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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: matteo on October 09, 2006, 09:29:41 PM
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Im having a bit of an arguement with my guitar teacher. im sayin Frusciante is good (on the new peppers album he lets loose!) and my teacher says he cant bend in tune and that he generally sucks!! what with me being a beginner (playing 2 yrs) and my teacher being a seasoned player, im just wonderin if im bein nieve! but i cant see that as he sounds amazing!!
what do you guys reckon :?:
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well your teacher isn't in the chillis is he :!:
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some guys like him, some guys don't. I guess the shredders/metallers/hard rockers aren't as fond of him, while the more alternative guys love him.
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no my teacher isnt in the chillis!! he is wicked tho!!!
there is some fast playin on the new album, its almost shreddin. u got 2 hear it! theres also some nice blusey hendrix style and some wicked effects! the songs arent bad either :P
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He never did much for me. He's good enough to do his job with RHCP. I have never rated RHCP myself anyway.
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I like him - I like his composition (i.e. he writes for the song and not for teenage boys to cream off when he plays) and his chord creativity is really good - but then I like acoustic stuff more than electric and think all shredders suck, so I am well out of the voting pool.
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lol im kinda with elliot...
i like him, not just talking about lead playing but his song-writing is awesome. parts like the verse of Under The Bridge are just awesome to me.
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He's awesome. Who gives a flying $%&# (<< not what I wrote) if he bends in tune? The man has soul.
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Bad guitarist, very good with the ole needle & spoon, tho!
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I like him - I like his composition (i.e. he writes for the song and not for teenage boys to cream off when he plays) and his chord creativity is really good - but then I like acoustic stuff more than electric and think all shredders suck, so I am well out of the voting pool.
Agreed 100%, he can't shred and his techniques sloppy but what he plays is damn effective.
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I was about 15' away at the recent RHCP concert here and I've got to say he's killer. Not really relevant comparing him to shred players :roll: He's got a ton of feel and his rhythm playing is far more interesting than the the root 5th stretch pentatonic cr@p from a lot of players (read: 80's guitar players). And his solos have a ton of feel, they say something. I don't think Hendrix could shred either. :?
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Bad guitarist, very good with the ole needle & spoon, tho!
Not that good Ben, he did set himself on fire cooking up over a gas hob!!
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I think he is great BUT on the new Album, all guitar parts are rip-offs of existing songs or solos. My guess is he has lost inspiration at the moment.
And then I cannot help but be reminded of the poser guy in School of Rock, the one who kicks out Jack Black off his first band ... :twisted:
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He's a very creative guy. Writes some good stuff and plays wirth his heart n' soul.
I saw the Peppers on the TV the other day and all I can say is that it's very sloppy. I really can't see what all the fuss is about.
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I think he's got a style of his own, which is very important if you're writing your own stuff. His playing is quite "relaxed" compared to the machine-like playing of Vai, Gilbert, Satriani etc but I'd rather listen to the RHCP over shredders any day of the week.
I guess I appreciate his style as my playing has similarities. My rhythm stuff is tight yet fluid, but my lead playing usually has the odd dodgy string bend with occasional bum notes and is rarely completely and utterly precise. However, it does have lots of attitude and feel and to me that's much more important than playing it perfectly yet sterile. Your attitude can really show your personality and as my band said to me last night:
"Yep some of your string bends are a bit off, but you have Angus-ness" :D
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Lots of feeling on his playing, kind of laid back, lots of harmonics too. And all those Moogerfoogers.:)
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:D Not a fan but to be fair i dont like RHCP either so..........
What he does prove is you dont have to be a shredder to be rated. Johnny Mhar [ i think thats how you spell it ] was a highly rated guitar player who did nothing for me either but it was about being able to convey his own individuality in his playing that he did so well i think Frusciante is one of those types of players & thats no bad thing.
:D 8)
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i don't think you can dislike him for not being technically good as thats not what he aims to be, he puts all his soul into everything he plays and you can't knock him for that
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If you listen to Blood Sugar Sex Magik the playing is excellent, considering he was only 21 at the time. And he was also only 18 at the time of Mothers Milk. Before the 3 albums he made after rejoining the Chillis he had to basically learn how to play all over again and although it's very good, there's still something lacking compared to his old playing.
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Where's Willo when you need him...
I do like frusciante's playing personally, and seeing them live twice I can vouch he is'nt always tecnically perfect, but 90% of all his solos are improvised. Worst part was Kiedis's singing, but I won't go into that :wink:
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He isn't the player he was but I like the vibe he creates, therefore to me that qualifies him as a good guitarist.
BTW : OK he had a really bad drugs problem as had many of the heros quoted around here. At least Frusciante dug himself out of an incredibly bad situation. Unlike some of the heros, who still cry like girls.
So please dont be a bitch !
Rob...
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'LYNCH: Yeah, throughout history all the greatest bands, guitar players and musicians have been pretty $%&#ed up and wacked out—but it’s good for the music. There’s great advice for the kids—“stay high!” [Laughs] You do make great music, but you burn out a lot quicker too. I think I can do it without them, but I’ve done so many drugs that I think I could go into like a type of THC groove without really thing without actually smoking pot. I can just sort of put myself into that state. It is a balancing act though because I don’t lead a completely healthy lifestyle by any means. I just finished off a half a dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts which are as addictive as any drug'
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i suppose its just a matter of taste? hes definatley different to the usual players you see in guitar mags etc!
4 sure hes got soul tho :harp:
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i suppose its just a matter of taste? hes definatley different to the usual players you see in guitar mags etc!
To me that has to be a good thing, not that I'm a particular fan of the Chillis but it's a change from the usual diet.
Rob...
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well i must say my top three fave guitarists of all time are steve vai, john frusciante and kirk hammet. sure steve vai is technically perfect and hammet just seems to play the right notes but john frusciante isnt about that. john admits hes no steve vai and he said at one point when i was younger i listened to captain beefheart and other standard punk guitarists because to him it made more sense to idolise these people because he had a betetr chance to be like them than the virtuosos. john doesnt aim to be the best guitarist ever, he just wants to make music that means something to him, songs that express what hes feeling and in my opinion he is the master with a clean guitar using minimal effects and basic composition techniques. he has brought a lot of inspiration to young guitarists. he also writes music that is acheviable to re-create and lets face it how many people wish they could play like steve vai the first time they pick up a guitar without practicing, but in order to get as good as vai, youve got to be able to learn from players like frusciante and maybe before that kurt kobain who maybe cant play the cr@p out of the piece of wood they have in their hands but they can teach us alot about music.
im guesing youre teacher is biased on blues players and totally against shred or whatever, but do you see him selling out arenas around the world? i think its a shame that he has undervalued everything that Frusciante has brought to the guitaring world and mayb he should let go of this bias he has developed. my teacher too was exactly the same and even tried to convince me to let go of these roots.
but even shorter and sweeter he was voted 18th in rolling stone magizine for best guitarists of all time, so really that does count for alot.
to sum up my opinion, Frusciante rocks!!
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I put Frusciante even higher on my fav list Mellowhead, but I don't think Rolling Stone counts for much :? They're owned by one of those companies that puts out mags like FHM. Which explains what Fergie was doing on the cover of a recent issue. RS has as much to do with music as bellybutton lint. Sorry just ranting... :lol:
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lmao. well he was also ranked 28th in another magazine i read (ill have a rumage through my room in a sec) and the poll was voted for by other musicians from the popular bands so maybe their opinion counts more than RS. Hendrix was at top, followed by Jimmy Page, Slash, Brian May, Steve Vai then Satch and i think Hammet was after that.
Frusciante is my fave guitarist coz i can play his stuff which is awesom for a good jam with a few mates, you really get into the swing of things. especially with cant stop and Get on top!! where as playing Vai stuff is more of a chore than having fun. not that i can play vais stuff well :(
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OH AND FORGOT TO MENTION, I noticed you have Frank Zappa as youre dp. man he could play! You probably know that Vai was in his band as the "stunt" guitarist, but Frusciante also auditioned for this role later on when he was about 17-18 but instead he decided on RHCP, and his reason for this was because, as i mentioned before, he idolised the standard guitarists and hillel was his hero just like John is ours :)
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I've always been in two minds about his playing. I think he plays really nice parts, but I always think his tone is horrible.
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no m8 his tone is sweet!!! its hard to describe tho coz on the new album evry songs got a different stompbox!! "shes only 18" has a wicked hendrix style solo!
my teachers into satriani and vai. i dont think hes ever even listened to the chilis properly but thats hil loss! :P
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I never really like the guy neither RHCP, they sound boring and they do the same album all over again and again IMHO.
I like many kinds of music but that just register as radio easy music to me...
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In reference to the original question
I dont think it is so much whether JF is a good or bad guitarist
It IS important that you like him, listen to him and maybe feel inspired to play guitar as a result of him
As a 15 year old I was into Queen and KISS big-time
I adored the stuff Brian May did and still do, but it didn't maake me want to pick up a guitar and play as much as Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley did
Now those guys were often called bad guitarists- but they MADE ME WANT TO PLAY
As far as drugs go - a lot of my fave players took drugs, and some took way too many (or abused alcohol). I can't entirely judge whether it helped or hindered their creativity as musicians, but it certainly seems to have stunted a lot of them as human beings - some of those that I have met have been major assholes and the evidence of drink and drugs playing a part in that has been too obvious to overlook.
Even George Lynch used to do way too much coke - I recall that he swapped that habit for a gym habit and working out instead.
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Even George Lynch used to do way too much coke - I recall that he swapped that habit for a gym habit and working out instead.
Plus the steroids. Allegedly. It's only what I've read.
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Drugs don't do shite, look at Led Zeppelin, they all got into heroin (Just before 1980) and their music went down the shiteter! But their older stuff was awesome.
This is what I think.
I really don't like Satriani.
(EXPLANATION: if you want to play fast all the time, with no feeling at all, you need really good technique to redeem yourself. His left hand's fine, but there's no picking, and a lot of it's all horrible tremolo tapping. Petrucci, Morse and Buckethead are my favourite - not just because they are inhuman shred machines, but they are creative, they have superb right hand technique, they can play with real feeling, and they don't try and make their solos sound fast through a jumble of legato passages, they think about what sounds cool and they play it. Rusty Cooley and MAB are just tossers.)
John Frusciante clearly doesn't try to make his solos a stream of fast, showy, brainless shred, but he does what he does amazingly, and he is an integral part of the sound of one of the most popular bands today, so he must be doing something right.
But feel free to disagree. I just really don't like Satch :(
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original style, bet half of you can't play some of the syncopated rhythms on the early stuff that he has to play everynight infront of 50,000 people..
nobody has the right to shoot him down, and no he's not steve vai but who cares..
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:D Satriani does play with feel. He`s also responsible for getting guitar players to make listenable instrumental music, more so than Vai ever was. The Legato technique he uses is his tradmark. In an interview he gave some years back he explained that there were so many great "Picking" guitar players that he decided to develop the Legato technique & move guitar playing forwards [ in that particular vain ]
He doesn`t play fast all the time either, prefering to find a strong melody. As for the claim he doesn`t have strong technique is simply laughable & ridiculous a statement to make.
Fruscianti is a good competant player with a distinctive style all his own. More power to his Elbow !
:D 8)
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yea satch has feeling i mean listen to songs like Cryin', Rubina, Clouds Race Across The Sky, Love Thing, Until We Say Goodbye...
and even if u don't think those songs have feeling he's deffinatly got something..
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i guess evryones got their different tastes. thats the beauty of music! if we all liked the same style it would be pretty boring!! all the guys mentioned on this thread make a pretty good living from playing guitar, so they must be doing it well to have the fanbases they have!
my top 3 (not in order) are slash, satriani, and of course hendrix. steve vai is technically better than all of those, but his melodies just dont do it for me. its just a matter of taste i suppose!
oh, and frusciante rocks :twisted:
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You can't criticise Satriani for playing legato, that would be like slagging off Allan Holdsworth as being technically incompetent. These guys could alternate/sweep/economy pick anything that they wanted to but they choose a different technique. If we're talking right hand technique then we should probably be looking at flamenco guitarists as something to aspire to, they make even the competent rock guitarist look like a complete beginner. Paco de Lucia is so good he makes me cack my pants.
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I realise that Satch must be doing something right to have such a phenomenally huge fanbase, and he's written some pretty darn good songs (Always with You Always with Me is my favourite), but I just find it hard to agree with his with his general soloing style, but hey, he is a fine musician, and i didn't really mean to call his style 'wrong' or 'bad' or such things (no, really, i didn't!), and i apologise to any offended fans... peace? :cry:
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:drink:
It's all friendly banter. By the way good call on Steve Morse, he really is amazing and gets so little credit.
Can I be controversial and say I liked Dave Navarro better in RHCP than Frusciante? :wink: :wink:
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Can I be controversial and say I liked Dave Navarro better in RHCP than Frusciante? :wink: :wink:
Interesting! I think Navarro's terrific * (that last Jane's album Strays was brilliant, and it's criminal it didn't sell a billion copies) but he didn't fit very well in RHCP. I like One Hot Minute, but BloodSugarSexMagik it isn't!
(* except when he's being a tool hosting Rock Star Supernova... )
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:D As has been said noones taken offence at the Satriani statment. It was just a little odd is all ! :D
Not every guitar player is going to float your boat !! Your right as well i think Satch`s songs are very much strong points which was why i pointed out that he`s helped us guitar players to make/write better instrumentals. Again good call on Morse. Very good player. If your into Shred type players have you checked out Andy Timmons ?
:D 8)
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I must say I really rate the chilli guitarist, under the bridge is very hard to play properly! hes good no doubt about it! :D
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I think that John Fustrane is very overatted! He's stolen so much stuff from Hendrix Stevie Ray Vaughn and Prince, especially Hendrix, he's just a clone. As for Satriani I think he's an absolute legend, and a genius. Without him, so many solo guitarists wouldn't even stand a chance of getting a record deal. He proved that Rock Instumental music SELLS! and it sells in millions, no one else before him was doing it like he was. I mean come on! the guitar solo on 'Not of This Earth' is like 20 years ahead of it's time! he's totally re-invented the way people percieve the electric guitar.
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He does nothing for me, I'm afraid.
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His strength are in his chord patterns.
Rarely uses standard chords, and he plays quite nice cleanly.