of our younger viewers will probably never heard of lol, GO Silvermachine :twisted: ).
You win the biscuit for spotting my omnipresent Hawkwind obsession! ;) I've run into lots of Hawkwind-influenced artists on MySpace, but most are of the floaty ambient electronica variety. Now that's all very well, but I want to hear some roaring guitars with my Dr. Who noises! 8) If I ever figure out how to push my guitar tone truly into Kyussified stoner-doom madness with my limited amp-sim set-up, then I'm there! :twisted:
(I dig Kyuss's cover of "Into the Void", but I always find myself wondering what their take on "Interstellar Overdrive" would have sounded like! :twisted:)
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now go ask Sambo who used to play guitar for Hawkwind back in the day (lets see if he remembers my history lesson for him) LOL.
BTW, saw em few times at Stonehenge, what a BLAST!
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I used an amp sim preset that I tweaked up for in a (not very careful) effort to reach for an Iommi-style vibe, so, yeah, it's not hugely trebly. ;)
Maybe if I use GB's male>female vocal changer plug-in and then pile even more ambient effects on it, no one would immediately realize if I did them myself. ;) I'll have to work on that ....
I realize this clip is not a massive display of guitar wizardry with beautiful handwired valve amps :lol: but I think it's worth showing prospective users that even with very minimal equipment and technical skills, BKPs can still help you take your tone to better places and make decent sounding music.
Hey to me music is about how it feels not technical wizardry (though sometimes thats good too), The last Oldfield release used synthetic vocals, though I think he tried to do too much with them (thats why they sounded mostly cr@p).
As for U2 although they have improved theyre (to me) very much the playthings of the producer (IMHO). Heh a very good friend of mine turned adutioned as a bass player just before they became famous (clayton was considering heading to university). But he decided to turn them down as (in his words not mine) "they couldn't fu**ing play in time then , and still cant now"
As for sambo ask him (and a few others) what make / model that particular guitarist actually plays (to prove price and name isn't everything)
Rob... (have never seen Hawkwind though :( )
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Rob,
ya mean then or now cos it may end in a 'head explosion' if ya mean now, lol.
OMG this can be much too much fun at times!
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Hey to me music is about how it feels not technical wizardry (though sometimes thats good too), The last Oldfield release used synthetic vocals, though I think he tried to do too much with them (thats why they sounded mostly cr@p).
Well, my vocals sound horrible anyway, so making them synthetic probably won't make them much worse -- just horrible in a different way ;)
(I've been working on another song on and off since just after I got my Crawlers at the beginning of the year, and finally stuck the first vocals on it last night. I went to listen again this morning, shrieked in horror, and went scrambling for the reverb and compression knobs. ;) I ought to redub a lot of it, but, hell, it probably wouldn't help much, and it takes so long for me to cut vocals on demos that I'm probably best off tarting up what's there for the moment!)
As for U2 although they have improved theyre (to me) very much the playthings of the producer (IMHO). Heh a very good friend of mine turned adutioned as a bass player just before they became famous (clayton was considering heading to university). But he decided to turn them down as (in his words not mine) "they couldn't fu**ing play in time then , and still cant now"
I'd have taken the job: I can't play either, so I wouldn't feel bad, and I'd be a lot richer now! :)
have never seen Hawkwind though :(
The current lineup is about to tour in the UK! I haven't seen 'em for a while, but I heard some recordings from the Roadburn fest earlier this year and they sounded pretty good, so I got my ticket .:)
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i think i've totally overlooked this humbucker!! it sounds fantastic on all the clips i've listened to.. the tone reminds me of michael jackson records from the 80's for some reason no idea why! but i like it!
nice playing dude great stuff..
Think H/S/S Crawler/Mothers Milk setup for my next strat is in order!
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nice playing dude great stuff..
¡Muchas gracias! 8)
i think i've totally overlooked this humbucker!! it sounds fantastic on all the clips i've listened to.. the tone reminds me of michael jackson records from the 80's for some reason no idea why! but i like it!
First US, now Michael Jackson, the surprise comparisons never stop! :lol: But, yeah, OK tonewise, I see what you mean! Who was that woman that played with Jacko in the late 80s .... Somebody Batten ... Jennifier? Steve Stevens played on some Jackson stuff in the 80s, too, no?
I think the Crawler is a bit overlooked these days; it was less so, perhaps, earlier in BKPs history when there were fewer options and variations. But it's a very strong, very versatile pickup. It's got enough heat to display some metal muscle, and enough vintage vibe to go classic. Splits nicely and has great cleans. And the neck, which it seems to share with the Abraxas, is to die for.
Think H/S/S Crawler/Mothers Milk setup for my next strat is in order!
That's the standard HSS set-up with the Crawler, right? I've often thought the Irish Tour would match well with it, too ....
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BTW, I thought it was pretty HAWKWIND (now that's a band alot of our younger viewers will probably never heard of lol, GO Silvermachine :twisted: ).
I'm 16, and I like Hawkwind.
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I'm 16, and I like Hawkwind.
Good man! Onward flies the bird ....
(Gee, and all this time I thought I was one of the younger Hawkwind fans. I was 16 once ... more than twice, actually! ;))
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Also a fan of hawkwind, well haven't listened to the CD in aaages, but its in my collection, and was a past favourite :)